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	<title>Comments on: This Artist is Good - Frank D&#039;Armata</title>
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		<title>By: JEff</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who colored those pages to make everything look greasy and washed-out and grimy? It completely ruins the drawings.

The artist is okay, but he needs to learn how to portray action rather than merely illustrating a scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who colored those pages to make everything look greasy and washed-out and grimy? It completely ruins the drawings.</p>
<p>The artist is okay, but he needs to learn how to portray action rather than merely illustrating a scene.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Karindu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar Karindu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Palmer, Klaus Janson, Terry Austin, Dick Giordano, Mick Gray, and Bob Layton -- all fantastic inkers.

It&#039;s a pity, to my mind, that digital ink or pencil-shot coloring are eliminating inking almost entirely -- some of these guys, Austin and Palmer, most notably, lend a wonderful illustrative quality to pencils; and Janson and Palmer are among the very best where stylized mood and texture are concerned.

But then, &quot;illustrative&quot; is not a fashionable style in American comics these days -- hyperrealism dominates the superhero genre, while Impressionism and surrealism the autobio/drama indies.  Manga encompasses a wide range of art and story styles and arguably isn&#039;t a genre of comics so much as a national-origin marker or a publishing format, but I&#039;d say that a fine, illustrative line characterizes the foreground figures if you think of the stereotypical &quot;manga look.&quot;  (Of course, coloring doesn&#039;t come into the equation where manga is concerned.)

Oh, another question on coloring -- what&#039;s to be said about photrealist painting, both as a substitute for pencilling and a finish for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Palmer, Klaus Janson, Terry Austin, Dick Giordano, Mick Gray, and Bob Layton -- all fantastic inkers.</p>
<p>It's a pity, to my mind, that digital ink or pencil-shot coloring are eliminating inking almost entirely -- some of these guys, Austin and Palmer, most notably, lend a wonderful illustrative quality to pencils; and Janson and Palmer are among the very best where stylized mood and texture are concerned.</p>
<p>But then, "illustrative" is not a fashionable style in American comics these days -- hyperrealism dominates the superhero genre, while Impressionism and surrealism the autobio/drama indies.  Manga encompasses a wide range of art and story styles and arguably isn't a genre of comics so much as a national-origin marker or a publishing format, but I'd say that a fine, illustrative line characterizes the foreground figures if you think of the stereotypical "manga look."  (Of course, coloring doesn't come into the equation where manga is concerned.)</p>
<p>Oh, another question on coloring -- what's to be said about photrealist painting, both as a substitute for pencilling and a finish for it?</p>
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		<title>By: David Blackshore</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Blackshore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good point, Omar, about flat coloring suiting some artists better than heavily-rendered coloring.  The great thing about the current technology and printing formats is that flat coloring is now one option among many.  Heck, there&#039;s probably some application to the old four-color process beyond using it as a visual shorthand for Silver Age-style comics.

Then again, I&#039;ve said I would trade in computerized coloring if inking were better across the board.  How about a salute to one of the great, unsung inkers in the  industry?  One Tom Palmer is worth fifty Jim Lees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's a good point, Omar, about flat coloring suiting some artists better than heavily-rendered coloring.  The great thing about the current technology and printing formats is that flat coloring is now one option among many.  Heck, there's probably some application to the old four-color process beyond using it as a visual shorthand for Silver Age-style comics.</p>
<p>Then again, I've said I would trade in computerized coloring if inking were better across the board.  How about a salute to one of the great, unsung inkers in the  industry?  One Tom Palmer is worth fifty Jim Lees.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Karindu</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/07/09/this-artist-is-good-frank-darmata/comment-page-1/#comment-2750</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar Karindu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 21:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta say I agree with David Blackshore to the extent that coloring and is now technologically advanced to the point that it can properly fulfill its role as a vital part of the artistic process.  What that generally means to me is that different pencillers or stories need different sorts of colorists.  D&#039;Armata, for example, works quite well with the noirish pseudo-realism of Lark and Epting, but not so much on the exaggerated art of Finch (especially in the Impressionistically colored scene from Dissassembled reproduced here).  

