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	<title>Comments on: Chris Eliopoulos on &quot;Labels&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: Ibrahim Ng</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/12/05/chris-eliopoulos-on-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-19211</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibrahim Ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 22:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops. Guess I did miss Chris&#039; point.

&quot;Comic book&quot; is often used as a synonym for &quot;retarded&quot; or rather -- well, I think what people are referring to are -- I was reading &quot;Essential X-Men.&quot; There are stories where Magneto attacks the X-Men. Why? No reason, really. He just does it so that there&#039;ll be a fight scene to play to the fetishistic adrenaline blitz that superhero fans are looking for. And I think when people say &quot;comic book&quot; in a derogatory fashion, they&#039;re referring to the idea of stories that exist solely to provide some form of absurdist violence or power fantasy without any real logic or genuine personality behind it. And that isn&#039;t... you know. That reputation is not wholly unearned.

At the same time, I like to think that superhero comics have come a long way since then, offering civil rights metaphors, galvanizing messages that inside all of us are heroes, that the best way to pass through the world is to explore and try to understand everything there is -- and basically offering a myth and legend that no other genre has to provide.

It&#039;s fine to be hurt by the derogatory term of &quot;comic book,&quot; but it would probably be better to a) understand it and b) show that there&#039;s more there than what might be immediately obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops. Guess I did miss Chris' point.</p>
<p>"Comic book" is often used as a synonym for "retarded" or rather -- well, I think what people are referring to are -- I was reading "Essential X-Men." There are stories where Magneto attacks the X-Men. Why? No reason, really. He just does it so that there'll be a fight scene to play to the fetishistic adrenaline blitz that superhero fans are looking for. And I think when people say "comic book" in a derogatory fashion, they're referring to the idea of stories that exist solely to provide some form of absurdist violence or power fantasy without any real logic or genuine personality behind it. And that isn't... you know. That reputation is not wholly unearned.</p>
<p>At the same time, I like to think that superhero comics have come a long way since then, offering civil rights metaphors, galvanizing messages that inside all of us are heroes, that the best way to pass through the world is to explore and try to understand everything there is -- and basically offering a myth and legend that no other genre has to provide.</p>
<p>It's fine to be hurt by the derogatory term of "comic book," but it would probably be better to a) understand it and b) show that there's more there than what might be immediately obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Cornwall</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/12/05/chris-eliopoulos-on-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-19187</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Cornwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 19:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Chris, don&#039;t worry. Real comics fans know the value of a good letterer. I&#039;ve seen a minicomic in NJ that did nothing but talk about the best letterers in the industry. Without, the marriage between words and art in comics would be like that of Britney Spears and...well...anybody, I guess. Lettering comics is a real art and skill, and you do it as well as anyone. And you&#039;re a damn good cartoonist, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Chris, don't worry. Real comics fans know the value of a good letterer. I've seen a minicomic in NJ that did nothing but talk about the best letterers in the industry. Without, the marriage between words and art in comics would be like that of Britney Spears and...well...anybody, I guess. Lettering comics is a real art and skill, and you do it as well as anyone. And you're a damn good cartoonist, too!</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Himelhoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis Himelhoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like it or not, labels are generally how we get judged and some labels have negative connotations. When I was in college, for example, I was excited about becoming a computer programmer however, noone uses that term anymore. We are all software engineers. So why not fancy up your title when introducing yourself. Call yourself a professional calligrapher who specializes in applications for graphical story telling. Sounds impressive doesn&#039;t it?
Play the game, man. Play the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like it or not, labels are generally how we get judged and some labels have negative connotations. When I was in college, for example, I was excited about becoming a computer programmer however, noone uses that term anymore. We are all software engineers. So why not fancy up your title when introducing yourself. Call yourself a professional calligrapher who specializes in applications for graphical story telling. Sounds impressive doesn't it?<br />
Play the game, man. Play the game.</p>
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		<title>By: J To The AAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>J To The AAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing with lettering is that when it&#039;s done best people don&#039;t really notice, but when it&#039;s done badly, boy... It really screws up the whole look of a comic.

For instance, I didn&#039;t buy David Lloyd&#039;s Kickback because of the lettering. I liked the art and the story looked promising but I just couldn&#039;t get over a couple of horrendous moments in lettering.

