Comments on: What will I do without them to tease? http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:37:53 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: yo go re http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/comment-page-1/#comment-11378 yo go re Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:09:33 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/#comment-11378 "The lamest thing about this statement is that it is essentially picking on others to make you look good." You're darn right I am. Well, picking on others. Not trying to make myself look good. And when I'm following "who are they going to get on Ultimate Power" smarm, I feel perfectly reasonable. Has anyone at Marvel (or DC, or any other [reputable] company, for that matter) really been working the copyrighted photos? "The lamest thing about this statement is that it is essentially picking on others to make you look good."

You're darn right I am. Well, picking on others. Not trying to make myself look good. And when I'm following "who are they going to get on Ultimate Power" smarm, I feel perfectly reasonable.

Has anyone at Marvel (or DC, or any other [reputable] company, for that matter) really been working the copyrighted photos?

]]> By: moose n squirrel http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/comment-page-1/#comment-11259 moose n squirrel Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:45:02 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/#comment-11259 There's a fine line between homage and rip-off, true, but in their eagerness to point and laugh at the rip-offs, quite a few people stretched the definition of "swipe" to include stuff that wasn't even an homage - just two pictures that had characters in vaguely similar, but still pretty distinct, compositions. Rich Johnston, who hasn't posted anything interesting or original in his column for months, is the number one violator here. I notice he's taking responsibility for this, incidentally, with his usual modesty - because we'd never have known about the use of photo reference in comic book art without Rich's in-depth investigative journalism. There's a fine line between homage and rip-off, true, but in their eagerness to point and laugh at the rip-offs, quite a few people stretched the definition of "swipe" to include stuff that wasn't even an homage - just two pictures that had characters in vaguely similar, but still pretty distinct, compositions. Rich Johnston, who hasn't posted anything interesting or original in his column for months, is the number one violator here. I notice he's taking responsibility for this, incidentally, with his usual modesty - because we'd never have known about the use of photo reference in comic book art without Rich's in-depth investigative journalism.

]]> By: Apodaca http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/comment-page-1/#comment-11257 Apodaca Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:23:53 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/#comment-11257 In the church of Cronin, this is where we say "HalleBOOYAH!" In the church of Cronin, this is where we say "HalleBOOYAH!"

]]> By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/comment-page-1/#comment-11252 Brian Cronin Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:43:20 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/#comment-11252 <blockquote>Well, since I’m more interested in the issue at hand than picking on someone to make myself look good, let’s discuss the CW Oswald moment.</blockquote> The lamest thing about this statement is that it is essentially picking on others to make you look good.

Well, since I’m more interested in the issue at hand than picking on someone to make myself look good, let’s discuss the CW Oswald moment.

The lamest thing about this statement is that it is essentially picking on others to make you look good.

]]> By: JR http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/comment-page-1/#comment-11238 JR Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:23:45 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/#comment-11238 The letter is shown in today's Lying in the Gutters column as well, and it's a legal issue rather than a moral one (do coporations ever act on a moral basis when they don't have to? Other than for publicity?). So really all the more infamous practitioners of this need to do is either a) stick to stuff that's either owned by Marvel or in public domain or b) invest in a digital camera and take your own photos to work from. What I would be interested in hearing is just what sparked the letter now instead of back during the King of Spain incident. The letter is shown in today's Lying in the Gutters column as well, and it's a legal issue rather than a moral one (do coporations ever act on a moral basis when they don't have to? Other than for publicity?). So really all the more infamous practitioners of this need to do is either a) stick to stuff that's either owned by Marvel or in public domain or b) invest in a digital camera and take your own photos to work from.

What I would be interested in hearing is just what sparked the letter now instead of back during the King of Spain incident.

]]> By: Apodaca http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/comment-page-1/#comment-11227 Apodaca Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:37:49 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/#comment-11227 "Well, since I’m more interested in the issue at hand than picking on someone to make myself look good, let’s discuss the CW Oswald moment." Huh? I don't understand how making fun of swipe artists makes any of US look good. As far as I know, none of us are professional comic artists, and nobody's said anything that would draw attention to them. It's hard enough to guess what's going on in somebody else's mind in normal life, and even harder online. You're better off not even trying. Let them speak their own minds. "Well, since I’m more interested in the issue at hand than picking on someone to make myself look good, let’s discuss the CW Oswald moment."

