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	<title>Comments on: Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #82</title>
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		<title>By: ParanoidObsessive</title>
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		<dc:creator>ParanoidObsessive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; Have you listened to it lately?  Loved when I was young, but personally, I donâ€™t think Webberâ€™s love of the synth has aged so well.

It isn&#039;t the synth that has aged poorly, but the world which has grown cynical and joyless, and forgotten how to appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Have you listened to it lately?  Loved when I was young, but personally, I donâ€™t think Webberâ€™s love of the synth has aged so well.</p>
<p>It isn't the synth that has aged poorly, but the world which has grown cynical and joyless, and forgotten how to appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Maurer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Maurer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plans for a Batman musical were originally announced in &#039;75 or &#039;76 by Bob Kane in an appearance on the Joe Franklim TV show, but he said it was going to be done in Las Vegas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plans for a Batman musical were originally announced in '75 or '76 by Bob Kane in an appearance on the Joe Franklim TV show, but he said it was going to be done in Las Vegas.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Knight Of The Soul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dark Knight Of The Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to let you all know, this has been &quot;published&quot; (and linked to this URL) on the Batman: The Musical &quot;memorial&quot; site which is linked in that entry. Thanks for the mention, there are also about 3 - 5 new articles that have been added (including a new (and misleading) one that had come out this year)

Super-hero &amp; Steinman-related, Jim also wrote the theme song for the &#039;94 movie with Alec Baldwin and Tim Curry, &quot;The Shadow&quot;. &quot;Original Sin&quot; performed by Taylor Dayne, even some lines are recycled in Batman&#039;s &quot;The Graveyard Shift&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to let you all know, this has been "published" (and linked to this URL) on the Batman: The Musical "memorial" site which is linked in that entry. Thanks for the mention, there are also about 3 - 5 new articles that have been added (including a new (and misleading) one that had come out this year)</p>
<p>Super-hero &amp; Steinman-related, Jim also wrote the theme song for the '94 movie with Alec Baldwin and Tim Curry, "The Shadow". "Original Sin" performed by Taylor Dayne, even some lines are recycled in Batman's "The Graveyard Shift"</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Dec 2006 04:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe no one went and fixed the Wikipedia entry for Lobo. That&#039;s how Wikipedia work, y&#039;all. :) I&#039;ve updated the entry.

PS - Great entry, Brian! Love the series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't believe no one went and fixed the Wikipedia entry for Lobo. That's how Wikipedia work, y'all. <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I've updated the entry.</p>
<p>PS - Great entry, Brian! Love the series.</p>
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		<title>By: Thenodrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thenodrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to see a Batman musical, especially if written by Steinman.

A few years ago a friend of mine talked me into watching a sci fi musical on DVD.  She said it was very &quot;Shadowrun-ish&quot;.  About half way through, I asked if it was written by Steinman, and she didn&#039;t know the name.  But, it was.

His music really lent to the setting.  And, I think it would lend well to Batman also.

Theno</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd love to see a Batman musical, especially if written by Steinman.</p>
<p>A few years ago a friend of mine talked me into watching a sci fi musical on DVD.  She said it was very "Shadowrun-ish".  About half way through, I asked if it was written by Steinman, and she didn't know the name.  But, it was.</p>
<p>His music really lent to the setting.  And, I think it would lend well to Batman also.</p>
<p>Theno</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/12/21/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-82/comment-page-1/#comment-29918</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 19:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s weird that I had not had a Batman urban legend since JUNE, and now I had two in back-to-back weeks!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's weird that I had not had a Batman urban legend since JUNE, and now I had two in back-to-back weeks!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob Schamberger said â€¦

&quot;Wasnâ€™t there a comic in the 40â€™s that was handed out as a freebie to black people about STDâ€™s, that was named after the protagonist? I remember Scott Shaw! doing an article on that.&quot; 

That&#039;s LITTLE WILLIE from 1949, a comic that was written and drawn with the intention of starring black characters.  However, the colorist colored Willie and the rest of the cast with white skin.  

http://www.oddballcomics.com/article.php?story=archive2001-01-16</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob Schamberger said â€¦</p>
<p>"Wasnâ€™t there a comic in the 40â€™s that was handed out as a freebie to black people about STDâ€™s, that was named after the protagonist? I remember Scott Shaw! doing an article on that." </p>
<p>That's LITTLE WILLIE from 1949, a comic that was written and drawn with the intention of starring black characters.  However, the colorist colored Willie and the rest of the cast with white skin.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.oddballcomics.com/article.php?story=archive2001-01-16" rel="nofollow">http://www.oddballcomics.com/article.php?story=archive2001-01-16</a></p>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;â€œâ€¦ a superstitious, cowardly lot.â€