At the same time, there are some artists who do better with the primary/secondary heavy palette of, say Tom Smith, who seems to use a modified flat-color aesthetic rather than an effects-heavy one as does D&#039;Armata.  Similarly, you need a Laura Martin to work on someone like Hitch or Cassaday, where the sensibility is more that of a fantasy/sci-fi CGI blockbuster movie than an action thriller of the sort that Brubaker writes.  But then Martin might rank with Lynn Varley as one of the more flexible colorists working in comics, someone who seems capable of taking on a number of different styles as the project requires.  I don&#039;t see that with D&#039;Armata here; his choices seem to reflect a  particularly cinematic aesthetic.

The best analogy for comics is usually cinema, and I&#039;d say this is no exception.  Coloring does for a comic what the color design component of cinematogrpahy does for a film.  Whatever you think of a film like &lt;I&gt;American Beauty&lt;/I&gt;, its color sense was brilliant.  Likewise, whatever you thought of &lt;I&gt;Van Helsing&lt;/I&gt; I think it must be admitted that the bizarre use of color leaching in so many of its scenes was a serious detriment to what was written as a colorful set piece.  And comics are much the same, I think -- I&#039;ve seen otherwise well-executed stories damaged by terrible coloring decisions and otherwise badly-executed stories enhanced by wonderful color choices.

You&#039;ve also got folks like Steranko and Starlin among the  the realm of &quot;pencillers who color their own work.&quot;  I know that the earliest  examples I&#039;ve seen of things like sepia-toned flashback sequences and high-contrast &quot;fifth ink&quot; effects in American comics were in their work.  Of course, Starlin and Steranko were also among American comics&#039; second generation of self-trained production wonks/&lt;I&gt;auteurs&lt;/I&gt;.  (The first generation&#039;s big names, I&#039;d argue, would be Harvey Kurtzmann and Bernard Kriegstein, but neither of them had the kinds of printing technology or access that Steranko did.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta say I agree with David Blackshore to the extent that coloring and is now technologically advanced to the point that it can properly fulfill its role as a vital part of the artistic process.  What that generally means to me is that different pencillers or stories need different sorts of colorists.  D'Armata, for example, works quite well with the noirish pseudo-realism of Lark and Epting, but not so much on the exaggerated art of Finch (especially in the Impressionistically colored scene from Dissassembled reproduced here).  </p>
<p>At the same time, there are some artists who do better with the primary/secondary heavy palette of, say Tom Smith, who seems to use a modified flat-color aesthetic rather than an effects-heavy one as does D'Armata.  Similarly, you need a Laura Martin to work on someone like Hitch or Cassaday, where the sensibility is more that of a fantasy/sci-fi CGI blockbuster movie than an action thriller of the sort that Brubaker writes.  But then Martin might rank with Lynn Varley as one of the more flexible colorists working in comics, someone who seems capable of taking on a number of different styles as the project requires.  I don't see that with D'Armata here; his choices seem to reflect a  particularly cinematic aesthetic.</p>
<p>The best analogy for comics is usually cinema, and I'd say this is no exception.  Coloring does for a comic what the color design component of cinematogrpahy does for a film.  Whatever you think of a film like <i>American Beauty</i>, its color sense was brilliant.  Likewise, whatever you thought of <i>Van Helsing</i> I think it must be admitted that the bizarre use of color leaching in so many of its scenes was a serious detriment to what was written as a colorful set piece.  And comics are much the same, I think -- I've seen otherwise well-executed stories damaged by terrible coloring decisions and otherwise badly-executed stories enhanced by wonderful color choices.</p>
<p>You've also got folks like Steranko and Starlin among the  the realm of "pencillers who color their own work."  I know that the earliest  examples I've seen of things like sepia-toned flashback sequences and high-contrast "fifth ink" effects in American comics were in their work.  Of course, Starlin and Steranko were also among American comics' second generation of self-trained production wonks/<i>auteurs</i>.  (The first generation's big names, I'd argue, would be Harvey Kurtzmann and Bernard Kriegstein, but neither of them had the kinds of printing technology or access that Steranko did.)</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ewww! Everything looks shiny and photoshopped. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ewww! Everything looks shiny and photoshopped. <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Blackshore</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Blackshore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good point about D&#039;Armata bringing consistency to the art on Captain America.  I still prefer Epting (though Perkins is also very good), but it&#039;s no exaggeration to say that D&#039;Armata is the dominant influence on the art for that title.

