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Two fading titans

Monday, October 30th, 2006 at 2:46 PM EST

Updated: Monday, October 30th, 2006 at 2:46 PM EST

The World Series ended last week.  The St. Louis Cardinals defeated the Detroit Tigers, 4 games to 1.  You are forgiven for not knowing this information, because, apparently, very few people in the United States know this information, based on the ratings.  More people watch cooking shows airing at midnight than watched the World Series.  And, of course, baseball pundits (for those of you who don’t know what I’m talking about, the two teams play baseball), have been pondering it ever since.

You know where I’m going with this.  Baseball and comics share some interesting similarities.  Both are far less popular than they used to be, and everyone seems to know why, but no one does anything about it.  I’m certainly not going to offer any solutions, because I’m not terribly bright, but I do want to look at some of the issues facing these two pastimes.

St. Louis and Detroit should have been a good series, if not great.  The Cardinals and Tigers are two storied franchises in excellent baseball towns.  St. Louis has won more World Series than any other franchise except for the Franchise Which Shall Not Be Named, and Detroit has had its share of success in the past.  The people who played for these franchises are legendary to baseball fans: Ty Cobb, Sam Crawford (Wahoo Sam!), Charlie Gehringer, Hal Newhouser, Denny McClain, Mickey Lolich, Alan Trammell, Jack Morris, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Jesse Haines, Dizzy Dean, Joe Medwick, Stan Musial, Enos Slaughter, Bob Gibson, Ozzie Smith.  The Tigers were the feel-good story of the year in baseball - they hadn’t had a winning season in over a decade and they lost 119 games three years ago, but this year they put it all together and defeated the Evil Empire in the first round of the playoffs.  The Cardinals are managed by a “genius” who until last week had only managed to win one World Series despite having several shots at it.  It should have been a good series.

But it wasn’t.  I don’t blame the ratings for being so low - these games sucked, unless you were a Cardinals fan, I suppose, because your team won.  Sometimes, four-game sweeps feature four exciting games.  Sometimes, all the games stink.  This year, all the games stunk.  And the viewers stayed away in droves.  Dancing With the Stars was on, man!

And then the teeth-gnashing began.  What to do, what to do?  Why are the ratings in the toilet and likely to stay there?  And the pundits pundited.  I listen to The Dan Patrick Show on ESPN Radio often, because it’s on when I pick my daughter up from school.  He has Keith Olbermann on for an hour every day.  Say what you will about Olbermann’s politics (I love him, but he’s wildly partisan, so many do not), but he knows sports.  He and Patrick were discussing the state of the game, and I was fascinated by the similarities between what they were saying and the state of the four-color world we all know and love.

Olbermann was talking about the “good old days,” when World Series games were events.  People took off work, kids ran home from school (or ditched) to gather around transistor radios (how quaint!) and listen to the games.  Now, however, people have so many more choices for their entertainment dollar, and they are finding other ways to spend it.  Sound familiar?

The kid factor is another issue.  Baseball isn’t doing enough to reach out to the children.  According to the commissioner, Bud Selig, the ratings for night playoff games is better than for day playoff games, so screw the kids - we’re going to pander to the hardcore fan base!  Well, the ratings might be better at night, but they’re pretty shitty regardless.  Baseball has driven away a good two generations of children who no longer care about the game, not because they don’t like baseball, but because they can’t stay up late enough to watch it.  Football games, you’ll recall, start in the afternoon, and that includes the Championship Games (the Super Bowl doesn’t count, because it’s a pure media event anymore).  The NFL, you’ll note, has no ratings problems whatsoever.

Baseball also has problems with the length of the games.  The pre-game hype for the World Series is ridiculous.  Not as ridiculous as before the Super Bowl, but again, that’s one game.  The start times for the World Series games keep creeping back, and the games last much longer than they used to.  You might even say they’re … written for the trade!  The most dramatic moments in World Series games now occur, on the East Coast, long after 11:30 at night (here in the desert, they end before 9 o’clock, which is nice).  People have to work, you know, and who the hell wants to stay up that late?  Games drag on, and although I like baseball, there are long stretches where nothing happens.  Hmmm … again, sound familiar?

