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A Friday Tale of Two T’s

Every so often, I see some really horrible fan behavior on the internet, and a pro responding in kind, and I think to myself, maybe it’s time I got around to doing that column about how the internet bringing the creators and the audience closer together is really a bad thing for comics.

And then there’s an incident like the one in class a few weeks ago and I have to re-think my position.

We’re getting into a nice groove now in the Cartooning class. First issue of the year under our belt, and the kids are closing in on the deadline for the second one. The guidelines are pretty simple — two pages minimum per student, plus a splash page. If they want to go longer they can, but two pages of panel-to-panel continuity is the minimum. And the material has to be all-original.

Occasionally I get an argument about the last one. Usually it’s from the boys, who more often than not just want to re-enact some video game slaughter from Doom or something like that. The girls tend to want to do more interesting things, they never lack for ideas. So I was really surprised when Tiffany asked me if she could do a comic based on a book she was reading.

“It’s not a comic, it’s a BOOK,” she said. “Does that still count?”

“It’s still copyrighted material,” I explained. “It belongs to the author. Same as the copyright notice we put in our books.” I pointed out the little (c)2006 notice on the inside front cover of the book we’d just published. “Your stuff belongs to you and her stuff belongs to her. You can’t just take someone else’s idea without permission. That’s what the notice means.”

Tiffany nodded and sighed and went back to her desk. I thought we were done.

The following Tuesday, Tiffany came in waving a slip of paper. “I got permission, is it okay now?”

“Well, I’ll be–” –damned, I almost said, but cut it off just in time. “Let me see that.”

Sure enough, it was a printout of an e-mail from Tamora Pierce, granting Tiffany a limited permission to adapt her stuff for comics, cautioning her that it couldn’t be done for money, but she was proud to have inspired such an effort and by all means go ahead, and finishing with, Keep doing what you love!

Okay. I knew when I was beaten. Besides, I was proud of Tiffany for taking the initiative… and I’m not so old that I can’t remember the lure of doing fan fiction.

My student Tiffany is slaving away on her fanfic as I write this.

So Tiffany has been slaving away on her Tamora Pierce adaptation for the last couple of weeks.

Tiffany says this story takes place in the Tamora Pierce Universe. I'm taking her word for it.

Note how careful Tiffany is about making sure everything is explained. Clearly all my bellowing about clarity is doing some good.

Last week she blurted out, “You know Tamora Pierce is working for Marvel now!”

There’s something really endearing about my kids coming to class with comics industry news. “Yes, I know,” I said, smiling. “In fact she’s doing a revival of a strip I used to like a lot when I was about your age.”

“White Tiger!” Tiffany said, breathlessly. “She wrote about it on her web site!”

When Angela took this on in DD I was skeptical.

Inspiration struck. I smiled slyly and said, “I have a column on the net, you know. If you want, I’ll bring in a copy of White Tiger when it comes out and if you want to review it, I’ll put it up in the column.”

“Sure!”

So I brought in an original Deadly Hands of Kung Fu, thinking Tiffany would enjoy seeing the source material, and also #1 of the White Tiger revival.

This is my guy. And Tamora Pierce's too, apparently.

I am rather enjoying this book despite my initial doubts.

I was really curious about her reaction, especially after our own Joe Rice had opined that he didn’t think Tamora Pierce’s book fanbase would care for the comic. Because Tiffany is the TEMPLATE for those fans — a twelve-year-old girl who scorns mainstream superhero comics but likes manga and loves fantasy novels. So here’s the test case for all of us that get annoyed at how inaccessible superhero comics are for new readers.

This was a couple of weeks ago. Honestly, I thought Tiffany had forgotten, but Tuesday she came in beaming and handed me the comics and a sheet of notebook paper with her handwritten review.

Art's pretty, too. Best of all? No Civil War crap.

Review of the White Tiger by Tamora Pierce

I liked the new plot! I read the original White Tiger and I didn’t get it. The new plot is exciting and I liked the detail and the color. The end of #1 left me wondering what would happen next. I think it’s awesome that they have Pierce in comics.

