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Snark Free Corner for 7/10
Welcome to the latest installment of your breath of snark free air!
Enjoy!
ODD COMIC BOOK EVENTS
Have you ever seen another example of a comic book having three volumes (not counting series of mini-series), over the course of almost two decades, and EACH new volume was written by the same writer?
Because that's what's happened with Chris Claremont and Excalibur.
1988

2004

2005

Odd, huh?
If someone else can point out another example of this, I'd give her/him two cool points! But you won't find it! As it's just tooo odd!
I LIKED KILLER QUILT
Okay, I don't necessarily like Killer Quilt, but I like the IDEA of Killer Quilt.
Remember when a villain like Killer Quilt was played like a serious threat?
I like that.
I think that takes a certain amount of impressive brashness to say, "Yeah, the guy wears a costume that is essentially a multi-colored jumpsuit, but we're playing him as SERIOUS!"
I admire that.
I think Grant Morrison could still pull Crazy-Quilt off.
Who else could, do you think?
And I mean the same way as he was! No drastic revamp!!!
COVER HOMAGE
One cool point to the first person to identify what comic book cover this is a homage of!

REALLY COOL SCENE
Suicide Squad as a whole was a cool series, and as a result, it had a LOT of "cool scenes" (even for a cool series, it had a disproportionately large amount of "cool scenes").
One of the ones that jumps out to me, whenever I think of the series was the following, which happened during 1988, in issue #18.
First, here is the awesome cover of the issue before it, when Cold first joins up with the team.
Here is the cool cover...

That's the issue where the "Jihad" is formed, which was a group of villains from various countries that want revenge against America. The next issue, #18, is where the Squad faces off against them.
Now recall, this is well before Geoff Johns made Captain Cold cool in the pages of the Flash.
At the time, I thought, "He doesn't NEED to be 'made' cool, because Ostrander did it already a dozen years later!"
Cold is doing just one stint for the team, probably at the recommendation of Squad mainstay (and "friend" of Cold), Captian Boomerang. Just one stint and he gets paroled. This was something the Squad did more frequently in the first couple of years - use notable villains for short stints (like using Penguin early on for his planning abilities).
So Cold finds himself matched up against a fire-themed villain, and all Cold is thinking is just getting through this alive. Heck, he figures he might be able to cut a deal with the guy. However, that wasn't happening. Cold says, "Uh...hi, guy. Listen, you speak English? Howja like to make a deal?"
The response?
"Yes. No." And then he sets Cold's parka on fire.
Cold runs off for a bit, as the villain laughs at how easy this is going to be, but this just gets Cold into it, "You want a fight with me, schmuck? You got it!" and a blast sends the other guy flying.
Now the fight is pitched, leading to Cold to say the utterly cool line while ducking a blast of fire, "Wanta play rough, pally? Okay! But I gotta tell ya somethin'! Hate is cold! Hell is cold!"
And then, as he steps up to blast the guy - "And sucker, I am Captain Cold." He then proceeds to encase the guy in ice, probably killing him (we don't know for sure).
Ostrander sure knew cool.
There is another Squad scene that I will revisit sometime in the future!
SNARK FREE CHALLENGE
Who would win in a game of chess, Lois Lane or Clark Kent?
Well, that's it for this installment of Snark Free Corner. Hope you had fun!
- Posted on July 10, 2006 @ 03:07 PM