Price doesn’t come into it, of course, because watching baseball on television is free.  If the ratings keep going down, however, it will end up on ESPN, which technically is not free, even though most houses probably have it on basic cable these days.  Going to a game has become much more expensive, though, and with 162 games a year, plus all the postseason games (if your team is good; I root for the Phillies, so nobody ever has to worry about that), the cost becomes prohibitive.  As recently as the 1980s, I went to baseball games with my grandfather at which the tickets cost $5.  They were shitty seats in a shitty stadium (Veterans Stadium was one of those toilet-bowl multi-purpose places that were the shit back in the 1970s, when it was built), but it was a thoroughly enjoyable experience.  The last time I went to a baseball game (a few years ago, in Phoenix to watch the Phillies play the Diamondbacks), it cost something around $25.  The seats were far better, but that’s a huge increase in twenty years.  This prices families, usually, right out of the market, and leaves only the hardcore fans who will pay anything to get their fix.  Hmmm …

In baseball, there is too much product.  There are 30 teams in Major League Baseball, each playing 162 games.  Would anyone be all that depressed if ten teams went away?  Nobody would miss the Marlins, if their attendance is to be believed.  Same with the Devil Rays, the Diamondbacks (they won a World Series in 2001, the only Arizona team with a professional championship, and still nobody cares), the Royals, probably the Rockies (they once drew fans, but no longer), even the Braves, if their attendance is to be believed.  With 30 teams, you get a lot of players who simply do not deserve to be in the major leagues.  Check out your favorite team’s roster and marvel at the worthless players on it.  How many of them really deserve to be making a million dollars a year?  Then, the playoffs begin, and the weather gets crappy, and we have the first round, then the second round, then the World Series.  A few more rainouts last week and a more competitive series and they’d be playing in November.  Baseball in November.  Ridiculous.

I won’t make the “too much product” argument about all comics, because I love the choices we have, but with regard to the Big Two (and that’s really what we’re talking about, because the other publishers - Dark Horse and Image included - are in no position to influence the market), there is.  DC and Marvel continually throw new books out there with no advance marketing and no plans to get them into the hands of the consumer.  Let’s face it, a BUNCH of books could go away tomorrow and even the people who read them wouldn’t miss them all that much.  There are very few books that I, personally, would bemoan if they disappeared, and zero of them are the superhero books that are the market’s bread-and-butter.  That’s not to say they aren’t entertaining, but with so many books, they all blur together eventually.  Yes, we need more comics, but one thing we don’t need are more superheroes.  Yet whenever the Big Two flood the market with books, they give us iterations of superheroes.  Let’s take … Mighty Avengers, which might see print at some point.  Won’t it be the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of the superhero market?

The similarities don’t end there.  I would argue that both comics and baseball (although baseball to a lesser extent) have never been better.  Comics, I have long argued, are in a Golden Age far greater than the one we all call “The Golden Age.”  You can argue sales all you want, and that’s certainly part of it, but for the past 25 years or so the kinds of comics you can buy relatively easily has blossomed, and comic-book ideas are starting to infiltrate the “mainstream” in such a way that a lot of consumers don’t even realize it.  What is Lost but a long-running adventure comic book that probably reads better in the trade (DVD)?  Greg Hatcher mentioned Heroes a few weeks back (I have all the episodes on DVR but haven’t watched them yet, because I’m slow).  So comics are, perversely, enjoying a Renaissance even as sales plummet.  In baseball, I’m typically much older-school than is probably healthy (Nap Lajoie is the BEST, man!), but I won’t argue that the players - even the really shitty ones - are probably much better than they used to be.  First, look at a team photograph from 60 years ago.  Hey, where are all the black people?  The lack of minorities meant that the best players might not even have made it to the major leagues.  And with conditioning and strength training and technological advances, today’s players (the ones not injecting various illegal chemicals into their butts, at least) would dominate if you sent them back in time.  Send one of today’s shortstops, like Jimmy Rollins - who isn’t even a big-hitting shortstop, just a pretty good one - back to 1920 and he would hit 50 home runs.  Bring a shortstop from the 1920s - Rabbit Marinville, let’s say, just because I like the name “Rabbit,” forward in time, and he not only wouldn’t be a Hall of Famer, he might not make the club.