Tiffany, age 12

I knew she would be inclined to like it simply because it was by Tamora Pierce, the nice lady who was letting her do a fan-fiction comic. Even so, I was surprised. I had expected her to be more confused by the continuity stuff.

“You really enjoyed this?” I asked her.

Tiffany nodded enthusiastically. “Oh, yeah! I really want to get the next one, I want to see what happens. I mean, she’s just lying there in the street all bloody and stuff, it can’t end like that!”

Well, it didn’t. I picked up #2 today — Wednesday as I write this — and I’ll post Tiffany’s further reviews of the series later on, if I can persuade her to go into a little more detail.

Tiffany, however, ADORES it. And she was scandalized by Mr. Rice's review.

I admit I’m rather liking this new White Tiger series myself, and unlike Tiffany, I was predisposed to hate it. I still remember when the hip new trend was to retire an old hero and get a young heroine to take over the job (it got especially egregious in the old Infinity, Inc. but it was going on all over the place, you probably remember it too if you’ve been reading comics for any length of time.) Apart from that, the original Sons of the Tiger/White Tiger epic that played out across most of the run of Deadly Hands of Kung Fu was a favorite of mine, and I am one of those readers that gets a little testy when some new version of an old fave shows up and manages to throw away everything that was good about the original premise. (Again, I’m sure you have your own list, but the handiest examples I came up with off the top of my head were the Hal Jordan Spectre and Trials of Shazam.) So I wasn’t going to bother with this — from what I’d seen of this new Tiger in Daredevil, it looked an awful lot to me like Marvel was doing the Yolanda Montez Wildcat. Yawn.

I liked Infinity Inc., but I was getting tired of the let's-put-a-woman-in-the-suit makeovers.

But if a student asks me about a book, I’ll usually try and find a way to get it into the classroom. And once I had it, I flipped though it, and was pleasantly surprised. This has just enough legacy references to make the old Deadly Hands of Kung Fu fans like me smile, while at the same time is apparently accessible enough that a twelve-year-old girl that likes unicorns can still enjoy it. That’s a tough tightrope to walk. Plus Ms. Pierce and co-writer Timothy Liebe have wisely opted to stay away from the whole Civil War thing, setting this story in the months before. All those things get points from me. And finally, Tamora Pierce treated my student with kindness and encouragement instead of blowing her off, which makes me inclined to cut her book a little more slack than I’d normally give yet another C-list superhero relaunch.

I’m glad I did, because I find I’m enjoying it. There’s some good stuff going on in here, and I especially like the idea that this White Tiger is a rookie who’s learning how to do the costumed-hero thing on her own, there’s a charming sort of early Spider-Man vibe to that particular subplot. Provisional thumbs up from me too, as well as Tiffany.

Just as an aside: The interesting thing to me about this whole episode, when I step back and look at it from an industry-analysis viewpoint, is the viral marketing involved. Tamora Pierce knew Marvel wasn’t competent to push her new comic book project to the fans of her novels, so she made sure it was front and center on her web page. And 12-year-old Tiffany, who does NOT LIKE superhero comics, read the web page info and that got her excited about the project, which in turn prompted me to sample it. Left to myself, I probably wouldn’t have.

There’s a lesson there, Marvel marketing people. If you don’t get a collected edition of this book into the young-adult section of chain bookstores — and make damn sure to get Tamora Pierce’s name on the cover in big giant letters — well, you’re passing up millions of dollars. Don’t ignore this huge, throbbing dynamo of as-yet-untapped consumerism out there for comics. There are thousands upon thousands of these bookish teenage girls daydreaming and drawing unicorns on their binders, they’ve all got money to burn, and they all love Tamora Pierce. Get this comic into their hands and get them texting each other and it’ll make Civil War‘s numbers look like the income from a mediocre bake sale. Seriously. Here’s your answer to “Minx” and it’s already got the brand-name familiarity. Think about it.

Me? I’m thinking there’s some positive uses for this internet thing after all.

See you next week.

