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		<title>By: Black Gate &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Crawling in the Wreckage: Grant Morrison&#8217;s Doom Patrol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Gate &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Crawling in the Wreckage: Grant Morrison&#8217;s Doom Patrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 06:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to him, and I think you can see them in the book. There’s a fine overview of the series here (with many spoilers), arguing that the book’s about the conflict of creativity and mundanity. I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to him, and I think you can see them in the book. There’s a fine overview of the series here (with many spoilers), arguing that the book’s about the conflict of creativity and mundanity. I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Drunken Fist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drunken Fist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 09:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coincidentally, I just finished re-reading the entire Morrison DP run. I wouldn&#039;t rank it as the best ever personally, but it&#039;s not too far down on the list. It&#039;s easily one of my favorite runs of all time. My one major gripe with the run is the whole space story; it&#039;s the one spot in the run where parts of the book began to feel tedious. Every couple of years when I dust off these issues and give &#039;em a re-read, I always go into that portion hoping for some new insight or something that&#039;ll make it more enjoyable, but it never happens. Still, that&#039;s one brief rough patch in an overwhelmingly wonderful run of issues, so that&#039;s a minor gripe indeed. The ending  is one of the most moving moments I&#039;ve seen in anything, print, film, or otherwise. I&#039;ve dabbled in some of the DP stuff since then, but as far as I&#039;m concerned, that&#039;s where it ended. nothing that has been done since has been anywhere near good enough to justify marring that wonderful, bittersweet finale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coincidentally, I just finished re-reading the entire Morrison DP run. I wouldn&#8217;t rank it as the best ever personally, but it&#8217;s not too far down on the list. It&#8217;s easily one of my favorite runs of all time. My one major gripe with the run is the whole space story; it&#8217;s the one spot in the run where parts of the book began to feel tedious. Every couple of years when I dust off these issues and give &#8216;em a re-read, I always go into that portion hoping for some new insight or something that&#8217;ll make it more enjoyable, but it never happens. Still, that&#8217;s one brief rough patch in an overwhelmingly wonderful run of issues, so that&#8217;s a minor gripe indeed. The ending  is one of the most moving moments I&#8217;ve seen in anything, print, film, or otherwise. I&#8217;ve dabbled in some of the DP stuff since then, but as far as I&#8217;m concerned, that&#8217;s where it ended. nothing that has been done since has been anywhere near good enough to justify marring that wonderful, bittersweet finale.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, are you implying that there is such a thing as good horse weiners? Such sophistication...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, are you implying that there is such a thing as good horse weiners? Such sophistication&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dwitefry</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwitefry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never noticed that - when Jane speaks to Robotman she says &#039;Love means nothing at all&#039; &#039;life means nothign at all&#039;, they&#039;re lines from the Jam song Liza Radley  &#039;she kissed my cheek and said love means nothing at all / she kissed my cheek and said life means nothing at all&#039;. I doubt this is coincidence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never noticed that &#8211; when Jane speaks to Robotman she says &#8216;Love means nothing at all&#8217; &#8216;life means nothign at all&#8217;, they&#8217;re lines from the Jam song Liza Radley  &#8216;she kissed my cheek and said love means nothing at all / she kissed my cheek and said life means nothing at all&#8217;. I doubt this is coincidence!</p>
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		<title>By: Tanzim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanzim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article, Greg. Doom Patrol changed my view of comics and the world in general, and its nice to see that a lot of others shared the experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, Greg. Doom Patrol changed my view of comics and the world in general, and its nice to see that a lot of others shared the experience.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very interesting article.
I actually wrote a college term paper on Crazy Jane for an Abnormal Psychology class back in 1990, but this article has much more depth. :)
As a side note, I think I was one of the first people in the class to do a term paper on a comic book character.

I still remember reading the Doom Patrol, from issue #1 to sometime around issue #75, when I finally stopped reading because the new author wasn&#039;t as weird as Morrison. 

