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Snark Free Corner for 12/4

Welcome to the latest installment of your breath of snark free air!

Enjoy!

COOL COMIC THINGS

John Byrne realized this cool comic thing when he came up with the idea for Acts of Vengeance. Superheroes fighting supervillains they usually do not is a really cool comic thing.

How awesome is it when you see, say, Superman trying to match wits with the Joker?

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Or Spider-Man doing all he can to take down the Juggernaut?

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Of course, suspension of disbelief is a big part of this, and if you stretch it TOO far, it gets to be a bit silly some times.

For instance, Batman vs. Darkseid or Spider-Man vs. Firelord.

But within reason, mismatched superhero/supervillain fights are a really cool comic thing.

COVER THEME GAME

As always, here is the game. I show three covers. They all have something in common, whether it be a character, a trait all three characters share, locale, creator, SOMEthing. And it isn’t something obvious like “They all have prices!” “They all have logos!” “They all feature a man!” etc.

In addition, please note that you must have some familiarity with comic book history to correctly guess these comics. You cannot guess the connective theme just by looking at the covers solely, you must have some knowledge beyond just the covers.

Good luck! A cool point to the first one who figures it out!

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2.

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SNARK FREE CHALLENGE

Who do you think could tie the strongest knot – Green Arrow or Hawkeye?

COVER HOMAGE

One cool point to the first person who can tell me which cover this Superman: Man of Steel cover is homaging!

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COOL COMIC MOMENT

This week’s cool comic moment is courtesy of Gerry Conway who, in his own way, managed to do more for the Mary Jane/Peter Parker relationship than any other writer I can think of, including the writers who had them get MARRIED!

After the death of Gwen Stacy, Peter lashes out at Mary Jane, but here, there is a turning point in Mary Jane’s characterization. Up until now, she WOULD leave the room after a blowout like this…however, now, she has matured to the point where she realizes Peter needs her, even if he is being mean to her at the moment.

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Great scene.

This scene is echoed 27 issues later, when Peter is reeling from the “return” of Gwen Stacy. Again, he and Mary Jane had a falling out, but now it is Peter who is realizing how much Mary Jane means to HIM…and we get a great reaction shot, with a sound effect homage to the first scene.

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I especially love the way Conway basically implies sex without being over the top. That was very well done.

A really cool comic moment.

Well, that’s it for this installment of Snark Free Corner.

Hope you had fun!

27 Comments

A friend and I were just talking about MJ’s reaction to Gwen’s death not two days ago!

Gil Kane and JRsr did a bang-up job on that scene. That kind of emotive character work is sometimes rare nowadays, though a few artists do it extremely well. Everything, from the posture to MJ’s slightly-clenched fist, is on point. Small wonder JRsr did romance comics before doing Spidey :)

It’s worth noting that this scene was recently reproduced word for word, but not panel for panel, in the most recent issue of Sensational Spidey, number 32. It was an okay issue, but it introduced the idea that MJ feels inferior to Gwen, and that’s just a sentiment that I can get behind. It seems off.

THANK YOU.

I was trying to figure out where I just saw that scene. It was in the last issue of Sensational.

I kind of see MJ’s stance. Gwen is ALWAYS going to be around and Peter is ALWAYS going to be broken up about it. Think about it, every time she is constantly compared to Gwen, no less than three of Peter’s arch-enemies conjure up thoughts of Gwen everytime they appear, and every time there is an alternate reality story, Peter ends up with Gwen.

Spider-Man vs. Juggernaut is cool. Superman vs. Joker to me is equally as ridiculous as Batman vs. Darkseid though.

Great MJ consolation scene. Thinking about it though, doesn’t 27 issues later seem a little too soon for Pete to move on, given how slow comic book time moves? I also think it’s strange that JMS has officially made it continuity canon that Pete and Gwen never had sex, since that means that Pete dates Gwen for years and never has sex with her, she dies and he immediately bones the best friend a few months later. “Sins Past” really has no redeeming elements, I think.

Of course, suspension of disbelief is a big part of this, and if you stretch it TOO far, it gets to be a bit silly some times. For instance, Batman vs. Darkseid or Spider-Man vs. Firelord.