ADDENDUM: Tamora Pierce drops by in the comments section below to respond to the piece. Here is a snippet (read the comments below for the full response):

I’m thrilled to read the actual continuation of the story behind one of these mails! (Usually the exchange itself is the last I ever hear.) And I had to laugh at Tiffany’s coming back with actual permission when you didn’t expect it! I tend to give limited permission for such things because when I started out I was writing fan fiction (though I always point out at talks, in my best old lady voice, “We didn’t have an Internet, and we didn’t call it fan fiction! We called it Star Trek stories, and Tolkein stories, and we were glad to have ‘em!). I think it’s a great way for writers to edge into writing big projects, when creating worlds and characters can be intimidating to a beginner.

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Huh, yea. That’s a mighty fine silver lining on this dark cloud I call the internet.

What a great story. I wish I had the patience to teach.

I feel your pain with the new heroes replacing old. I usually like the original better. In fact, I was annoyed when the Sons of the Tiger were replaced by the original White Tiger.

Since Wildcat is the single most interesting member of the JSA to me, I always figured that the Yolanda Wildcat was just the result of someone realizing how good a woman would look in that costume. I didn’t care for the female Doctor Fate either, but the costume looked awesome on the female form. Now if we could only have a female Spectre.

One of the sad things about the way things are now is that I’ve heard so many stories about how accessible and approachable the old guard were. A lot of pros tell stories about how they discovered that someone they worshiped actually lived in their town, and so they looked them up in the phone book, gave them a ring, and the guy couldn’t have been nicer. I myself grew up in the same area that Steranko lives in, and I did once look him up in the book, and there he was: Steranko, James, though I never had the balls to call him (which may be for the best, as he was always considered rather prickly). In fact, I just read an interview with Ron Garney, where he describes such an encounter with Mike Zeck.

One of the intereseting things about these stories is that the pro is always so amazed that anyone likes their work so much as to consider them a hero. Cartoonists, even the greats, were always the humble sort. No more. Perhaps it’s because of the instant ego gratification the internet and conventions provide. But I also think that the pseudo- respectability that comics have gained contributes to the problem. Industry pros are no longer embarrassed to admit what they do for a living, yet they are still marginalized by the general public. I think this creates a dichotomy in their egos, where a guy like, say, John Byrne lords his power over the fan base he has, knowing that the majority of the population could give a shit that he revamped Superman twenty years ago.

Of course, we fans are often guilty for abusing the new level of contact we have with those on the other side. We treat them as if they are less than human beings, without feelings, as if they have personally attacked us by creating work we don’t like. So which came first, the chicken or the egg? Did we push the pros to be so thin skinned, or did they just become a bunch of jerks?

Anyway, that’s a really nice story you told. Kudos to Pierce for encouraging a youngster.

By the way, Greg, The Trouble With Girls trade paperback came out this week, in case you didn’t know. I haven’t read it yet, but thanks to you, I have it in my bedroom, ready to read!

I’d be totally okay with a girl Spectre if she kept the goatee.

Stories like this is why I love this column.

Hate to be a detail freak, but it was actually DC who was responsible for letting Roy Thomas poop all over the characters he supposedly loved by creating female versions of Wildcat and Dr. Mid-nite. The 80′s were very painful for us all.

i am now very tempted to pick up white tiger #1 next week. so not a book i would usually get, but i dare say that this makes me want to support pierce.

always wonderful to see creative types encourage kids.

and greg, i am quite curious why you would ever think bring readers and creators closer would ever be a bad thing. yes, some people are assholes – happens all the time in real life as well, but the creation of dialogue between creators and consumers (and not just comics) is one of the best things to happen, ever. though i cringe every time i see blatant hero worship by the fans…

but that is just my opinion, and would very much like to see another view of this.

I can think of one instance where it didn’t work out too well …

I will be purchasing this mini-series because of Mrs. Peirce’s actions. As a librarian, I know that hooking new young readers is hard for all books in general and this is the exact sort of thing I like to see.

Greg Burgas said… “I can think of one instance where it didn’t work out too well …”

I’m still embarrassed about that; I feel vaguely responsible somehow. I’m just praying that if it turns out you don’t like Trouble with Girls that Gerard Jones will be okay with you saying so.