I didn&#039;t read Disassembled, but I don&#039;t see any problem with the coloring in the page you excerpted.  D&#039;Armata is simply using stylized (and unrealistic) color as a way to strike mood, which is common in film and fine art.  

Ultimately, that&#039;s the direction coloring is going in comics.  Technological and economic restraints made coloring an afterthought for decades; the most important job for colorists was to get the characters&#039; costumes right.  Even though we&#039;ve had better coloring technology for about 15 years now, it&#039;s just now that we&#039;re seeing colorists taking a more dynamic role in producing art.  I&#039;ve often been annoyed by coloring which seemed to work at cross purposes with the line art, but that&#039;s not the case with D&#039;Armata.  Part of the credit should go towards Epting for treating D&#039;Armata as a collaborator rather than another step on the production assembly line.

It&#039;s telling that more line artists are wanting control over the coloring process as well.  Frazer Irving and Daniel Acuna both color their own work, and I expect more artists will join them.  It just doesn&#039;t make any sense to treat drawing and coloring as two separate steps.  I don&#039;t think they were ever treated as such in Europe, where the better paper quality allowed for more detailed coloring at an earlier stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's a good point about D'Armata bringing consistency to the art on Captain America.  I still prefer Epting (though Perkins is also very good), but it's no exaggeration to say that D'Armata is the dominant influence on the art for that title.</p>
<p>I didn't read Disassembled, but I don't see any problem with the coloring in the page you excerpted.  D'Armata is simply using stylized (and unrealistic) color as a way to strike mood, which is common in film and fine art.  </p>
<p>Ultimately, that's the direction coloring is going in comics.  Technological and economic restraints made coloring an afterthought for decades; the most important job for colorists was to get the characters' costumes right.  Even though we've had better coloring technology for about 15 years now, it's just now that we're seeing colorists taking a more dynamic role in producing art.  I've often been annoyed by coloring which seemed to work at cross purposes with the line art, but that's not the case with D'Armata.  Part of the credit should go towards Epting for treating D'Armata as a collaborator rather than another step on the production assembly line.</p>
<p>It's telling that more line artists are wanting control over the coloring process as well.  Frazer Irving and Daniel Acuna both color their own work, and I expect more artists will join them.  It just doesn't make any sense to treat drawing and coloring as two separate steps.  I don't think they were ever treated as such in Europe, where the better paper quality allowed for more detailed coloring at an earlier stage.</p>
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		<title>By: TeamSmithy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeamSmithy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think he&#039;s talented he&#039;s not really to my tastes andI think he&#039;s horribly unsuited to Lark&#039;s art. The first page here is good but he usually interferes with the line work too much, that might suit the line style of some but it really hurts Lark&#039;s for me. Also theres a massive over indulgence in effects, do Marvel pay per glow or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think he's talented he's not really to my tastes andI think he's horribly unsuited to Lark's art. The first page here is good but he usually interferes with the line work too much, that might suit the line style of some but it really hurts Lark's for me. Also theres a massive over indulgence in effects, do Marvel pay per glow or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Callahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Callahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like the overly-toned computer coloring.  I prefer the classic flat coloring and I think the arwork above would look even cooler with someone working old-school on it.  Just think how great Mazzuchelli&#039;s work looked with flat colors on Batman: Year One and Daredevil: Born Again (I know there were some attempts at three-dimensionality in those works as well, but check out the panels without those attempts--they look damn good).  I think D&#039;Armata is by far the best with the new technology, true, but it still looks gaudy to me.  I looks artificial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't like the overly-toned computer coloring.  I prefer the classic flat coloring and I think the arwork above would look even cooler with someone working old-school on it.  Just think how great Mazzuchelli's work looked with flat colors on Batman: Year One and Daredevil: Born Again (I know there were some attempts at three-dimensionality in those works as well, but check out the panels without those attempts--they look damn good).  I think D'Armata is by far the best with the new technology, true, but it still looks gaudy to me.  I looks artificial.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Jose Villarubia&#039;s work. I just think that (perhaps due to his work on Promethea), that Villarubia isn&#039;t exactly lacking in the vocal admirers category to the same extent that I think D&#039;Armata is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Jose Villarubia's work. I just think that (perhaps due to his work on Promethea), that Villarubia isn't exactly lacking in the vocal admirers category to the same extent that I think D'Armata is.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hensel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hensel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that Jose Villarubia is an amazing colorist, there&#039;s no reason to dismiss D&#039;Armata, mostly because of his versatility. The Captain America work has a strong emphasis on character, separating and spotlighting Nick Fury&#039;s face from the muted starry background, but the background is still a beautiful sea. The other Captain work shows a strong emphasis on character, spotlighting Captain America&#039;s face and masking jsut as much as the starry conversation, but the setting is a ruined castle in mid day.