Thatâ€™s absolutely my favorite episode of Batman Beyond.&lt;/i&gt;

I never caught the opening of that episode on TV.  However, thanks to the miracle of YouTube:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSeJsXa6hJ8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Batman: The Musical&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>â€œâ€¦ a superstitious, cowardly lot.â€</p>
<p>Thatâ€™s absolutely my favorite episode of Batman Beyond.</i></p>
<p>I never caught the opening of that episode on TV.  However, thanks to the miracle of YouTube:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSeJsXa6hJ8" rel="nofollow">Batman: The Musical</a></p>
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		<title>By: R.Nav</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.Nav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1965? Hell, in 1965 there was still a sign at the limits of Garland Texas that read, &quot;N* don&#039;t let the sun fall on you in this town&quot; I bring this up because I can totally see a comic book with a black hero on the cover to be refused at the distributor level. It&#039;s a damn shame, and it took TOO LONG for things to change (and haven&#039;t changed enough IMO). But yea.. Black Western? Newstands wouldn&#039;t have carried it due to either their own rascism, or fear of reprisal.

*(I self-censored because I didn&#039;t want to insult anyone overly sensative to it&#039;s use, even in a historical context)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1965? Hell, in 1965 there was still a sign at the limits of Garland Texas that read, "N* don't let the sun fall on you in this town" I bring this up because I can totally see a comic book with a black hero on the cover to be refused at the distributor level. It's a damn shame, and it took TOO LONG for things to change (and haven't changed enough IMO). But yea.. Black Western? Newstands wouldn't have carried it due to either their own rascism, or fear of reprisal.</p>
<p>*(I self-censored because I didn't want to insult anyone overly sensative to it's use, even in a historical context)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 01:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, now that I think of it, I bet a genuinely good comic opera could be based on Mad Love, about the Joker and Harley Quinn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, now that I think of it, I bet a genuinely good comic opera could be based on Mad Love, about the Joker and Harley Quinn.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that Batman musical would be &quot;Fabio, Dark Phantom Knight Of The Gotham Opera&quot;, some barechested man-hunk with out-of-style flowing hair, acting all angsty in dramatic lighting.

A far better Batman musical would probably come from a combination of Dini, Timm, and the guys who did Avenue Q (as long as they didn&#039;t write it too much as making fun of geeks.)

Instead of &quot;Riddler on the Roof&quot;, the could call it &quot;Riddler on the Hoof&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that Batman musical would be "Fabio, Dark Phantom Knight Of The Gotham Opera", some barechested man-hunk with out-of-style flowing hair, acting all angsty in dramatic lighting.</p>
<p>A far better Batman musical would probably come from a combination of Dini, Timm, and the guys who did Avenue Q (as long as they didn't write it too much as making fun of geeks.)</p>
<p>Instead of "Riddler on the Roof", the could call it "Riddler on the Hoof".</p>
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		<title>By: John McDonagh</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McDonagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 21:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another urban legend that popped into my head

The first visual depiction outside of the comics of the death of Thomas and Martha Wayne was in Galactic Guardians Super Powers.

True

This episode also had the Scarecrow in it, similar to Batman Begins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another urban legend that popped into my head</p>
<p>The first visual depiction outside of the comics of the death of Thomas and Martha Wayne was in Galactic Guardians Super Powers.</p>
<p>True</p>
<p>This episode also had the Scarecrow in it, similar to Batman Begins.</p>
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		<title>By: Benday-Dot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benday-Dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 19:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey... I don&#039;t know if this is the correct way to submit new legend ideas to you, but maybe you could get to the bottom of this insane rumour, or bit of truth... 

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=156672&amp;page=3 

Check out post #32, from the above thread on CBR&#039;s own classic comics forum. Was Vince Colletta a pimp in the 50&#039;s... owned by the mob? Love your look at legends of the comic book field!