Seriously, though, I can think of dozens of instances online, many of them right here at CBR, where a fan and a pro got into an argument that turned into a train wreck. It’s turning into a spectator sport that, personally, I really think comics can live without. But the genie’s out of the bottle now, I doubt it’s going away.

“I’d be totally okay with a girl Spectre if she kept the goatee.”

Kept it where?

I’m thrilled to read the actual continuation of the story behind one of these mails! (Usually the exchange itself is the last I ever hear.) And I had to laugh at Tiffany’s coming back with actual permission when you didn’t expect it! I tend to give limited permission for such things because when I started out I was writing fan fiction (though I always point out at talks, in my best old lady voice, “We didn’t have an Internet, and we didn’t call it fan fiction! We called it Star Trek stories, and Tolkein stories, and we were glad to have ‘em!). I think it’s a great way for writers to edge into writing big projects, when creating worlds and characters can be intimidating to a beginner.

If it helps, I was a fan of the Sons of the Tiger and the Daughters of the Dragon back in the Seventies, too–it’s why I jumped at the chance to do Angela’s White Tiger. I remembered Hector’s appearance on the scene, to the point that Bendis’s treatment of his end left me devastated. Working with Angela just seemed like fate. I spent a month on eBay getting copies of all of the Deadly Hands issues I didn’t have so Tim could see what I was talking about. (And I’m still trying to think of a way to winkle Blackbyrd into things, but he’s got to be kinda old now.)

We were relieved to stay out of Civil War, too. It was just too big for new writers like us, with too many characters to keep track of. Better to stage all this before, in the space between the end of the Bendis arcs and the beginning of Civil War.

The funny thing about my site, and about coverage on SheroesCentral, is that these are things I’ve had for years. All of my fans know about them and know to check my site for current news, because we update (Tim isn’t just my co-writer, he’s my webguy) everything often. I originally made it so complete so even if I fell behind answering fan mail, at least the fans with school reports could get most of their answers from the site!

Though I do think I should say something about my fans, and the kinds of writing they expect from me. They may like unicorns and fairies, but that’s not what they get from me, unless the unicorns are killers. My winged horses have fangs and claws. My girls kick serious ass. Ask Tiffany. I’m not surprised she liked White Tiger. She’s used to my girls jousting, fighting on battlefields, blasting ships with lightning, ripping bad guys to pieces with thread, and most recently, wading into bar brawls armed with a baton and attitude. I would have been surprised if Tiffany didn’t like Angela–she’ll LOVE what Angela does to Eddie!

Thanks for the good props, both on my conduct as a writer and on Tim’s and my writing of White Tiger. I hope you like the rest of the arc!

Tammy Pierce

This was an awesome post, Greg. Big ups to you for hooking the kid up with comics.

I’m just glad we actually got to hear the reaction of an actual targeted fan, instead of just secondhand accounts of what some existing, adult comic reader thinks the actual targeted fan’s reaction will be. That type of stuff is way too rare. We can all offer opinions on what books will or won’t appeal to new readers, whether continuity will or won’t turn them off, but that’s all they are: opinions. Guesses. A reflection of our own expectations and desires, not of reality.

Make sure you tell Tiffany that her review is helping other people decide whether or not to get the book…

Great post, Greg!

RE: Creating new female versions of male superheroes.

This bothers me only because there are so few truly original superheroines; heroines that aren’t based on male counterparts. Supergirl, Spider-Woman, Batgirl, She-Hulk, and so on. How many truly original superheroines are there that have truly become “big names”. Wonder Woman, of course. Storm should take a long leave of absence from the X-Men to star in her own on-going. Marvel Girl/Phoenix. Catwoman.

Anyhoo…

You totally rock for encouraging kids to create. Well done.

“some people are assholes – happens all the time in real life as well.”

No, not nearly as much as it does on the net.

Now that Ms. Pierce herself has shown up, I’m waiting for that ironic moment when she and a fan (or possibly Mr. Burgas) get into a shouting match in this very forum. Let the games begin!

Wow. Thank you so much, Greg. I’d been having a truly miserable day, and this just brightened it all around.