I got the chance to meet Richard Case at a comic book convention and managed to get him to sign a large number of Doom Patrol issues. I even asked him about why he wasn&#039;t doing the covers any more, since Simon Bisley took over on issue #25 (which is also the first storyline with the Brotherhood of Dada). The only answer I got was that it was an &quot;editorial decision&quot;, though I&#039;m sure he was being polite. Does anyone know the full story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting article.<br />
I actually wrote a college term paper on Crazy Jane for an Abnormal Psychology class back in 1990, but this article has much more depth. <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
As a side note, I think I was one of the first people in the class to do a term paper on a comic book character.</p>
<p>I still remember reading the Doom Patrol, from issue #1 to sometime around issue #75, when I finally stopped reading because the new author wasn&#8217;t as weird as Morrison. </p>
<p>I got the chance to meet Richard Case at a comic book convention and managed to get him to sign a large number of Doom Patrol issues. I even asked him about why he wasn&#8217;t doing the covers any more, since Simon Bisley took over on issue #25 (which is also the first storyline with the Brotherhood of Dada). The only answer I got was that it was an &#8220;editorial decision&#8221;, though I&#8217;m sure he was being polite. Does anyone know the full story?</p>
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		<title>By: wwk5d</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwk5d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doom Patrol was ok. I liked the Cliff/Jane stuff, it was some great work for both characters and great character arcs. They were a good couple.

But for much of the rest...overly pretentious, if you ask me. That&#039;s one issue I have with Morrison (and Alan Moore)...there are times where I feel that they are more interested in showing off how fabulously intelligent and literary they are, as opposed to telling a good story. And if you don&#039;t &#039;get it&#039;...you&#039;re some uncultured philistine.

