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Snark Free Corner for 8/28

Welcome to the latest installment of your breath of snark free air!

Enjoy!

COOL COMIC THINGS

Remember when the Avengers weren’t icons? Remember that? It was a long time ago, but for a time, it DID exist, and it was pretty cool. Where the Avengers icon status comes into play is with their interactions with each other. Since they have been so ingrained in our mind, when their interactions do not go a certain way, it seems off to us. To wit, the soap operatic moments of Chuck Austen’s Avengers – the Avengers suddenly, out of nowhere, began treating each other like they didn’t know each other for years. It was weird.

However, early on, that same treatment was interesting – because we DIDN’T know these characters and they DIDN’T know each other really well.

So remember how we would have Hawkeye questioning Captain America’s leadership?

Hawkeye (then Hercules) fawning over Scarlet Witch, who was, in turn, fawning over Captain America.

Quicksilver being mad at everyone and trying to protect his sister (okay, this part has stayed the same, at least…hehe).

Captain America trying to get SHIELD to hire him (which was one of the odder plotlines of the Silver Age – Captain America sitting by the phone, just waiting for SHIELD to call him and ask him to join them).

I’m not saying we SHOULD recreate these moments in present comics today…I’m just saying that they were really cool while we had them.

COVER HOMAGE

On cool point to the first person who can tell me which cover this Amazing Spider-Man cover is homaging!

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SNARK FREE CHALLENGE

Who would win a breakdancing contest – Tim Drake or Dick Grayson?

SNARK FREE COVER THEME GAME

Here’s the game. I show three covers. They all have something in common, whether it be a character, locale, creator, SOMEthing. And it isn’t something obvious like “They all have prices!” “They all have logos!” “They all feature a man!” etc.

One cool point to the person who first guesses correctly!

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WHO IS IT?

Name who it is, and what number clue gave it away!

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4. This character uses an identity that has been used by other characters.
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5. This character drew comics for Marvel Comics.

Who is it?

Well, that’s it for this installment of Snark Free Corner.

Hope you had fun!

34 Comments

The Amazing cover is likely an homage to Tales of Suspense 39, the first appearence of Iron Man (Iron Man theme week?).

Dick Grayson would win the breakdancing challenge hands down, Tim’s a boarding school kid who didn’t get out much. Well that and it being a pretty old fad, Tim might think himself too cool for that.

And I’m going with Captain America for the last challenge there, based on number 5, I have no clue who the Redeemers are.

My guess for the character would be Nighthawk. There have been multiple Kyle Richmond’s so I think that counts. Plus, it’s a generic super hero name, so it shouldn’t be too crazy an idea.

As a guess, I’d say that all three of those cover’s include a first appearnce of some sort. Let’s say, Punisher, the Beetle….and, uh….Louie Lang, Lois’s kid sidekick.

Yea, that’s the ticket.

Covers: is it the blank backgrounds? Spidey’s got a building behind him in the second one, but that’s what’s in the scope, not the actual scene.

The covers all have some sort of bizarre perspective thing going. Lois is ripping out the invisible background. The Punisher’s aiming at Spidey, but he’s standing in front of him. And the Ditko Spidey’s swinging up from the ground.

I enjoy “snark free corner,” but I stora wish that the cover-homages were followed up on in the next instalment so that once the homage is revealed we can see the two side by side.

And I’m going with Captain America for the last challenge there, based on number 5, I have no clue who the Redeemers are.

Right around Thunderbolts #50, our wannabe-heroes finally got the pardon they were after, as long as they disbanded (and Hawkeye went to jail–yeah, that was Gyrich’s idea). The government took custody of the Burton Canyon mountain base the T-Bolts had been living in, and used it as the headquarters for their Redeemers project, where former and potential villains (and others) could work off their debts to society. Jolt and Charcoal were on the team, as well as Atlas’s kid brother, some woman wearing the Beetle armor, a semi-sentient bit of solid sound, Techno, and a couple others. Then Graviton killed most of them.

The important thing to note is that Cap was indeed briefly affilitaed with said Redeemers, so it looks like JR wins.

And I agree – follow up on these homages. Or are you taking the Marvel Editorial stance that the internet replaces footnotes?

I thought the Redeemers were the team of ex-villains Nighthawk led against the Squadron Supereme?

they were. The name gets around.

Tim Drake would, although he was a boarding school kid, he did manage to learn how to skateboard in Dixon and Woods run and learnt pretty quickly might I add.
During his time there he also skipped a lot of class making him the bad boy on campus.

+ Tim’s first appearance was in 1989, the very same year De La Soul’s 3 feet high and rising came out…that was a weak point I admit, but number of hip hop albums in Dick Graysons period? a big fat 0

As far as musical tastes go, i’ve only read the one where Drake admitted to not liking the Talking Heads’ Burning down the house, which wasn’t very cool on his part because they awesome.