Tamora, your good cheer here plus Greg’s comments and the pictures made yourself a sale. As another old-time White Tiger fan, now I’m curious enough to go check it all out. Good wishes with the series, and all that.

First, both Greg and Ms Pierce totally rule for their parts in allowing us to share this really nice story. Thanks!

Secondly, as an employee of a giant bookstore chain, I’m nodding my head to Greg’s point about the marketing angle; Tamora Pierce books are popular items and I figure we would love to do some cross-promoting of product in the store, esp if her name was highly visible on the front of the White Tiger collection.

And thirdly, this new White Tiger series is really quite good and if anyone’s thinking about checking it out, please do. It’s a dense read, with lots of fun scenes, sports an interesting lead character and is respectful of both the material’s origins and the other characters that appear.

Whoa–if you think that Tammy Pierce will get into a shouting match with her fans, you are backing the wrong dogfight. No one treats her fans with as much kindness and respect as Ms. TP.

Jane Yolen

::blushing:: Thank you, Jane!

I don’t get into shouting matches with fans. We talk things through. I do my best to get at what the fan doesn’t like when s/he doesn’t like something, and I respond with my reasons for doing as I did. At a certain point, should it become clear we’re not going to agree, I back off. It’s simple procedure, and it saves me headaches. I can’t expect everyone to love what I do, which is really just as well, because everybody doesn’t.

Then I go home and whine. Privately.

But I find that if you speak intelligently with most people, they will speak intelligently in return. Then you have a decent conversation instead of a shrieking match.

Trolls are different, of course, and after a point (I will get a tad sharp) I ignore them. Life is too short.

I’ve been rude myself, and I can be nasty. But picking on fans isn’t right.

That was just wonderful. Bravo Ms. Pierce for your good will, bravo young Tiffany for your creativity, and bravo Greg for bringing a smile to my face with such a great story.

Tamora Pierce, the email to the student was very classy. I liked the first two issues of White Tiger, and that anecdote made me like them more.

I’m impressed with Tiffany’s ambition and willingness to even ask for permission from Ms. Pierce. Isn’t wonderful to see someone use such youthful exuberance and simplicity of thought (“Oh, I need permission? Okay, I’ll just go and ask for it!”) and have it result in such a positive experience?

To that end, thank you Tamora Pierce for demonstrating the class, the respect and the trust in Tiffany and in Greg in this matter.

Hooray! Tamora Pierce’s work is the reason I’ve ordered this book. She’s an excellent author and writes great role models for adolescent girls; I think I’ve gushed at you about her stuff before, Greg. ^_~ She’s the one guest that made me go AAAAGH about not being able to do SDCC anymore.

Awesome on Tiffany for having the gumption to not only write and ask, but follow up and DO it, and awesome on Mrs. Pierce for replying and letting her.

I, too, am impressed by Tiffany’s initiative and bravery. I hope she keeps it up.

I didn’t really expect a shouting match. I was making a joke. Bombed, sorry.

Veghead – naw, Tammy doesn’t get into shouting matches w/fans!

She gets into them w/patronizing male writers – as both Jane Yolen and I can attest…. ;)

Best,
Tim Liebe
Tammy’s co-writer – and Dreaded Spouse-Creature

Kudos all around — to Tiffany and Tammy and Greg — for this great tale.

Now pardon me while I comment on a sidebar to this thread …
I wouldn’t say Roy Thomas crapped on original JSA heroes. He didn’t kill off the old WIldcat, Dr. Mid-Nite or Hourman to create the new. They were still around in some form. Infinity Inc. was, like the current-day JSA, very much about the legacies of families and of the original super-team. I liked Yolanda and Dr. Beth Chappell and they deserved better. (Rick, of course, is still with us.)

And Christopher wrote: “There are so few truly original superheroines; heroines that aren’t based on male counterparts … that have truly become ‘big names.’ Wonder Woman, of course. Storm should take a long leave of absence from the X-Men to star in her own on-going. Marvel Girl/Phoenix. Catwoman.”