And I did keep track of sales; before JLA, Morrison was something of a cult writer. Nothing he did up till that point really set the world on fire, sales wise, though he did have a great critical reputation. Ah well, to each their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doom Patrol was ok. I liked the Cliff/Jane stuff, it was some great work for both characters and great character arcs. They were a good couple.</p>
<p>But for much of the rest&#8230;overly pretentious, if you ask me. That&#8217;s one issue I have with Morrison (and Alan Moore)&#8230;there are times where I feel that they are more interested in showing off how fabulously intelligent and literary they are, as opposed to telling a good story. And if you don&#8217;t &#8216;get it&#8217;&#8230;you&#8217;re some uncultured philistine.</p>
<p>And I did keep track of sales; before JLA, Morrison was something of a cult writer. Nothing he did up till that point really set the world on fire, sales wise, though he did have a great critical reputation. Ah well, to each their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Comics Should Be Good! &#187; Comics You Should Own - Flex Mentallo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comics Should Be Good! &#187; Comics You Should Own - Flex Mentallo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 05:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If Doom Patrol is the greatest long-form story in comics history (as I&#8217;ve argued), then Flex MentalloÂ can make a claim as the best four-issue mini-series ever published.Â  I wouldn&#8217;t go quite that far, but it&#8217;s in the discussion.Â  In this trippy comic, Morrison took all the ideas he usually plays with and distilled them into a short, punchy, cosmic, goofy, sad, and astonishing story that can be seen in two contradictory ways, both of which are equally valid.Â  This series might be the apotheosis of a theme he began toying with in Animal Man (the glory of Silver Age comics and the wonder of Multiple Universes) and can&#8217;t seem to put down now.Â  One reason why his post-Flex work is not as great as this and what came before is that he keeps returning to the same well.Â  You&#8217;ll notice I skipped The Filth for a reason - Morrison says quite a bit in that seriesÂ that&#8217;s the same in Flex Mentallo, and he does it better in this book.Â  Just because he continues to delve into these ideas doesn&#8217;t invalidate the amazing work he does here, before it became a bit stale. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If Doom Patrol is the greatest long-form story in comics history (as I&#8217;ve argued), then Flex MentalloÂ can make a claim as the best four-issue mini-series ever published.Â  I wouldn&#8217;t go quite that far, but it&#8217;s in the discussion.Â  In this trippy comic, Morrison took all the ideas he usually plays with and distilled them into a short, punchy, cosmic, goofy, sad, and astonishing story that can be seen in two contradictory ways, both of which are equally valid.Â  This series might be the apotheosis of a theme he began toying with in Animal Man (the glory of Silver Age comics and the wonder of Multiple Universes) and can&#8217;t seem to put down now.Â  One reason why his post-Flex work is not as great as this and what came before is that he keeps returning to the same well.Â  You&#8217;ll notice I skipped The Filth for a reason &#8211; Morrison says quite a bit in that seriesÂ that&#8217;s the same in Flex Mentallo, and he does it better in this book.Â  Just because he continues to delve into these ideas doesn&#8217;t invalidate the amazing work he does here, before it became a bit stale. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Comics Should Be Good! &#187; The thrill of the hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comics Should Be Good! &#187; The thrill of the hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 21:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When I went off to college I found the Comic Swap in downtown State College.Â  There was another store in Calder Alley (Denny O&#8217;Neil had a signing there when Legends of the Dark Knight #1 came out, and I, being the iconoclast, got him to sign an old issue of the Moench/Sienkiewicz Moon Knight, which he edited), where all the nicer stores were, but the Comic Swap was the place I usually went to - they had better back issues.Â  I found almost the entire run of Morrison&#8217;s Doom Patrol there, which was nice.Â  It was typical of a lot of comic book stores from the olden days - they had a lot of used books of the science fiction/fantasy variety, and they also had magazines.Â  I guess it&#8217;s still around, but I wonder if they&#8217;ve moved completely to comics. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When I went off to college I found the Comic Swap in downtown State College.Â  There was another store in Calder Alley (Denny O&#8217;Neil had a signing there when Legends of the Dark Knight #1 came out, and I, being the iconoclast, got him to sign an old issue of the Moench/Sienkiewicz Moon Knight, which he edited), where all the nicer stores were, but the Comic Swap was the place I usually went to &#8211; they had better back issues.Â  I found almost the entire run of Morrison&#8217;s Doom Patrol there, which was nice.Â  It was typical of a lot of comic book stores from the olden days &#8211; they had a lot of used books of the science fiction/fantasy variety, and they also had magazines.Â  I guess it&#8217;s still around, but I wonder if they&#8217;ve moved completely to comics. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Comics Should Be Good! &#187; Comics You Should Own Archive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comics Should Be Good! &#187; Comics You Should Own Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doom Patrol #19-63 by Grant Morrison and (mostly) Richard Case. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Doom Patrol #19-63 by Grant Morrison and (mostly) Richard Case. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: R. Kevin Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Kevin Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved Morrison&#039;s run on Doom Patrol and very much enjoyed reading your recap of the series.

My point of pride regarding Doom Patrol - and it is a dubious one - is that a letter I sent to DC regarding the first &quot;mature readers&quot; issue of DP which was published in the letters pages was (according to a couple of sources) the first time the word &quot;fuck&quot; was used in a DC comic.  

Anyhow, I loved Mr. Nobody and have always wanted to see more of him.  Alas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved Morrison&#8217;s run on Doom Patrol and very much enjoyed reading your recap of the series.</p>
<p>My point of pride regarding Doom Patrol &#8211; and it is a dubious one &#8211; is that a letter I sent to DC regarding the first &#8220;mature readers&#8221; issue of DP which was published in the letters pages was (according to a couple of sources) the first time the word &#8220;fuck&#8221; was used in a DC comic.  </p>
<p>Anyhow, I loved Mr. Nobody and have always wanted to see more of him.  Alas.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morrison&#039;s Doom Patrol sucked. While it wasn&#039;t as lousy as the versions immediately preceding it or following it, it still sucked rhino wangs. It smacked of the writing you&#039;d get from a disaffected teenager who just discovered Camus and Dada and Zen Buddhism and wanted to show off his shallow, shallow understanding to his classmates by dropping references here and there. Sucked bad horse wiener!