28 Comments
Greg Burgas
July 10, 2006 at 3:24 pm
You cheated, though, by skipping the Excalibur mini-series written by Ben Raab. I know you said that you were going to skip it, but it's still cheating!
David
July 10, 2006 at 3:46 pm
That was one of my favorite all-time issues of SUICIDE SQUAD. Another cool scene had Duchess (secretly Lashina) beating the hell out that one guy with his own tail! Manticore or something?
I remember reading the Capt. Cold scene mentioned above aloud to my dad. It was my barometer of cool (no pun intended).
Tim Callahan
July 10, 2006 at 4:16 pm
Invisibles was three volumes, of course, but I guess you're counting the final volume as a mini-series (even though it's not--it would have been a maxi-series--I miss that good old DC maxi-series logo).
Plus, it's really nothing like Excalibur, because it didn't go from actually good to totally irrelevant to almost irrelevant (but with more punching) in the three progressive volumes--oh wait, Snark Free--sorry, I didn't mean any of that. Excalibur is totally great.
I thought the original Jihad was the first group of baddies from Suicide Sqaud #1--am I totally mis-remembering that. Who were those guys, then?
Lois and Clark would never have time to play chess, but if they did, Clark would win every game. He's effin Superman.
Brian Cronin
July 10, 2006 at 4:25 pm
That was the original Jihad. They reformed in #17, with (almost all) new members.
Greg Geren
July 10, 2006 at 4:35 pm
Hey Brian-
Howabout BATMAN AND THE OUTSIDERS debuting in 1983 by Mike W. Barr & Jim Aparo, THE OUTSIDERS v1 launched in 1985 by the same team, and THE OUTSIDERS v2 launched in 1993 by Barr & Paul Pelletier? That's 3 series in 10 years, even though they didn't have the same title, they were essentially the same group - minus the caped micro-manager.
I could see it either way. Good question though!
T.
July 10, 2006 at 4:49 pm
There's so much affection for Suicide Squad, I wish they'd collect the whole run.
Bry Kotyk
July 10, 2006 at 4:52 pm
Usagi Yojimbo. Has had three separate volumes thus far (started with #1 for each publisher - Fantagraphics, Mirage, and Dark Horse), all by Stan Sakai.
Omar Karindu
July 10, 2006 at 4:53 pm
Tomb of Dracula -- The first three volumes were almost entirely by Wolfman and Colan, though the first didn't technically launch with Wolfman so much as Wolfman simply made the series his own. But Colan drew all of ToD I, the launch issue of II, and all of III (which was, admittedly, a miniseries).
Omar Karindu
July 10, 2006 at 4:59 pm
Ah! How could I forget? Mike W. Barr started on Batman and the Outsiders, stayed through its relaunch as The Outsiders, and then wrote the mid-90s Outsiders relaunch too!
Omar Karindu
July 10, 2006 at 5:04 pm
Oh, and the Impulse cover homages Detective Comics #345, the first appearance of the original Blockbuster.
Omar Karindu
July 10, 2006 at 5:04 pm
D;oh! Didn't see that Greg had Outsider already.
moose n squirrel
July 10, 2006 at 6:34 pm
"There’s so much affection for Suicide Squad, I wish they’d collect the whole run."
There's craploads of incredible material DC has never bothered to collect. Where's my collected run of the Ostrander/Mandrake Spectre? Where's my Giffen-era JLA?
Jordan D. White
July 10, 2006 at 7:44 pm
Lois vs. Clark at chess?
"Silver Age" style answer: Lois cheats. Clark (using his Superman powers) notices that she's cheated, but allows her to win anyway, since he can't reveal that he has powers. Then, he sets up an elaborate plan to "teach her a lesson", likely involving actual kings and queens (or possibly robots, or aliens, or hyponotism... or, heck why not, all of the above). In the end, she realizes that what she did was wrong, and confesses to cheating.
Jer
July 10, 2006 at 7:53 pm
"I think Grant Morrison could still pull Crazy-Quilt off. Who else could, do you think? And I mean the same way as he was! No drastic revamp!!!"