In Daredevil, the shadows blend more together with the figures, lending everything a muted feel, because the setting is almost always subdued or depressed. I felt the first couple issues did have an overlay of gloss on them, and made Lark&#039;s work look indistinctive compared to Epting&#039;s because of the coloring, but he&#039;s gotten much better at setting as Daredevil has progressed.

The thing about D&#039;Armata is he has an authorial vision. Anyone&#039;s pencils under D&#039;Armata look similar to the other D&#039;Armata work, a rare achievement to a colorist, hence the esteem. He does amazing work at capturing settingm but still focusing on character. 

Villarubia as the best colorist? Maybe, but he&#039;s much more psychadelic and, dare I say, artistic, to do straight up superhero work like D&#039;Armata&#039;s work in New Avengers or Captain America. They hit two different styles, and while Villarubia may be the better colorist, D&#039;Armata is no slouch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that Jose Villarubia is an amazing colorist, there's no reason to dismiss D'Armata, mostly because of his versatility. The Captain America work has a strong emphasis on character, separating and spotlighting Nick Fury's face from the muted starry background, but the background is still a beautiful sea. The other Captain work shows a strong emphasis on character, spotlighting Captain America's face and masking jsut as much as the starry conversation, but the setting is a ruined castle in mid day.</p>
<p>In Daredevil, the shadows blend more together with the figures, lending everything a muted feel, because the setting is almost always subdued or depressed. I felt the first couple issues did have an overlay of gloss on them, and made Lark's work look indistinctive compared to Epting's because of the coloring, but he's gotten much better at setting as Daredevil has progressed.</p>
<p>The thing about D'Armata is he has an authorial vision. Anyone's pencils under D'Armata look similar to the other D'Armata work, a rare achievement to a colorist, hence the esteem. He does amazing work at capturing settingm but still focusing on character. </p>
<p>Villarubia as the best colorist? Maybe, but he's much more psychadelic and, dare I say, artistic, to do straight up superhero work like D'Armata's work in New Avengers or Captain America. They hit two different styles, and while Villarubia may be the better colorist, D'Armata is no slouch.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 22:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by that, I mean, Jose, of course. I can&#039;t type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by that, I mean, Jose, of course. I can't type.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, you might be onto something with the pirate stuff, but I&#039;ve never seen the guy as a great colorist... his New Avengers stuff just makes the art feel even muddier, and those X-Men pages suffer from having light reflecting off everyone and everything. The DD stuff ain&#039;t too bad, I guess...

My choice for primo colorist? Probably... Joe Villarrubia. Off the top of my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, you might be onto something with the pirate stuff, but I've never seen the guy as a great colorist... his New Avengers stuff just makes the art feel even muddier, and those X-Men pages suffer from having light reflecting off everyone and everything. The DD stuff ain't too bad, I guess...</p>
<p>My choice for primo colorist? Probably... Joe Villarrubia. Off the top of my head.</p>
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