It’s ironic, then, that these two American cultural touchstones are suffering.  Not only suffering, but dying slowly before our eyes.  Olbermann was making a plea for baseball owners to forego today’s profits for tomorrow’s investments, but he admitted that probably wasn’t going to happen.  He wanted baseball owners to invest in the future by trying to hook kids, even if they lost a little of their profit over the short run.  Again, how familiar does this sound?  On a relative scale, of course, comics would love to have the “problems” that baseball does, but baseball is losing ground continually to football and even basketball.  Comics are losing ground to any number of entertainment options, the most closely related being video games.  And it appears that the only way to recover is to sacrifice some of today’s profits for tomorrow’s investments.  How much do you want to bet DC and Marvel won’t do that?

The problem, of course, is us.  You and me.  The hardcore fans.  DC and Marvel have decided to pander to us almost exclusively, which is silly.  If you’re a hardcore fan of anything, you’ll deal with anything that shakes you and move on.  To return to sports, NASCAR fans went a bit ballistic when their sport moved into the mainstream and stopped supporting fine Southern things like racism, as they actively sought black fans.  NASCAR hasn’t been terribly successful at luring a black audience, but they’ve tried.  As the sport has gone mainstream and lost the rough-and-tumble ambience it once had, the hardcore fans have dealt with it and stayed.  Plus, NASCAR gained a whole new audience and is now, to my eternal shame as an American (it’s freakin’ cars going around in a circle!!!!), more popular than baseball.  You can argue the merits of baseball versus driving a car around in a circle and occasionally jumping out and throwing your helmet at someone, but the fact is that NASCAR did a very good job of marketing and distribution.  We hardcore comics fans will read comics, pretty much no matter what.  I’m not saying DC and Marvel shouldn’t throw us a bone every once in a while - that’s what Infinite Crisis was all about - but when their entire product is geared toward us, that’s just stupid.  DC and Marvel have to readjust their business plan, and possibly piss some of us off, in order to bring in more fans.  But they might lose money in the short term.  I still have no idea how these two companies, who make money by the boatload in movies and merchandising, can’t put some effort into selling their product more efficiently.  I’m not talking about not being able to pay Stuart Immonen his asking price and killing a book like Nextwave.  I like Nextwave, but I’ll get over its demise.  I’m talking about getting their books into the hands of kids.  Today at my daughter’s school a couple of boys were in the playground, and one of them said something about “being Wolverine” and then he lunged, claws extended (presumably) at the other boy.  Kids know the DC and Marvel icons.  I should have asked the kid if he’d ever read a comic book with Wolverine in it.  My guess would be no.

Ultimately, baseball and comics have absolutely no right to exist.  They are simply entertainment options, and live or die on the whims of the consumer.  I think NASCAR and X-Treem sports are moronic, but they are getting the ratings these days, so television pays more attention to them.  I think video games are awful, but they are more popular with kids, so Wal-Mart sells them even if you get to eviscerate nuns while planning a terrorist attack on the White House.  Many comics are tame compared to video games, but you can’t get them in supermarkets or convenience stores.  DC and Marvel should be getting these books into libraries at no cost to the library.  Do they do anything like that, librarians out there?  They should be sponsoring reading programs with comics.  Joey Q should go on more television shows like The Colbert Report and not only plug his stupid Civil War, but where to get comics.  Sacrifice some profit now for future profit.  There is no reason why comics have to be around in 20 years.  It’s not in the Constitution!

Sorry for the rant.  I just found it interesting that sports people were saying the same exact things about “America’s pastime” that many people have been saying about comics for years.  It’s not like either of them is working in a vacuum.  Baseball can emulate other sports; DC and Marvel can look to manga or other successful business models.  I don’t read manga, but I admit that they know how to market and distribute (which is probably as important as marketing) their product.  It’s troubling yet fascinating that the Big Two don’t seem to care about the future.  Joey Q and Dan DiDio can join Bug Selig and the baseball owners on the deck of the Titanic and listen to the band play.  I’m sure nothing more important was going on right then!

