Comments on: She-Hulk #13 - Making Simple Hard http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:44:45 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: joha1rota http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-74374 joha1rota Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:49:20 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-74374 imu5cheg imu5cheg

]]> By: Dan Coyle http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12829 Dan Coyle Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:47:11 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12829 The scene in issue #7 of the research geek saying Starfox's powers sounded cool when he was a kid but now are creepy seemed like a pretty obvious FUCK YOU to Starlin. The scene in issue #7 of the research geek saying Starfox's powers sounded cool when he was a kid but now are creepy seemed like a pretty obvious FUCK YOU to Starlin.

]]> By: Evan Waters http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12538 Evan Waters Sat, 04 Nov 2006 23:07:57 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12538 <i>Particularly as Slott has made a similar dig in the GLX-mas special where Squirrel Girl defeated Thanos.</i> I thought that was just to confirm Squirrel Girl's "Mynah Bird"* status in the Marvel Universe. *- as in the Looney Tunes Mynah Bird, who was at the top of the studio "Who beats who" rankings. Particularly as Slott has made a similar dig in the GLX-mas special where Squirrel Girl defeated Thanos.

I thought that was just to confirm Squirrel Girl's "Mynah Bird"* status in the Marvel Universe.

*- as in the Looney Tunes Mynah Bird, who was at the top of the studio "Who beats who" rankings.

]]> By: Brian http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12521 Brian Sat, 04 Nov 2006 18:50:14 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12521 I took the Thanos clone and ludicrously complicated plot as a dig at Jim Starlin doing the same. Particularly as Slott has made a similar dig in the GLX-mas special where Squirrel Girl defeated Thanos. It's a worthwhile point to make, but it worked better in the context of one panel of GLX-mas rather than as a large part of a plot in an ongoing series. Which is not to say I didn't enjoy this issue. The relationship and character stuff still entertained me. I took the Thanos clone and ludicrously complicated plot as a dig at Jim Starlin doing the same.

Particularly as Slott has made a similar dig in the GLX-mas special where Squirrel Girl defeated Thanos.

It's a worthwhile point to make, but it worked better in the context of one panel of GLX-mas rather than as a large part of a plot in an ongoing series.

Which is not to say I didn't enjoy this issue. The relationship and character stuff still entertained me.

]]> By: Evan Waters http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12437 Evan Waters Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:49:29 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12437 That's what happened here. Starfox was a means to an end. It's still about Jen. That's what happened here. Starfox was a means to an end. It's still about Jen.

]]> By: Dan Coyle http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12435 Dan Coyle Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:38:17 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12435 What is with this inane bullshit? Remember when <I>She-Hulk</I> was about, you know, Jen Walters and not Slott's vendettas against Jim Starlin and online fans? Remember when it used continuity to enhance a story instead of making it the story? What is with this inane bullshit? Remember when She-Hulk was about, you know, Jen Walters and not Slott's vendettas against Jim Starlin and online fans? Remember when it used continuity to enhance a story instead of making it the story?

]]> By: tivo http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12345 tivo Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:52:20 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12345 i wish that the starfox being responsible for thanos' death obsession was briliant! wish he had the balls to keep it...very disapointed..but still like the book i wish that the starfox being responsible for thanos' death obsession was briliant! wish he had the balls to keep it...very disapointed..but still like the book

]]> By: stealthwise http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12333 stealthwise Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:07:46 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12333 This new volume of She-Hulk is basically making me dislike the character more and more as we go. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but Jen seemed... likeably flawed in the original issues that Slott wrote, and now she seems to have fallen into this trap where has very little agency of her own. I realize that in V1 she was forced to join a law firm and had to give up being She-Hulk, but she was still smart and cool in her own way... maybe I just miss her being Jen, as she seems far more interesting when she doesn't have to rely on her powers. This new volume of She-Hulk is basically making me dislike the character more and more as we go. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but Jen seemed... likeably flawed in the original issues that Slott wrote, and now she seems to have fallen into this trap where has very little agency of her own. I realize that in V1 she was forced to join a law firm and had to give up being She-Hulk, but she was still smart and cool in her own way... maybe I just miss her being Jen, as she seems far more interesting when she doesn't have to rely on her powers.

]]> By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12262 Brian Cronin Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:57:27 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12262 Besides that loser Pug, I AM enjoying the romantic stuff. Jen/John Andy/Mallory/Two-Gun Kid All fine work by Slott. Besides that loser Pug, I AM enjoying the romantic stuff.

Jen/John

Andy/Mallory/Two-Gun Kid

All fine work by Slott.

]]> By: Evan Waters http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12261 Evan Waters Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:42:33 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12261 I thought it was quite entertaining and a satisfying wrap-up, m'self. The twists ended up being fairly in-genre- I've come to view this book as being vaguely like a romantic comedy, and so a couple of Frasier-esque misunderstandings make sense. I thought it was quite entertaining and a satisfying wrap-up, m'self. The twists ended up being fairly in-genre- I've come to view this book as being vaguely like a romantic comedy, and so a couple of Frasier-esque misunderstandings make sense.

]]> By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12249 Brian Cronin Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:34:59 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12249 <blockquote>I haven’t seen this issue yet, so I can’t comment directly on Burchett’s art in this case, but I’ve always associated him with “cartoony”-style art. Wasn’t he the original penciller for the Batman Adventures comics? I know he’s also done a few issues of the JL Animated book. So how is his work in She-Hulk different from his usual style?</blockquote> By cartoony in the past, though, that usually just meant that Burchett drew simpler designs of characters than other characters. He certainly didn't draw distorted stuff, like a Humberto Ramos - that's what this issue seemed like more.