Dick named dropped Janis Joplin in a 1960’s or 70’s redo of detective comics 27.

oops forgot to finish that thought- Tim Drake would win the breakdancing contest on the ground that he would feel less awkward doing such a thing than Dick would, because he came from another era.

Now if it were a contest involving wooing women (or men), the outcome would be much different.

Tim Drake would win. How on earth can you even debate this Brian, it’s not even a good question. Why? Simple….can anyone here…anyone…name the last time Dick Grayson won ANY conflict against a respected entity? Everyone knows that unless it’s a nameless henchmen or a loser tailor-made for Dick, Dick Grayson always loses. Seriously, can anyone name the last time Dick beat anyone impressive at ANYthing? Now if Dick was breakdancing against a nameless henchman or that loser from his book with knives duct-taped to his body, he might win. Maybe.

I don’t have a problem with showing the original covers – I’d just have to find a spot for it. Maybe as a separate entry? Sorta like the Urban Legends Revealed history?

The three covers do all have two images of a hero on the cover- Spidey has the corner boxes, Supes is in the “exposed” page.

How on earth can you even debate this Brian, it’s not even a good question.

What if it was just a plan to allow you to do one of your patented “Dick Grayson never beats anyone” bits?

Wow, Mary Jane’s haircut is homelesstastic. Someone buy that girl a comb!

I can’t believe I forgot to point that out, myself!!! I totally meant to, too! It is SUCH an awful haircut!

I would assume that Dick would win because Tim would have too much dignity to go all out break dancing crazy.

I think a simple “Last Week’s cover homage was…” segment in the following SFC would work…

All three covers have the number 12 on them. The Superman and Second Spider-Man both cost twelve cents and the first Spider-Man cover is number 129 or “12”9

All of the covers also feature a superhero as a guest star, in these cases Superman, the Punisher, and the Human Torch. They also each feature the names of all those guest star characters written out in little side boxes (is there an official name of them?), and not as part of the cover’s logo. Heck those little boxes also help summarize the plot!!

And Dick Grayson wins because there has to be some way he could use his circus background for any kind of dancing.

Oh, and all three of the guest characters are to the left of the cover. Forgot to mention that.

The only problem is that the Punisher isn’t a guest star in that appearance. It’s his debut, and he appears as a villain (who eventually switches to Spidey’s side, if I remember correctly).

Brian – Then it would be awesome.

Yeah, Frenz used to draw an AWFUL Mary Jane in the 80s.

I don’t have any good guesses for the three covers (until I saw the Spidey one I was going to guess that each cover had a multi-plane point of view) but I just gotta comment: look at the gorgeous coloring on the cover of Spider-Man #21.

Sublimely beautiful and beautifully sublime. Keep your Alec Ross and your Gregs Horn and Land; this is the kind of painted art that I love.

Whoops, was that kinda snarky for snark-free corner?

And I reject your two bat-dance choices. Only Vibe can win such a contest.

The cover homage seems to be to Amazing Spider-Man #38, the last Steve Ditko issue, which usede the same “side insets” bit. Of course, the reason it did that is because Steve had quit the book without drawing the cover, so Stan and Sol Brodsky had to use other art and inside panels to “create” a Ditko cover instead.

I’m going to guess “Wacky love triangles” for the three comics.

FunkyGreenJerusalem

August 31, 2006 at 2:20 am

I’d say the connection with the covers is the framing devices.

Lois Lane has action going on behind the ripped out panel (so it’s action with-in the action).
The Punisher has Spiderman in his sights (so it’s action with-in the action).
The Beetle is peering around a wall to an unaware Spidey and Human Torch fighting (so it’s action with-in the action).

cover theme game:

since this was the first one, how bout all three of these issues feature famous firsts.

Can’t be famous firsts– the Beetle’s first appearance was in a Human Torch story; Spidey and the Human Torch had teamed up previously (and more than once) in Spidey’s own title.

But I have no clue myself what the connecting factor is.

This is a random interpretation …

Frank Castle is not the first Punisher, there was a Galactus robot…

Johnny Storm is not the first Human Torch, there was an android…

Lois Lane was not the first “Superman’s Girlfriend”, that was Lana Lang.

Philip Trostler

March 13, 2007 at 8:25 pm

Beetle, Lois Lane, and Punisher have all been African-American.

When Superman was “killed”, he was replaced by several different faux-Supermen.

When Punisher was “killed”, he was replaced by several different faux-Punishers. I know “Suicide Run” isn’t well regarded, but there’s some stuff in there I love.

And now there’s a bunch of Beetles running around, though I don’t think he’s dead.

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