Let me have it, people - you know I love hearing how off-base I am!     

22 Comments

You lost me with all the baseball talk. All I know about the World Series is that it meant Family Guy and House were delayed for a month. Hence, I am useless in a discussion on this. (I’m quite surprised at the number of comics nerds who follow sports. Me, I think sports are stupid and pointless to watch. Except curling. It’s hilarious.)

But video games are awesome, you geezer. Quite a few of them are glorious art objects and the like… and others are good at venting frustrations or whatnot. Also, they’re fun, so…

Greg,

You and I are of the RARE breed. We’re both comic fans AND Baseball (sports) fans. For some reason lost to me, factions of both sides abhor the other.

It’s weird to talk to an artist or comic friend of mine and mention baseball or hockey, their eyes gloss over and they seem at a loss for words. The same can be said when I mention a particular good comic I just read to a sports friend of mine, they can’t comprehend.

I just don’t get it.

I don’t really think the comparison is all that apt.

Baseball is doing a LOT better than comic books are (and that’s not me all being “Woe is the comic book industry!,” but rather, “Baseball is doing well.”).

Are the ratings down for the World Series?

Sure, but the ratings are down on EVERY TV show. It’s just what happens when you introduce so many programs via cable, etc. The way TV networks make money, though, is by advertising rates, and you may note that advertising rates for top-rated programs are the same, if not HIGHER (and I’m adjusting for inflation) then the ad rates of popular shows in the past.

This is because, with such a fragmented marketplace, any show that can deliver you a big chunk of the audience is that much more valuable.

Therefore, even though baseball ratings have gone down, they still provide a valuable product for the networks. To wit, during this World Series, only FIVE TV shows had a bigger audience. And this World Series featured a match-up of two teams from the 11th and 21st ranked Media Markets. Had the Mets made the World Series, that number of shows that got better ratings likely would have shrunk.

Meanwhile, baseball teams are all flush with money and the attendance for the games is at an all-time high.

So whether or not the comic book industry is in trouble, Major League Baseball is not.

My respect for you increased substantially when you revealed your love of the Phillies, and I don’t even follow baseball.

I think the comparison is apt, Brian, not because baseball is doing poorly, but because it’s doing poorly compared to how it once did, and compared to other sports. And even though baseball is doing comparatively well, it is still not renewing its fan base, so down the road it’s going to get bitten in the ass. Sure, right now the networks want it, but each year the ratings go down, and soon, they might not want it. Will Selig and the owners do anything to stop the slide? Will DC and Marvel?

Richard - I was a sports nut long before I was a comic guy. I was raised in Philly on crappy sports! That’s why I’m a Phillies fan, Derek - it was bred into me!

But that’s my thing, I don’t think baseball IS doing worse, comparatively.

Attendance is the highest its ever been.

We’ve gone from multiple teams being on the verge of going under to maybe two teams having problems, and the one (Marlins) is due to mismanagement and the other (A’s) has a perfect solution already in place (move down the road to San Jose).

TV ratings are down, but TV ratings are down on basically EVERYthing.

So I don’t think baseball is doing worse now.

Oh my god you are so right about mainstream comics, even this semi-hardcore fan wouldn’t be angry if Marvel and DC tried to get the rest of the public back. (Why do you think Japanese manga has more shelf space than American comics. It’s because they have comics for EVERYONE).

Greg,

Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed the comparison you’ve made here. As a bit of a lapsed Basesball and comics fan at the moments (no money for comics, and no time to watch baseball) I’m a bit out of the loop, but I still enjoy discussions about both, but have never heard them discussed as simialr entities on one site. So nice job there. I also find it interesting that both of these, baseball and comics, are two examples of things that are, for the msot part, American inventions and the fact that they are on a downward spiral (if you’re right, which I feel you are, but pray you’re not) is a bit sad to think about. Maybe there’s something to that.

