Because this whole storyline is gonna clusterfrick the whole Marvel universe for good.

They'll never be able to make an ending that makes it so Iron Man isn't a nazi dick anymore, or Reed Richards isn't Stretch Mengele.

If they do an ending that puts everything back all happy, it'll be a stupid Wizard Did It ending that cheapens Marvel even more than I thought possible.

The only good way to end it is to implode the whole 616 universe and cancel it. Make the Ultimate universe the main one from now on.

Please, do not call it "Clor." "Clor" is the name of a pretty decent band.

Some people are addicted to cigarettes. They know the cigs are killing them, but they can't stop buying the damn things.

I took a big puff on Civil War #4.

I have to make it to Civil War #7, but I can't believe one of my favorite characters, Reed Richards, is acting so cold and manipulative that he would casually brush off the loving letter his wife wrote with, "Their gaining numbers." Um. Reed. One of those numbers is YOUR WIFE.
It's a ridiculous protrayal of the loving husband and father I have come to love since the...um...late seventies.

When did fun loving fashion designer Janet Van Dyne, the winsome Wasp, turn so cold and cruel? I can't believe she would idly stand by while Tony beat the crap out of Steve.

It's one thing to have your friends, people with whom you've loved, turn against the law, but their compasion is completely gone.

I think Iron Man has been kinder to Whiplash than he has been to Captain America.

Civil War is an intriguing concept, but Mark Millar is using a hatchet and not a scapel on the Marvel Universe.

Show Reed in anguish over his actions. Show the Wasp shed a tear for her friend Bill Foster. Show someone have some remorse for attacking their friends.

If you go to a party and a friend lights up a joint, you don't jump on him, wrestle him to the ground, tie him up and call 911. The world doesn't work that way. Some of the hereos on the Pro-Reg side should not want to be involved in the torture and capture of their life-long friends. Is Ben the only one that's bowing out? And didn't he already? Why's he hanging out beating up children(Young Avengers) when he decided NOT to take a side?

Where are the ex-New Warriors? Vance, Rage, Angel?
I'd love to see some of them take Iron-Man's side out of sheer guilt of watching their friends die on television.
It would have made a much more gripping story than the one we're getting.

I'm with this till the bitter end, but it's killing me a little inside.

I didn't think it came out of the blue. Batman almost was driven to kill Alex Luthor (in a moment I agree was out of character for him seeing that he was holding a gun... something Bats hates more than anything in the world) due to the death of Superboy (although we now know it was supposed to be Nightwing - an event that would make much more sense in pushing batman to almost kill). Batman seemed to realize that perhaps Wonder Woman wasn't as callous in her decision to kill Lord after all, since he was almost driven to do the same in a less dire situation (ie: Luthor was already defeated). As for Superman, he was shown the error of his attitude by the E-2 Superman and realized he needed to be a little more open to understanding why Diana did what she did. Diana, on the other hand, tried to show (when she stopped Batman from killed Alex L.) that she realizes that the extreme measure of her decision was possibially the inncorrect one, and that she needed to pay a penace for it (thus what happens to her giving up being Wonder Woman and the legal things that happen in upcoming issues of 52). All three had their eyes "opened" a little (Supes by the E-2 Superman, Diana by the E-2 Wonder Woman, Batman by the situation and his rage) and that all contributed with the knowledge that the Crisis was seriously helped along due to their own attitudes was a huge part in their healing the rift between the three of them.

It's not perfect.. and I had some serious problems with Infinite Crisis, but that part I was ok with.

- Rocket

Wow. Very nice thought. I, myself, have really been wondering about Reed Richards' seemingly fanatical change of character in this... but I found it very 'neat' how quickly everything cane about after Stamford. I think that line of thinking is a good one there. There is obviously someone behind this that we do not know about (see the Wolverine storyline right now)... why not that sort of thing?

- Rocket

Didn’t he declare war at the end of Son of M?

Yes, but it is currently more of a Cold War thing.

I loved Civil War #4. Not only was it the first thing I read out of the stack, it was entirely worth the wait. We knew there was no way that was the real Thor who showed up at the end of 3, so why is a clone so bad? Clone, robot, shape-shifter... it was going to be something, so does it really matter which? No, of course not. It's still exactly the kind of thing Stark would do: Thor disappears, he'd have some contingency plan in place to replace him. I have more of a problem with Cable wandering off than with the clone of Thor...

Why stop at just one?!

I was underwhelmed.

A LOT of set-up, and the second story wasn’t that interesting to me.

The art was nice."

Aw. If the art was cool at least it's HALF good, right? I was really pretty psyched about this; Poor Krypto's never had his own book.

but what if that's exactly the point that CIVIL WAR is trying to make? should we still choose to not talk about world politics when discussing a comic book that (all evidence seems to indicate) is being written precisely to question mainstream politics?

if by that you mean he has working class communist extra-american leanings and projects his politics on to the widely american superhero comic books that he writes, well then, yeah.

and FYI, i personally lean towards the left myself, but here in the philippines, that's pretty much more than half the population.

I also don't really see how Thor being a friend would have any bearing on their decision. As scientists, Reed and Tony understand that an organism created from the DNA of another only shares very cosmetic similarities. If one is inclined to theological arguments (and we are talking about a god, here), "Clor" would have the physical characteristics of Thor, but not his soul. I don't think they'd consider it a violation of their friendship to create a being that, while genetically similar to their dead friend, would really be a very separate person.

In general, though, Millar has definately demonized the pro-reg side. And what was up with the Clor shutdown code? I love his music, but many people consider Wagner to be just a few steps from being a Nazi himself. It makes sense in the context of Wagner's music, but not in a grander cultural sense. That just seemed like a gratuitous throw-in that may inadvertently serve to demonize the pro-regs.

I was underwhelmed.

A LOT of set-up, and the second story wasn't that interesting to me.

However, I understand that the Krypto writer is under a lot of constraints for the first issue (a lot of info needed to be dumped), so I have hope for future issues.

The art was nice.

The people (Me again) want to know:

How was Krypto # 1?

Thanks for reminding me! This is becomin a long, drawn-out storyline, now even more so, with the, "Oh, we can't finish the story on time, so we'll pump out more oneshots to pad the story!"

Sure there was. Knock him out.

Max made the threat that, "If you knock me out, I'll someday wake up and take control again," but that doesn't actually mean that it's not a viable solution. Knock him out, sedate him heavily, and then use the window of time that gives you to find a more permanent solution (which could involve stripping Max of his metahuman abilities, surgically or genetically, or undoing the control effect itself--the Martian Manhunter didn't say it was undoable, he said it would take a long time, and that under the circumstances, that was time they didn't have.) Wonder Woman had tons of options, but to put it bluntly, she panicked and killed a man.

Then again, Batman had a paranoid-psychotic break and killed tens of thousands of people (through Brother Eye), so I don't really see how he can sit in judgement on WW.

Just one thought, regarding the cloning of Thor: I don't think it necessarily speaks ill of Reed and Tony's intelligence that it's not working out as planned. I would imagine that cloning a god is a great deal more complicated than cloning a human, at least as far as controlling the experiment. The idea of a brainwashed Thor clone still seems a bit goofy to me, but as always I'll wait until the story's done before I pass judgment.

However, if this all leads to the return of Ben Reilly somehow, the whole storyline will get a big fat A+ in my books.