I’m hoping you’re being facetious here, as Spider-Man vs. Firelord was one of my favorite Spider-Man stories of the 1980s!

Oh, okay, you must be being facetious, since I just remembered that Batman faced Darkseid in one of Grant Morrison’s best JLA arcs. :-)

One of my favourite lopsided fights was Daredevil vs. The Absorbing Man shortly after Onslaught.

Strongest knot? Green Arrow…hands down. hell, he could tie a stronger know with both his hands tied behind his back. Especially if it is Mike Grell writing him.

I think we can safely say that the strongest knots of all are tied by Wonder Woman.

I think Jon H should get at least a cool point for that comment…

The Man of Steel cover homage is to Superman #32 (1945).

Since Hawkeye – unlike Green Arrow – actually managed to commit to a woman and marry her (and they even stayed together until her death!), I think that demonstrates that Hawkeye was able to tie the stronger knot.

“and every time there is an alternate reality story, Peter ends up with Gwen.”

Which I think is pure bollocks. Just the law of averages says there must be some universe where Gwen lived, but she and Peter didn’t end up together.

In fact, and I’ll be excoriated up and down for this, I think it’s likely what would have happened if Gwen had lived in 616,

Well Michael, I’ll join your corner. I’d like to believe that at least, MJ is just a far more interesting character than Gwen.

Sins Past was a horrible story, it really turned me off JMS. I understand he originally intended it to be about Peter and Gwen’s kids. Which could’ve worked, but since the editors canned that he turned to this alternative which is as ridiculous as it is creepy. He should’ve just thrown away the whole idea.

By the way, this is totally off-topic, but where does the term 616 come from? I understand what it means but how did the term originate?

Earth 616 first appeared in Alan Moore’s Captain Britain run. Here’s a link to the wikipedia version of the story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth-616

The “Gwen’s kids” thing actually does make some sense, if they’re Peter and Gwen’s. It’s kind of odd the way Gwen just goes off to Europe for a while, and makes you wonder where the writers were going with that in the first place.

What was funny about “Acts of Vengeance!” was the weird metatextuality of it. Loki would just run around to supervillains, saying, “Hey, you used to fight this guy. Why not fight THIS OTHER GUY? He’ll be unprepared and you’ll kick his ass!”

“The “Gwen’s kids” thing actually does make some sense, if they’re Peter and Gwen’s. It’s kind of odd the way Gwen just goes off to Europe for a while, and makes you wonder where the writers were going with that in the first place.”

I think, by then, the writers had realized that the relationship had progressed to where either Peter had to tell Gwen he was Spider-Man, or they had to write her out of the book.

Gerry Conway’s Spider-man was actually pretty good, wasn’t it? I mean, dude didn’t have the most stellar track record in comics, but he seemed to have a real affinity for Spidey.

Gerry Conway’s long Batman/Detective run was right up there with his stellar Spider-Man run. The guy gets way too little credit. Of course now he’s crying all the way to the bank, making mad money as a “Law and Order” writer.

“Sins Past” is no longer part of my personal continuity. It’s an Imaginary Story.

‘Spider-Man: Blue’ on the other hand is 100% canonical.

Can I second the disbelief at the way the Spider-Man vs Firelord fight is written off here? And during a Snark Free Corner at that!

I’ll admit, I always get choked up on the last page of ASM 122. I can’t believe Gerry Conway was only 19 when he wrote that.

That fight made no sense. That’s not snark!!

The Mad Monkey

March 15, 2007 at 6:16 am

And again…
Norman Osborn’s “O” face continues to haunt us all.

Cover theme game: All feature people who were adopted?

Or, as somewhat of a flip to sterg’s guess, they all feature people who are orphans?

I loved the Spider-Man / Firelord fight. Especially the way Spidey kept looking for someone to help him.

And, it really reinforced the trend at the time to show that if you can’t hit Spider-Man, then he will eventually wear you down and defeat you. He did that with a lot of villians (Titana and the Absorbing Man come to mind.)

Theno

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