I haven’t seen this issue yet, so I can’t comment directly on Burchett’s art in this case, but I’ve always associated him with “cartoony”-style art. Wasn’t he the original penciller for the Batman Adventures comics? I know he’s also done a few issues of the JL Animated book. So how is his work in She-Hulk different from his usual style?

By cartoony in the past, though, that usually just meant that Burchett drew simpler designs of characters than other characters. He certainly didn't draw distorted stuff, like a Humberto Ramos - that's what this issue seemed like more.

]]> By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12247 Brian Cronin Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:27:06 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12247 Yeah, I should have mentioned that this was also a complicated and silly way of removing Starfox's powers, which Slott seemed to have a big problem with. Good point, Michael, I should have mentioned that. Yeah, I should have mentioned that this was also a complicated and silly way of removing Starfox's powers, which Slott seemed to have a big problem with.

Good point, Michael, I should have mentioned that.

]]> By: Michael http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12246 Michael Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:19:53 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12246 You're looking at this, Brian, from the POV of continuity management, because that's what most retcons are. Thing is, I don't think it was continuity management; it was a way of putting Starfox in the same place as She-Hulk and the other people who thought he had messed with there minds were, and realizing that mind-control powers aren't necessarily a good thing to have. Thereby, the original "problem" Slott had with the powers, that they had creepy connotations, is removed with them. You're looking at this, Brian, from the POV of continuity management, because that's what most retcons are. Thing is, I don't think it was continuity management; it was a way of putting Starfox in the same place as She-Hulk and the other people who thought he had messed with there minds were, and realizing that mind-control powers aren't necessarily a good thing to have. Thereby, the original "problem" Slott had with the powers, that they had creepy connotations, is removed with them.

]]> By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12245 Brian Cronin Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:16:11 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12245 <blockquote>Considering that there were 4 or 5 non-Civil War issues in between, I don’t see why you’re blaming it for the gap in the story.</blockquote> Because if Civil War had not come when it did, it would have read like a six-part storyline, rather than a complete two-parter...a two-issue gap dealing with Civil War...then a four-parter.

Considering that there were 4 or 5 non-Civil War issues in between, I don’t see why you’re blaming it for the gap in the story.

Because if Civil War had not come when it did, it would have read like a six-part storyline, rather than a complete two-parter...a two-issue gap dealing with Civil War...then a four-parter.

]]> By: Kid Flash http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12238 Kid Flash Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:22:11 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12238 I thought that was lame, too. Slott dug himself a hole with the Starfox business and had a lot of trouble getting out of it. Starfox was the one Starlin-created character I never cared for very much. I thought the Thanos-Death obsession caused by Starfox was really mind-blowing--too bad Slott didn't continue with that. I thought that was lame, too. Slott dug himself a hole with the Starfox business and had a lot of trouble getting out of it. Starfox was the one Starlin-created character I never cared for very much. I thought the Thanos-Death obsession caused by Starfox was really mind-blowing--too bad Slott didn't continue with that.

]]> By: Conor E http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12237 Conor E Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:15:21 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12237 Considering that there were 4 or 5 non-Civil War issues in between, I don't see why you're blaming it for the gap in the story. Considering that there were 4 or 5 non-Civil War issues in between, I don't see why you're blaming it for the gap in the story.

]]> By: Dave Ziegler http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12236 Dave Ziegler Wed, 01 Nov 2006 20:53:03 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12236 I haven't seen this issue yet, so I can't comment directly on Burchett's art in this case, but I've always associated him with "cartoony"-style art. Wasn't he the original penciller for the Batman Adventures comics? I know he's also done a few issues of the JL Animated book. So how is his work in She-Hulk different from his usual style? I haven't seen this issue yet, so I can't comment directly on Burchett's art in this case, but I've always associated him with "cartoony"-style art. Wasn't he the original penciller for the Batman Adventures comics? I know he's also done a few issues of the JL Animated book. So how is his work in She-Hulk different from his usual style?

]]> By: Anonymous http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12228 Anonymous Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:54:00 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12228 I should have read this review first. Last issues big reveal was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. It took one of Marvel's goofiest characters and really did something notable with him. This issue? Back to status quo. I also enjoyed the Pug/Mallory hospital visit. Great dialog there. I should have read this review first.

Last issues big reveal was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. It took one of Marvel's goofiest characters and really did something notable with him.

This issue? Back to status quo.

I also enjoyed the Pug/Mallory hospital visit. Great dialog there.

]]> By: Jonathan L. Switzer http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-12224 Jonathan L. Switzer Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:33:39 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/11/01/she-hulk-13-making-simple-hard/#comment-12224 Blast it, that sucks. I thought the big Thanos bit last issue was a mind-blowing, clever, cool reveal. For Slott to pull the rug out from under it in such a ham-handed way, in his OWN story?! Ugh. Lame. Probably will thumb through it myself to see how the execution is, but conceptually, that just sounds so <i>comic booky</i> in one of the more derisive senses of the term. Blast it, that sucks. I thought the big Thanos bit last issue was a mind-blowing, clever, cool reveal. For Slott to pull the rug out from under it in such a ham-handed way, in his OWN story?! Ugh. Lame. Probably will thumb through it myself to see how the execution is, but conceptually, that just sounds so comic booky in one of the more derisive senses of the term.

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