Gimme the original Doom Patrol any day of the week. There&#039;s more smart writing in one issue of &quot;My Greatest Adventure&quot; than in the entirety of Morrison&#039;s output. Same goes for Alan &quot;Please Be Impressed That I&#039;ve Read a Few Books That Didn&#039;t Have Illustrations&quot; Moore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morrison&#8217;s Doom Patrol sucked. While it wasn&#8217;t as lousy as the versions immediately preceding it or following it, it still sucked rhino wangs. It smacked of the writing you&#8217;d get from a disaffected teenager who just discovered Camus and Dada and Zen Buddhism and wanted to show off his shallow, shallow understanding to his classmates by dropping references here and there. Sucked bad horse wiener!</p>
<p>Gimme the original Doom Patrol any day of the week. There&#8217;s more smart writing in one issue of &#8220;My Greatest Adventure&#8221; than in the entirety of Morrison&#8217;s output. Same goes for Alan &#8220;Please Be Impressed That I&#8217;ve Read a Few Books That Didn&#8217;t Have Illustrations&#8221; Moore.</p>
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		<title>By: John Morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between Animal Man and Doom Patrol, and the JLA, Morrison was writing Zenith, a superhero series for the UK&#039;s 2000AD comic, and was also repsonsible along with Mark Millar for a large number of new strips for 2000AD to. 
Now, all of Zenith I would really like to see collected.
In addition to his US stuff,  his UK stuff (all pre-JLA) such as Dan Dare, and the New Adventures of Hitler from Crisis comic are also well worth hunting down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between Animal Man and Doom Patrol, and the JLA, Morrison was writing Zenith, a superhero series for the UK&#8217;s 2000AD comic, and was also repsonsible along with Mark Millar for a large number of new strips for 2000AD to.<br />
Now, all of Zenith I would really like to see collected.<br />
In addition to his US stuff,  his UK stuff (all pre-JLA) such as Dan Dare, and the New Adventures of Hitler from Crisis comic are also well worth hunting down.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Karindu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar Karindu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Case also turned up inking Mike Wieringo on the previous volume of &lt;I&gt;Sensational Spider-Man&lt;/I&gt;, and subbed in some suitably Wieringo-clone pencils on at least one issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Case also turned up inking Mike Wieringo on the previous volume of <i>Sensational Spider-Man</i>, and subbed in some suitably Wieringo-clone pencils on at least one issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Burgas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Burgas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Case did the end of Shade, and a series about Native Americans, but that was ten years ago.  I don&#039;t know what he&#039;s been up to recently.

Yeah, the Bisley covers are cool.  And I think they STILL stand out, because not only are they bizarre, they often reflect what happens in the book.  Imagine that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Case did the end of Shade, and a series about Native Americans, but that was ten years ago.  I don&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s been up to recently.</p>
<p>Yeah, the Bisley covers are cool.  And I think they STILL stand out, because not only are they bizarre, they often reflect what happens in the book.  Imagine that!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Gimlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Gimlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is Richard Case doing these days, anyway?  I don&#039;t recall seeing him on anything after he left Doom Patrol shortly after Morrison. 

Unlike some of the posters, I think Case&#039;s art was wonderful, and perfect for the series.  I believe that people don&#039;t like it; but it had honestly never occured to me that people might mark the series down because of it.

Oh, and the covers by Bisley are worthy of note, as long as we&#039;re on the subject of art.  They may not stand out as much now, after 15 years or so.  But they were utterly unique back then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is Richard Case doing these days, anyway?  I don&#8217;t recall seeing him on anything after he left Doom Patrol shortly after Morrison. </p>
<p>Unlike some of the posters, I think Case&#8217;s art was wonderful, and perfect for the series.  I believe that people don&#8217;t like it; but it had honestly never occured to me that people might mark the series down because of it.</p>
<p>Oh, and the covers by Bisley are worthy of note, as long as we&#8217;re on the subject of art.  They may not stand out as much now, after 15 years or so.  But they were utterly unique back then.</p>
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		<title>By: Apodaca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apodaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Case&#039;s stuff is a really big point against this run, in my opinion. I read it fairly recently (except for the end, because I can&#039;t find it anywhere!) and it was just painful. There were times I couldn&#039;t follow what was supposed to be happening, the people are angular and clunky, and it just really turned me off. I had to read it through a few times to be able to focus on what was happening, and not the way it looked. And very scratchy throughout the entire run, really.

