We three declare the Avengers disbanded for all time!
I’ve often thought it funny that Earth’s Mightiest Heroes can fight wars in space, defeat interdimensional warlords, and so on, but feel the need to pack it all in every time someone says somthing bad about them on TV.

(and yes, these guys are Skrulls, but the real Avengers do it all the time too)

When does this get resolved, Avengers-philes?
As I recall, it was to do with the 40′s Human Torch retcon (later retcon-conned by Busiek, and retcon-con-conned by Johns). Although one could be generous to Bendis and say that Pym saw lots of little Ultrons curled up asleep in the Vision’s innards. Why he’d fail to tell anyone is another question.

Hey look! A footnote! And it explains something that happened a long time before but that Marvel readers in 1971-72 might not know. Isn’t that handy? Why don’t they have those anymore?
Offcially because readers are going to be more confused by the explanation of an obscure plot point than they are if it’s left unexplained. This is Marvel Logic.

More people need to talk like Thor. Nobody swears by the girth of Volstagg anymore.
I suspect Thor won’t when he returns, as it’s not cool or modern enough. He’ll probably be a stammering Bendisian imbecile like the rest of the Avengers.

If it was Busiek and it was “Dutch,” I could believe it…
Does Busiek hate the Dutch? Why?

Wonder if I could still send in for a No-Prize on that?

But hey, even a musical dunce like me knows Joe Cocker, man. That counts for something.

I’m really amazed everyone actually left this for me to answer. No, it wasn’t her first appearance; close to it though. She had been seen previously in the earliest Mar-Vell stories in Marvel Super Heroes, when he was still in the green-and-white outfit, which puts it at least a year or so earlier. That much I knew… the rest, I cheated and looked up. First appearance was Marvel Super-Heroes #13.

Honestly, though, I am not that good. Check out the Classic Comics forum on CBR and you’ll see guys that have really got some serious nerd game.

I hadn’t realized until now that I had read this arc at the time but how powerfully some of the panels you chose to show are burned in my repitilian-base-of-the-brain deep memory.

Good to know about Captain Midnight. That actually makes a good deal of sense, since Cap was growing up in the 1930s.

And I would say part of being “politically correct” is to actually point out the faults of the United States even if you still think it’s a great country. Those who don’t like political correctness are always bitching that people dare to bring up Jefferson owning slaves, for instance. I just thought it was interesting that Roy Thomas brought the subject up in the 1970s, because for a long time, everyone wanted to sweep in under the rug. So it was pretty cool to see Fury say it.

-Having recently read this storyline in Marvel Essentials, I was kind of disappointed by it after having heard about it for years. It really wasn’t all that hot. However, having read all of those issues (plus the preceding near 100), I’ve got to say, the praise being heaped upon the Neal Adams’ artwork here (“Is Neal Adams the first great modern comic book artist?”) should probably probably go to John Buscema. I was pretty indifferent to him before seeing his artwork in b&w, which really stresses how great he was, and it’s dating back at least a year and a half prior to this arc. And the common element between his art and Adams is Tom Palmer on inks, who I think made the artwork truly great for both men. Which isn’t to take away from Adams.

- Joe Cocker would’ve been pretty well known, hip even, at the time, because of his performance in the Woodstock concert film, which was released in 1970.

The Skrulls are focus-marketing their species at a target demographic of twelve-to-thirty year-old males.

Is it really just “politically correct” to note that concentration camps are still bad even if they’re run by Americans? That just seems obvious to me. It seems the contemporary function of the label “politically correct” is to simply dismiss obvious truths with a few weasel words.

someone got to the captan midnight comment before me.. however, if anyone heard the steve sommers show on WFAN in the early 90′s you heard the opening every night.

I am a huge avengers fan.. and I love seeing stuff like this…

thanks
dmf