Reports of MLB’s demise are quite overstated. Attendance is at all time highs. The World Series is still relatively a ratings hit even if overall numbers are more fractured. There’s plenty of competitive parity outside of the AL east. And there are no shortage of games telecast during the regular season, often at quite reasonable hours for children.

And, of all professional sports, MLB is still the most accessible for a family to attend in person based on time and pricing. Especially since a major portion of the season is outside of school years.

And, it should be noted that those complaining about children not seeing the World Series are primarily in the eastern time zone. The last outs of the world series are a bit late in the central time zone and quite reasonable in the mountain and pacific time zones.

Point/Counterpoint: Brian and Robert, you’re right about attendance. I’d point out that hockey teams sell out with regularity, and no one is following their business model! I hope both of you are right, because I love baseball (not as much as football) and don’t want to see it decline. My point remains that it’s not that it’s doing badly, but if it keeps going on this path, it will do badly. The NFL has been far better at anticipating problems and addressing them than baseball (and comics), which takes an “if that’s the way we did things in the Fifties, why change?” kind of attitude.

The time zone thing is certainly true, Robert - I live in Arizona, so we switch between Pacific Time and Mountain Time, but the events end early enough for kids to watch.

Baseball sometimes seems to suffer when compared with sports like the NFL and NASCAR because those sports are watched by national audiences, while baseball is watched by regional audiences. Every NASCAR fan in America watches the same race every week. There’re a few franchises (Kansas City, Tampa Bay) that don’t draw too well, but most of the other teams do, and the regional television packages continue to bring in big money for the teams.

When you dig below the surface, the comparison starts to fall apart.

MLB attendance (as well as minor league and college) is at an all time high and the World Series is still second only to the Super (Hype) Bowl.

Your proposal to eliminate teams only makes the game more inaccessible to those poor kids (what about the children!?) and besides, 30 teams is the going rate with the big three pro sports leagues. There are 30 NBA teams and 32 NFL teams.

Ahh… baseball and comic books in the same conversation. If we could just throw in some generational history I’d be in heaven.

I actually had some of these thoughts in vague seed form myself recently, although I wasn’t comparing baseball to comics in real life in general so much as I was comparing my favourite team (the Blue Jays, and a big hello to all the Philly fans from me) and my favourite comic (the Legion) in my mind subjectively and specifically. But I think they both are having trouble with bringing in young fans. Sure, baseball’s attendance is better than ever… but how many of them are kids? Enough?

There were a few points in the article I disagreed with (I’m dead set against contraction; great players would be great anytime; there’s no significant dilution of talent) but nothing to start a big debate about.

But I really don’t like the idea that I’m in the last wave of fans of something.

“But video games are awesome, you geezer. Quite a few of them are glorious art objects and the like… and others are good at venting frustrations or whatnot. Also, they’re fun, so…”

Yeah, really! Stop being so old, old man! Why are you so old? You’re old, Greg! Seriously, though, I don’t get how you can dismiss a whole medium as awful, especially as a comic fan. There’s a lot of that going around in this thread though, this bafflement over the lack of overlap between interests.

Thanks, Michael - stick the knife in a little deeper, why don’t you. 13 years later and it still stings.

I suppose I’m a Phillies fan by default, considering I was born there and somehow have a baseball signed by the whole team from however-many-years back and everything. I think I went to a game when I was three. All I remember is being baffled by the giant roll of Astro-Turf.

God damn. I recently moved from South Jersey, so all of this Philly sports talk is invigorating. If any of you guys happen to be near Boston, shoot me an email and we can get a drink and talk about sports I barely understand.

Haven’t had time to read through the whole post, but I just gotta weigh in on on what’s really important– the Phillies! Could they be team of choice of comic book fans? No, probably not. But anyway Greg, I was raised in that same shitty stadium, and believe it or not I still miss it. Kinda.

And to the Blue Jays fan: screw you! We’ll get you back someday! An aside; one of my proudest moments as a Phiadelphian was attending a Phillies game the year MLB was rolling out there “Fifty Greatest Moments” campaingn. One of the nominees was Joe Carter’s home run. They played that as part of a promotional clip during a game at the Vet. EVERYBODY booed. What were they thinking? We never forget!