To that list, I would argue for Black Canary. Who did what no other female character from decades ago except Wonder Woman did: consistently hang with the big boys and last into the 21st century. (Catwoman’s older, of course, but until the ’90s she was just a Bat-villain, not her own protagonist. And as a Bat-villain, you could make a decent argument that she was a distaff Batman, not unlike Batwoman or Batgirl, but on the other side of the law.)

Tamora Pierce has been a class act author ever since her first YA novel, Alanna: The First Adventure was published. I was a beginning librarian back then, and I’ve been a fan of hers from that time (I hate to date both of us, but it’s been more than 20 years). I have booktalked her books over the years, and she doesn’t just appeal to girls. Some of her most rabid fans in my libraries have been young teen boys who don’t care that the main characters are (mostly) very strong and strong-minded young women. Alanna is a girl who doesn’t want the usual life for a woman in her world, she wants to become a knight. So she disguises herself as a boy and endures the physically grueling life of a page. Pierce’s most recent character is Beka Cooper, a 16-year-old girl who spent her early years on the mean streets of Corus, a medieval town in Pierce’s world, Tortall. The protegee of the Lord who commands the Provost’s Dogs – the police force of Corus – Beka becomes a Puppy, a trainee. She does indeed wade into a barroom brawl with her baton and accounts very well for herself, she also works with the two veteran Dogs to work on two mysteries that plague the poor side of the city where they patrol. Pierce’s Tortall is a fully-realized world, her main characters are people I really want to know, and she carries a lot of that into her comics writing. White Tiger is a very good comic, and if Marvel is really smart (though I have to wonder sometimes), they will do right by this character.

The kids and teens who love Pierce and other excellent fantasy writers (Jane Yolen is another of my personal faves) tend to be intelligent, creative, enthusiastic young people who make us adults who work with them marvel at their energy and joy. Kids and teens who love comics (American and manga) tend to be intelligent and creative and want to express themselves in art and stories that librarians and teachers would do well to encourage. Kudos to Greg Hatcher for what he does.

This has indeed been a fun, uplifting thread to read, especially for me since I’ve felt so let down by writers and fan’s attitudes in recent times. So thanks to Greg, Tamara and everyone else involved.

There have been other book writers who have come into the comics market, and the results have often been less than satisfactory to me. I was going to ignore the new White Tiger series, but this article has convinced me to give it a try (assuming it’s available on newstands around here.)

One thing no one has pointed out yet: White Tiger is one of the few Puerto Rican superheroes ever (created outside of the island, that is.) I’m Puerto Rican myself, and, while not obsessive about it, I’m certainly curious about how such characters are treated. Sadly, I discovered WT only after the series he starred in was cancelled. Since then, he’s had his whole family massacred, was framed for murder and was shot dead by the police in the end. Though I understand the points Bendis was trying to make, I still felt like this was an abuse of an already tragic character. Angela now has the potential of becoming the most notable Puerto Rican heroine in comics, and I’m certainly curious about how she’ll do.

I hadn’t heard of Tamora Pierce until a marvel podcast I downloaded and I’ll be picking up the books. She and her husband both sound like a hoot! One thing about it, I think Marvel’s use of the podcast is showing some initiative, they just need to advertise the podcasts a little more.

I’ve known of Tamora Pierce for a very long time. My daughters introduced me to her books while she was still completing the Lyoness quartet—and I’ve been an avid reader ever since. I’ve worked both as a children’s librarian, and as an asst. manager for a large bookstore chain, and she has some of the best young adult books around. Initially, the bookstore chain carried little of her work… but I pushed for more. I’m happy to say that both that chain and their big competitor now have a decent-sized Tamora Pierce section, and I’d like to think I did something to help that along. (Hope so! I sure tried!)

While her books obviously appeal to many young girls (since often the protagonist is a young girl), they actually have cross-gender appeal as well… but since bookstores and librarians don’t often steer boys to them, boys rarely try them. Several of her books feature boys *and* girls as protagonists, and her Numair book will star a young male mage with a price on his head.