Frankly, I would say that the art is the only thing keeping this run from being in the top tier of history. Danny the Street could&#039;ve been so much more fun and characterized, if he had been in the hands of someone more capable, for example. It&#039;s no wonder that Morrison has a say in what artists he works with nowadays, after the art on DP and Animal Man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Case&#8217;s stuff is a really big point against this run, in my opinion. I read it fairly recently (except for the end, because I can&#8217;t find it anywhere!) and it was just painful. There were times I couldn&#8217;t follow what was supposed to be happening, the people are angular and clunky, and it just really turned me off. I had to read it through a few times to be able to focus on what was happening, and not the way it looked. And very scratchy throughout the entire run, really.</p>
<p>Frankly, I would say that the art is the only thing keeping this run from being in the top tier of history. Danny the Street could&#8217;ve been so much more fun and characterized, if he had been in the hands of someone more capable, for example. It&#8217;s no wonder that Morrison has a say in what artists he works with nowadays, after the art on DP and Animal Man.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Burgas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Burgas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, obviously I disagree with you, but I&#039;d like to rebut, if I may.  I certainly think your contention that this never got out of the idea stage is incorrect, because unlike some of his other work (Invisibles comes to mind, but you could make the same claim about X-Men), I think he fully realizes what he wants to do, and even if you don&#039;t, the real reason I like this run so much is, as I pointed out, because it&#039;s the most human of his work.  I can&#039;t think of a series where all the &quot;ideas&quot; played out to their fullest, even Alan Moore&#039;s best work, but in Doom Patrol, the characters were so well done that I don&#039;t mind the occasional place where the ideas fall apart (and I agree that the space story is where the run is weakest, even though I still enjoy it).

As for the fact that Morrison didn&#039;t become a superstar until JLA - well, maybe.  I know nothing about the sales figures on Animal Man and Doom Patrol, but I do know that those titles (DP more than Animal Man, as he had left the title long before) were at the vanguard of Vertigo, and without Morrison, Preacher and Transmetropolitan might not have existed.  He doesn&#039;t get enough credit for Vertigo - most of it goes to Moore for Swamp Thing and Gaiman for Sandman, but Milligan and Morrison on Shade and Doom Patrol have as much to do with it as those two gentlemen.  I also doubt DC would have allowed him to go nuts on JLA without knowing that he would be able to take the sensibilities of Animal Man and Doom Patrol and transfer them to their flagship book.  He proved that he could take a moribund franchise and make it special, and that had to be a reason for him getting the JLA gig.