Greg, et al:

I think the comparison is very apt, and accurate.

Before I get to that, though,’Attendance is at an all time high’ is a bit of a misnomer. Total attendance across the entire MLB is higher than it’s ever been, but that’s due more to the number of teams. If you look at the number of people attending a single game, then yes, numbers are actually declining slightly over the past several years. That’s part of the reason teams keep building bigger, newer parks–to draw people to the stadium and hope to hook them into watching a game.

Now, if you look at superhero comics and baseball, I’d say that one commonality that is very important is the fact that both are embracing (or have embraced) concepts that they think will bring in more revenue but in the long-term shrinks their audience. In comics, it was/is the direct market. In baseball, it’s cable TV.

Growing up in the 70s, there were comicbooks available in every convenience store, drugstore and magazine stand around. And there was a baseball game on a local broadcast channel.

Because of a crash in paperback book distribution that took comics with it, comics turned to the direct market approach and consolidating distribution channels to save money and to market directly to ‘their’ audience.’ And that was successful to an extent. But then DC & Marvel turned away from their previous distribution channels, they cut off any opportunities for people to be introduced to superhero comics without making a special trip to the local comic shop.

I think everyone would agree that the reliance on the direct market is a leading cause of the loss of younger readers.

Now, let’s look at baseball. Instead of being on broadcast TV, many teams are being aired only cable (in many cases, a regional FoxSports channel). A large reason that some of these newer franchises have never reached an audience is precisely this: they’ve always aired only on cable–never a local broadcast channel. Just with that, they’ve eliminated a portion of their possible audience. On top of that, some teams (like the Franchise That Shall Not Be Named) have set up their own cable network, so they can better reach ‘their fans.’ They abandon local broadcast channels and regional cable channels and start competing WITH them for space on the line-up. The problem is that when franchises start doing this, they end up reaching ONLY their fans, making it more difficult for anyone with a passing interest to find them.

The problem with both systems is that they’re going after short-term savings at the cost of long-term accessability. If comics get back to the drugstores and magazine stands, and the MLB (and this goes for NHL and the friggin’ NFL Network) drops their exclusives and gets back on the local channels, we’ll see greater growth by both.

It’s interesting that you think DC and Marvel are pretty much exclusively pandering to the hardcore comics fan these days. That is not my impression. I don’t count myself as a hardcore comics fan, and only my first trip to a real, mortar-and-brick comics store last month. That was to pick up the inaugural issue of the “Krypto” comic book for my five-year-old son and I to read together.

I went back for the second issue, and found out about the Richard Donner-written arc in “Action Comics” — so picked that up last week. Tomorrow, I plan to get the first issue of “Superman Confidential” and perhaps the first issue of “Fantastic Four: The End.” These three titles take established characters and put them in “special event” kind of stories. That works for me, the casual fan of the characters from other media, but with very little exposure to the comics themselves.

I grant that what appeals to me are titles that don’t depend on knowing huge amounts of backstory and past continuity — and so, it’s true, I don’t plan on ever touching “Infinite Crisis” or “52.” (I haven’t even read “Crisis on Infinite Earths,” for Pete’s sake!) But these limited run special stories, more or less free of continuity but with the big name characters? Those I will likely keep going back to the comics book shop for.

Thanks for a great blog!

Mike - that’s a good beginning by DC and Marvel. Using established characters in “event” comics that don’t depend on years of continuity is a good way to start to appeal to non-hardcore fans. As others have pointed out, they appeal to the hardcore fans not only with what they publish but how they distribute it. If the kinds of stories you’re talking about do well, they should start looking for ways to get them into places where non-hardcore fans shop. They have some in bookstores, but it doesn’t appear like they do more to get the consumers to notice them.

How cool would a big thick Superman book once a year from Darwyn Cooke be, instead of thin little monthly books that you have to track down in comic book stores?

In defense of the Kansas City Royals, there is a fanbase for the team.

We’re just waiting for current ownership to pull it’s head out of it’s ass and put a team on the field that doesn’t result in the high pitched whirl of Ewing Kaufman spining in his grave drowning out the PA system.

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