I don't think that anyone, even Morrison, could pull of writing Crazy Quilt "seriously". And I don't think I'd want to see the results of an attempt. However, I could see a couple of folks playing him straight rather than as a joke. Morrison could pull it off, and I think Gail Simone could do it too (look how she managed to play Catman straight and make him almost as cool as Deadshot -- that's an accomplishment right there). Oh, and after the Suicide Squad lovefest, I'd like to think that Ostrander could too -- he managed to play Catpain Boomerang straight with excellent results. I'd be a bit afraid of the results from anyone else, though, since I'd think they might side too much with nostalgic portrayals (and it would turn out goofy instead of fun) or with "serious" portrayals (which are painful to read, at least for me).
Playing Crazy Quilt seriously would be as disastrous as trying to play, oh, I don't know, Doctor Light seriously. Playing characters like this straight, however, and not letting the characters in the story treat them as jokes is how these characters worked in the first place (you think they were LESS dippy 40 or 50 years ago than they are now?)
Ken Robinson
July 10, 2006 at 8:47 pm
This isn't quite what you're looking for with your Excalibur challenge, Brian, but it's similar enough to point out anyway: Mark Waid was involved in all three reboots of the Legion of Superheroes - editor during the partial reboot that happened early in the Giffen/Bierbaum run, co-writer of the post-Zero Hour reboot and writer of the current take.
Marshall Maresca
July 10, 2006 at 8:59 pm
One thing though: with Legion and Outsiders, each volume was working with the same basic concept. With the three Excaliburs, you have three radically different books, despite the same name and writer.
John Seavey
July 11, 2006 at 5:38 am
Lois would lose at chess, because she doesn't have the patience for the game. She's a pretty gung-ho gal.
But you better believe she kicks Clark's sorry but at Tekken IV, even with his super-reflexes. He's all like, "Dangit, I can't get this move off!" and she's all like, "Quit whining, super-beeyotch!"
Law Dog
July 11, 2006 at 6:51 am
Seems like LSH kept on relaunching, but I cannot be sure.
Derek Rogers
July 11, 2006 at 8:40 am
Impulse #62 is an homage to Uncanny X-Men #141 "Days of Future Past", right?
Jeff R.
July 11, 2006 at 8:52 am
Grendel comes close. (war Child is a mini, but the series itself was structured as a series of miniseries anyhow.)
Strangers in Paradise as well, although the first volume is apparently technically a mini.
A Distant Soil, Maybe? Elfquest, probably...lots of series, and Richard Pini did at least some writing in pretty much each one.
But yes, Chris Clairmont is the Bob Newhard/Bill Cosby of comics...
Andrew Hickey
July 11, 2006 at 11:26 am
Groo
Dwayne "the canoe guy"
July 11, 2006 at 2:22 pm
In the Superman Returns version of the Lois/Clark chess match.
Lois wins by using the dreaded "Dot" gambit.
When she is losing, she stands up, yells "DOT GAMBIT!" and slams her indestructable head onto the board, thus ending the games and declaring herself the winner.
Please note, this comment IS snark free. I can't begin to tell you how much I hated the movie.
DubipR
July 11, 2006 at 4:53 pm
"Tomb of Dracula — The first three volumes were almost entirely by Wolfman and Colan, though the first didn’t technically launch with Wolfman so much as Wolfman simply made the series his own. But Colan drew all of ToD I, the launch issue of II, and all of III (which was, admittedly, a miniseries)."
Right. Gerry Conway wrote the first 3 issues of the first Tomb of Dracula run, followed by Archie Goodwin and then Marv on issue 7...
Nice try though, Brownie Point for thinking out of the box
Omar Karindu
July 11, 2006 at 9:08 pm
Mmmm...brownies....
The Eyeball Kid
July 13, 2006 at 10:56 am
The angle is wrong, but the 'Impulse' cover sort of homage-es the first issue of Mad.
"It's Melvin!"
dancinhomer
August 21, 2006 at 2:07 pm
The cover makes reference to an old Batman ish.... the first appearance of Blockbuster. Robin is imploring Batman not to fight him because he is too tough, and Batman takes off his mask and says "He's too tough for Batman.... but not too tough for Bruce Wayne!"
civil war chess set
October 16, 2006 at 11:30 pm
things are different since the last time i've been here, nice work. i'll have to stop by more often.
Brian Cronin
October 16, 2006 at 11:41 pm
I allowed this piece of spam, if only because it is pretty darn funny to see spam for CHESS SETS!