Your opinion may vary, of course.  I hope you like my next selection - much less important in the history of comics, but loads of fun!  Any guesses to what it is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, obviously I disagree with you, but I&#8217;d like to rebut, if I may.  I certainly think your contention that this never got out of the idea stage is incorrect, because unlike some of his other work (Invisibles comes to mind, but you could make the same claim about X-Men), I think he fully realizes what he wants to do, and even if you don&#8217;t, the real reason I like this run so much is, as I pointed out, because it&#8217;s the most human of his work.  I can&#8217;t think of a series where all the &#8220;ideas&#8221; played out to their fullest, even Alan Moore&#8217;s best work, but in Doom Patrol, the characters were so well done that I don&#8217;t mind the occasional place where the ideas fall apart (and I agree that the space story is where the run is weakest, even though I still enjoy it).</p>
<p>As for the fact that Morrison didn&#8217;t become a superstar until JLA &#8211; well, maybe.  I know nothing about the sales figures on Animal Man and Doom Patrol, but I do know that those titles (DP more than Animal Man, as he had left the title long before) were at the vanguard of Vertigo, and without Morrison, Preacher and Transmetropolitan might not have existed.  He doesn&#8217;t get enough credit for Vertigo &#8211; most of it goes to Moore for Swamp Thing and Gaiman for Sandman, but Milligan and Morrison on Shade and Doom Patrol have as much to do with it as those two gentlemen.  I also doubt DC would have allowed him to go nuts on JLA without knowing that he would be able to take the sensibilities of Animal Man and Doom Patrol and transfer them to their flagship book.  He proved that he could take a moribund franchise and make it special, and that had to be a reason for him getting the JLA gig.</p>
<p>Your opinion may vary, of course.  I hope you like my next selection &#8211; much less important in the history of comics, but loads of fun!  Any guesses to what it is?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Raining</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Raining</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reread these all very recently, and I have to say that there are major flaws to this body of work.  Yes, there are some fun moments, but on the whole the series is maddeningly inconsistent.  Some stories, particularly the &quot;Rhea in space&quot; storyline, are abstract to the point of incomprihensiblity.  While there is some great work here (the Brain/Mallah issue and the last one jump to mind), on the whole the series leaves me frustrated.  I think Grant had too much free reign; a lot of the material here never got out of the &quot;great idea&quot; stage to become something really substantial and worthwhile. I certainly don&#039;t think it&#039;s the &quot;greatest run of a comic book in history&quot;; nor do I think it Morrison&#039;s best work.  In fact, your description of Invisibles (interesting but vacous) is one I would find appropriate here.

Two more points I&#039;d like to make: part of my disenchantment with Doom Patrol falls on Richard Case, whose work I find nothing short of atrocious.  I was always shocked and amazed that more people didn&#039;t express that sentiment. To each his own, I guess. And I think, Greg, that you make a mistake that people often do in assessing Grant Morrisson&#039;s career.  After Animal Man and DP, it was not until JLA several years later that he again made a real impact on the comics community.  His Vertigo work (primarily Invisibles) was never a big seller and failed to make the impact things like Sandman, Preacher, and Transmet did.  And for quite a while, this was all he was really doing (illness had quite a bit to do with that). Hard as it is to believe now, but DC really took quite a chance in turning JLA over to him.  And it&#039;s that book that turned him into the Superstar he is today.  After all, Aztek would run for more than ten issues if it were publisched today, don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reread these all very recently, and I have to say that there are major flaws to this body of work.  Yes, there are some fun moments, but on the whole the series is maddeningly inconsistent.  Some stories, particularly the &#8220;Rhea in space&#8221; storyline, are abstract to the point of incomprihensiblity.  While there is some great work here (the Brain/Mallah issue and the last one jump to mind), on the whole the series leaves me frustrated.  I think Grant had too much free reign; a lot of the material here never got out of the &#8220;great idea&#8221; stage to become something really substantial and worthwhile. I certainly don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the &#8220;greatest run of a comic book in history&#8221;; nor do I think it Morrison&#8217;s best work.  In fact, your description of Invisibles (interesting but vacous) is one I would find appropriate here.</p>
<p>Two more points I&#8217;d like to make: part of my disenchantment with Doom Patrol falls on Richard Case, whose work I find nothing short of atrocious.  I was always shocked and amazed that more people didn&#8217;t express that sentiment. To each his own, I guess. And I think, Greg, that you make a mistake that people often do in assessing Grant Morrisson&#8217;s career.  After Animal Man and DP, it was not until JLA several years later that he again made a real impact on the comics community.  His Vertigo work (primarily Invisibles) was never a big seller and failed to make the impact things like Sandman, Preacher, and Transmet did.  And for quite a while, this was all he was really doing (illness had quite a bit to do with that). Hard as it is to believe now, but DC really took quite a chance in turning JLA over to him.  And it&#8217;s that book that turned him into the Superstar he is today.  After all, Aztek would run for more than ten issues if it were publisched today, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: David  Norman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David  Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good stuff, Greg; thoughtful and insightful, it makes me want to read the whole series again right now. Thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good stuff, Greg; thoughtful and insightful, it makes me want to read the whole series again right now. Thanks for sharing.</p>
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