I&#039;m looking forward to the collected Franklin Richards, good to hear it&#039;s coming since I&#039;m a trade reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing with lettering is that when it's done best people don't really notice, but when it's done badly, boy... It really screws up the whole look of a comic.</p>
<p>For instance, I didn't buy David Lloyd's Kickback because of the lettering. I liked the art and the story looked promising but I just couldn't get over a couple of horrendous moments in lettering.</p>
<p>I'm looking forward to the collected Franklin Richards, good to hear it's coming since I'm a trade reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Eliopoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Eliopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now, I&#039;m writing from DisneyWorld and just wanted to check in. Don&#039;t feel bad for me. Obviously, my point was missed by some. I was using my story as a metaphor for the comic industry as a whole.

Part of the reason comics are considered a low form of art is because of perception. That was the point of this article. Nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now, I'm writing from DisneyWorld and just wanted to check in. Don't feel bad for me. Obviously, my point was missed by some. I was using my story as a metaphor for the comic industry as a whole.</p>
<p>Part of the reason comics are considered a low form of art is because of perception. That was the point of this article. Nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibrahim Ng</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/12/05/chris-eliopoulos-on-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-19011</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibrahim Ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, you poor sad pitable man. I don&#039;t know how you get up in the morning.

... Honestly, Chris, I don&#039;t know what to tell you. I like you. Never met you, but your lettering is excellent, and anyone who thinks lettering isn&#039;t a careful, painstaking art should see a John Byrne book where he does it himself. Or they should see Marvel books when they did mix-cased lettering before you helped them figure that out properly. I like your Franklin Richards stuff. I&#039;ve enjoyed &quot;Desperate Times.&quot;

I guess what I would like to say is -- get over yourself. Geez. Take pride in what you do, you big pansie. You keep people sane and amused when reading the idiot guides. You produce enjoyable artwork that children and adults enjoy. You make stories understandable through arranging the dialogue clearly. Be proud. I like your stuff. But so what if I don&#039;t? You know what you&#039;re doing, you make a valuable and worthwhile contribution, and anyone who tells you otherwise is either very ignorant or very stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you poor sad pitable man. I don't know how you get up in the morning.</p>
<p>... Honestly, Chris, I don't know what to tell you. I like you. Never met you, but your lettering is excellent, and anyone who thinks lettering isn't a careful, painstaking art should see a John Byrne book where he does it himself. Or they should see Marvel books when they did mix-cased lettering before you helped them figure that out properly. I like your Franklin Richards stuff. I've enjoyed "Desperate Times."</p>
<p>I guess what I would like to say is -- get over yourself. Geez. Take pride in what you do, you big pansie. You keep people sane and amused when reading the idiot guides. You produce enjoyable artwork that children and adults enjoy. You make stories understandable through arranging the dialogue clearly. Be proud. I like your stuff. But so what if I don't? You know what you're doing, you make a valuable and worthwhile contribution, and anyone who tells you otherwise is either very ignorant or very stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;

Chris, 

That&#039;s just disgusting. If you&#039;d been a team mate of mine, I&#039;d have made Wizard&#039;s EIC your personal body slave for the weekend.</description>
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<p>Chris, </p>
<p>That's just disgusting. If you'd been a team mate of mine, I'd have made Wizard's EIC your personal body slave for the weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: West</title>
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		<dc:creator>West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.

I was expecting (and kinda hoping) for a write-up about how challenging lettering really is and why it OUGHT to be more appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.</p>
<p>I was expecting (and kinda hoping) for a write-up about how challenging lettering really is and why it OUGHT to be more appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: RAB</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/12/05/chris-eliopoulos-on-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-18870</link>
		<dc:creator>RAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d just like to mention that I&#039;ve always noticed the lettering in comics -- my longstanding favorite is Tom Orzechowski, but nostalgia may play a big role there -- and lettering really makes a &lt;i&gt;huge&lt;/i&gt; difference in my comics reading experience.  If I see a comic with bad or amateurish lettering, I simply cannot enjoy it: the whole book comes across as cheap and amateurish if the lettering isn&#039;t competent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd just like to mention that I've always noticed the lettering in comics -- my longstanding favorite is Tom Orzechowski, but nostalgia may play a big role there -- and lettering really makes a <i>huge</i> difference in my comics reading experience.  If I see a comic with bad or amateurish lettering, I simply cannot enjoy it: the whole book comes across as cheap and amateurish if the lettering isn't competent.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynxara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynxara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 00:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess by &quot;okay with it&quot;, he means &quot;it won&#039;t ruin my life, I&#039;ll keep on truckin&#039;&quot;. This is what I mean when I say I&#039;m okay with people disliking or hating my work, anyway. Of course I would rather they didn&#039;t, but if they do, then life goes on. 

Agreed that I would like to read a column from Mr. Eliopoulos. I think he&#039;s lettered just about all of my favorite books for as long as I&#039;ve been reading, and it&#039;s a viewpoint on the industry that has never been really explored. 