Huh? I don't understand how making fun of swipe artists makes any of US look good. As far as I know, none of us are professional comic artists, and nobody's said anything that would draw attention to them.

It's hard enough to guess what's going on in somebody else's mind in normal life, and even harder online. You're better off not even trying. Let them speak their own minds.

]]> By: yo go re http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/comment-page-1/#comment-11221 yo go re Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:31:05 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/#comment-11221 Well, since I'm more interested in the issue at hand than picking on someone to make myself look good, let's discuss the CW Oswald moment. I think it's clear, in that case, that they were specifically trying to capture the feeling of those particular events - they wanted the absolute Oswald moment, not some random staging of it. That's the kind of swipe (man, I miss the old "Swipe of the Week" site) I can appreciate, because they're not trying to hide their influences. They didn't buy some obscure book of photos and pick the person on page 3 to stand in for Speedball. I think, if you're doing it on purpose, with the expectation that your audience will immediately recognize the source, then it's fine. The "Magneto as King of Spain" thing is similar, but a bit murkier, because the official portrait of a foreign leader is going to have less resonance with the average person than something like Oswald. Hell, how many people (not working in a government building) would recognize the official portrait of even our own leaders? Other than that one of Kennedy, perhaps. But still, if the above-board intent is there, I can support it... Well, since I'm more interested in the issue at hand than picking on someone to make myself look good, let's discuss the CW Oswald moment.

I think it's clear, in that case, that they were specifically trying to capture the feeling of those particular events - they wanted the absolute Oswald moment, not some random staging of it. That's the kind of swipe (man, I miss the old "Swipe of the Week" site) I can appreciate, because they're not trying to hide their influences. They didn't buy some obscure book of photos and pick the person on page 3 to stand in for Speedball. I think, if you're doing it on purpose, with the expectation that your audience will immediately recognize the source, then it's fine.

The "Magneto as King of Spain" thing is similar, but a bit murkier, because the official portrait of a foreign leader is going to have less resonance with the average person than something like Oswald. Hell, how many people (not working in a government building) would recognize the official portrait of even our own leaders? Other than that one of Kennedy, perhaps. But still, if the above-board intent is there, I can support it...

]]> By: Bully http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/comment-page-1/#comment-11216 Bully Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:58:36 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/#comment-11216 Yeah, I remember the days when only the <I>inker</I> could be called a "tracer." Yeah, I remember the days when only the inker could be called a "tracer."

]]> By: Trebbers http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/comment-page-1/#comment-11214 Trebbers Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:37:38 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/#comment-11214 Who are they going to get to pencil Ultimate Power now? Who are they going to get to pencil Ultimate Power now?

]]> By: Ye Olde Iowa http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/comment-page-1/#comment-11208 Ye Olde Iowa Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:36:06 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/23/what-will-i-do-without-them-to-tease/#comment-11208 Wow...this is certainly an interesting twist. It makes me wonder about two things: 1) If Sudyam is ripping himself off, how does Marvel feel about that? 2) The recent issues of Civil War Frontline featured images that were direct "swipes" of Lee Harvey Oswald's murder. Does that count? What about swiping from images in the public domain? Is this a legal issue, or a moral issue? If its moral, swiping from anyone is going to piss Marvel off; if not, non-copyrighted images would be fair game. Makes you wonder which motivation is prompting letters like this. Wow...this is certainly an interesting twist. It makes me wonder about two things: 1) If Sudyam is ripping himself off, how does Marvel feel about that? 2) The recent issues of Civil War Frontline featured images that were direct "swipes" of Lee Harvey Oswald's murder. Does that count?

What about swiping from images in the public domain? Is this a legal issue, or a moral issue? If its moral, swiping from anyone is going to piss Marvel off; if not, non-copyrighted images would be fair game. Makes you wonder which motivation is prompting letters like this.

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