By the same token, in the comics world, girls are rarely steered toward superhero/action comics, unless it’s an obvious female title like Wonder Woman. It’s time we stopped typecasting what girls and boys should read based on their gender, and started pointing them to *good* stuff, regardless of the lead character’s gender. It’s also time we stopped assuming that children who understand “good work,” whether it’s in comics or in books, will be unwilling and uninterested in crossing over from one type to the other.

As to Tamora’s behavior, having read as much of her notes and bios as I can find, as well as her books, I agree unequivocally with Ms. Yolen (another fine author in her own right): Nasty squabbling in any venue, internet or not, is not Tamora’s style. From what I understand, she lives by the principle of “What goes around, comes around—therefore, put your best forward as often as you can… and think before you put out your worst.” :D

I am not surprised by her permission to Tiffany. She is the type of person who cares about her fans, is aware that many of them are kids, and does all she can to encourage them in their own endeavors. In fact, one of the main themes in *all* her books is that you don’t have to be old, or even adult, in order to do your part in making the world a better place.

Bravo, Tiffany! Bravo, Greg! and Bravo, Tamora! (And Tamora, if you read this, I have to say that I know Greg Hatcher personally… and he’s the kind of art teacher I wish my children had had: thoughtful, kind, and always encouraging the children to reach for new goals, and never accepting an “I can’t.”)

Sincerely,
C Allen

Greg, I actually got a little teary-eyed when I read the part when Tiffany comes back with permission from Tamora. It’s moments like that when I really miss being a teacher.

As for the whole creators and fans bridge we have in comics, I’ve been thinking lately about this and how different it is from almost all other media. We know not just about shifts in writers and artists, but when editors move companies (and sometimes within a company), it makes headlines. I’m not sure that kind of knowledge is as readily available and discussed in other mediums.

Great story.

Did Tiffany ever end up getting the comics herself? Or did she have to use the teacher as the intermediary to get her the comics?

It’s sad that comics aren’t more available for kids to get ahold of.

The only lamentable element of this really sweet story.

Ian

Tessana/Murdock's Girl

December 13, 2006 at 9:34 am

Ahh, I am coming at this from a different perspective, being a neophyte compared to you Mr.Hatcher. I was ecstatic to see Del Toro’s story continue on outside of the Daredevil universe. Tamora Pierce? I was wondering who this woman is, and checked out her website. While I got a good 10 years above the fan base she is targeting, I was seriously worried about WT.
Then I read it and totally fell in love. This story is just one of the greatest little bits about the fandom. Kudos to you for encouraging Tiffany’s desire to read the book.
I also would like to second, third and forth your statement about putting this book with the rest of Ms. Pierce’s series in the correct section with HUGE letters on it. You are right, this is the answer to Minx (sigh, I STILL HATE THAT NAME!) and I think Ms. Pierce should lead the charge with WT, and I would love for someone to bring back Echo (outside of New Avengers) and fill in more of her past etc.

Thank you for the story, this column (and stories like this) is what makes the internet fandom great- and out weighs all the negatives. :)

What a great story, sounds like me when I was young and in school.

I think it is amazing that the girl showed you, and got the permission, and it is nice to see a creator so accessible.

Had it been Joss Whedon or Mark Millar or Brian Bendis, I really couldn’t see this all happening. I really have to give credit to Tamora for making herself so accessible to her fans, and because of this she may get ragged on every now and then because those trolls know they can bait her and she will respond.

Bravo Tiffany and Tamora.

(and although I disagreed completely with your Civil War comments Tamora, I still believe you are a talented and engagin person that people should definitely watch out for. Nice to have a woman in comics that stands up for women at least)

Any post where both Tamora Pierce and Jane Yolen show up is a childhood dream come true for me. Way awesome!

hello rory

Comics should be funny and bacicly FUNNY
i think you rory are a 37 year old X-English Teacher used to work at Pent Valley T college you were the the best teacher I have ever had and they all miss you but not as much as i do POETry MY ARSE LOL from miss Kayleigh Marie Reeves .

interesting im not sure if i’ll like it but i will try it i’m the BIGGEST fan of tamora Piece and i have read all her books so im sure this comic is good!

now thats somthing cool to read read do they sell them in your local library?…

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