I published a web comic awhile back and getting decent lettering was an enormous problem. I&#039;m not sure we ever really solved it, but it was an eye-opening experience. Ever since that I&#039;ve found myself paying a lot more attention to lettering techniques and how they affect a story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess by "okay with it", he means "it won't ruin my life, I'll keep on truckin'". This is what I mean when I say I'm okay with people disliking or hating my work, anyway. Of course I would rather they didn't, but if they do, then life goes on. </p>
<p>Agreed that I would like to read a column from Mr. Eliopoulos. I think he's lettered just about all of my favorite books for as long as I've been reading, and it's a viewpoint on the industry that has never been really explored. </p>
<p>I published a web comic awhile back and getting decent lettering was an enormous problem. I'm not sure we ever really solved it, but it was an eye-opening experience. Ever since that I've found myself paying a lot more attention to lettering techniques and how they affect a story.</p>
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		<title>By: veghead</title>
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		<dc:creator>veghead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should write a series of essays, your take on the comics industry, called &quot;What do I Know?  I&#039;m Just a Letterer.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should write a series of essays, your take on the comics industry, called "What do I Know?  I'm Just a Letterer."</p>
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		<title>By: Rebis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 21:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I agree with almost everything you wrote. But when you write: &quot; But, as I said before, Iâ€™m used to being looked down on and Iâ€™m okay with it.&quot; Well, I don&#039;t believe that for a second. The &quot;OK with it part,&quot; I mean. Used to it? Sure, I bet. OK with it? Not for a minute. Nor should you be. It&#039;s bull$hit. And you wouldn&#039;t have written this essay if you it didn&#039;t bother you. And that&#039;s a good thing: You&#039;re pushing the medium -- if ever so slightly; there&#039;s a lot of inertia to overcome! -- in a different direction with &quot;Franklin Richards&quot;. Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I agree with almost everything you wrote. But when you write: " But, as I said before, Iâ€™m used to being looked down on and Iâ€™m okay with it." Well, I don't believe that for a second. The "OK with it part," I mean. Used to it? Sure, I bet. OK with it? Not for a minute. Nor should you be. It's bull$hit. And you wouldn't have written this essay if you it didn't bother you. And that's a good thing: You're pushing the medium -- if ever so slightly; there's a lot of inertia to overcome! -- in a different direction with "Franklin Richards". Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: b Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>b Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough, I neevr knew who Eliopoulos was until he did &quot;Desperate Times&quot; in Savage Dragon. I view him as a cartoonist who does lettering, not as a letterer ... hey, guess what, Stan Sakai is also a cartoonist who does lettering. Pretty good company there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, I neevr knew who Eliopoulos was until he did "Desperate Times" in Savage Dragon. I view him as a cartoonist who does lettering, not as a letterer ... hey, guess what, Stan Sakai is also a cartoonist who does lettering. Pretty good company there.</p>
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		<title>By: Chud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 20:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that, hopefully, the collected volume of Franklin Richards will do well, because the comics industry is clearly spinning its wheels.

The big events in mainstream comics these days are geared to die-hard comic book fans. Civil War, which garnered alot of press outside of the comic book bubble is not an easy comic to jump onto.

Further, the new stuff that is coming out is not geared towards kids at all. I expect that within the next ten years comics are going to find that they have even fewer fans in their twenties, since right now they&#039;re not being caught while they&#039;re young.

Books labelled as &quot;kids stuff&quot; are the key to making this a thriving industry.

If we compare comics to other media like movies, television, or the internet, the comic industry comes up very short. Comics don&#039;t have as broad a range of genres, and they definitely do next to nothing to appeal to different age groups or demographics.

I sincerely hope that your Franklin Richards work is well recieved, and wins over some young fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that, hopefully, the collected volume of Franklin Richards will do well, because the comics industry is clearly spinning its wheels.</p>
<p>The big events in mainstream comics these days are geared to die-hard comic book fans. Civil War, which garnered alot of press outside of the comic book bubble is not an easy comic to jump onto.</p>
<p>Further, the new stuff that is coming out is not geared towards kids at all. I expect that within the next ten years comics are going to find that they have even fewer fans in their twenties, since right now they're not being caught while they're young.</p>
<p>Books labelled as "kids stuff" are the key to making this a thriving industry.</p>
<p>If we compare comics to other media like movies, television, or the internet, the comic industry comes up very short. Comics don't have as broad a range of genres, and they definitely do next to nothing to appeal to different age groups or demographics.</p>
<p>I sincerely hope that your Franklin Richards work is well recieved, and wins over some young fans.</p>
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