B-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey... I don't know if this is the correct way to submit new legend ideas to you, but maybe you could get to the bottom of this insane rumour, or bit of truth... </p>
<p><a href="http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=156672&amp;page=3" rel="nofollow">http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=156672&amp;page=3</a> </p>
<p>Check out post #32, from the above thread on CBR's own classic comics forum. Was Vince Colletta a pimp in the 50's... owned by the mob? Love your look at legends of the comic book field!</p>
<p>B-D</p>
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		<title>By: Tag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 17:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pack said (quoting Wikipedia), &lt;i&gt;recordings of the score have surfaced&lt;/i&gt;

Got any links to those online?  I relish the cringe factor.  Links to songs from the Superman musical would be awesome, too.

Now wasn&#039;t there also a Spider-Man musical at some point, too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pack said (quoting Wikipedia), <i>recordings of the score have surfaced</i></p>
<p>Got any links to those online?  I relish the cringe factor.  Links to songs from the Superman musical would be awesome, too.</p>
<p>Now wasn't there also a Spider-Man musical at some point, too?</p>
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		<title>By: Max Eisenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Eisenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen a production of the Superman musical and it was quite a lot of fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen a production of the Superman musical and it was quite a lot of fun!</p>
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		<title>By: The Mad Monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mad Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Batman Musical

It wouldn&#039;t be the first...and I don&#039;t mean the Captain America production...
There WAS a Superman musical.
Check it out here...
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/other/other.php?topic=w-broadway

Enjoy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Batman Musical</p>
<p>It wouldn't be the first...and I don't mean the Captain America production...<br />
There WAS a Superman musical.<br />
Check it out here...<br />
<a href="http://www.supermanhomepage.com/other/other.php?topic=w-broadway" rel="nofollow">http://www.supermanhomepage.com/other/other.php?topic=w-broadway</a></p>
<p>Enjoy</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Whitmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Whitmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 11:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Have you listened to it lately?

Loved when I was young, but personally, I donâ€™t think Webberâ€™s love of the synth has aged so well.&quot;


I actually heard it for the first time last year. It&#039;s possible I&#039;ll stop loving it years from now too, but that isn&#039;t the case yet. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Have you listened to it lately?</p>
<p>Loved when I was young, but personally, I donâ€™t think Webberâ€™s love of the synth has aged so well."</p>
<p>I actually heard it for the first time last year. It's possible I'll stop loving it years from now too, but that isn't the case yet. <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sean Whitmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Whitmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 11:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wonder what other Steinman back-catalogue trawling is going on in there?&quot;

Are you kidding? The man&#039;s turned cannibalizing his earlier work into an artform. Half the songs in Meat Loaf&#039;s catalogue were written by Steinman for himself or another artist to sing first. 

&quot;Dance of the Vampires&quot; could have been a Steinman Best-Of album. 

&quot;Bat Out of Hell III&quot; could have been titles &quot;Meat Loaf sings old Steinman songs that were written for someone else.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I wonder what other Steinman back-catalogue trawling is going on in there?"</p>
<p>Are you kidding? The man's turned cannibalizing his earlier work into an artform. Half the songs in Meat Loaf's catalogue were written by Steinman for himself or another artist to sing first. </p>
<p>"Dance of the Vampires" could have been a Steinman Best-Of album. </p>
<p>"Bat Out of Hell III" could have been titles "Meat Loaf sings old Steinman songs that were written for someone else."</p>
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		<title>By: GarBut</title>
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		<dc:creator>GarBut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 04:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. Steinman/Batman: I have not yet listened to the sound files, but I scanned the lyrics and noticed that the chorus to the Catwoman&#039;s first song--which goes, &quot;I need all the love I can get/And I need all the love that I can&#039;t get to(o)&quot;--is directly cribbed from a circa-1990 song that Steinman cowrote with The Sisters of Mercy, called &quot;More&quot; (album, &quot;Vision Thing&quot;). I wonder what other Steinman back-catalogue trawling is going on in there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. Steinman/Batman: I have not yet listened to the sound files, but I scanned the lyrics and noticed that the chorus to the Catwoman's first song--which goes, "I need all the love I can get/And I need all the love that I can't get to(o)"--is directly cribbed from a circa-1990 song that Steinman cowrote with The Sisters of Mercy, called "More" (album, "Vision Thing"). I wonder what other Steinman back-catalogue trawling is going on in there?</p>
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		<title>By: GarBut</title>
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		<dc:creator>GarBut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 04:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. Steinman/Batman: I have not yet listened to the sound files, but I scanned the lyrics and noticed that the chorus to the Catwoman&#039;s first song--which goes, &quot;I need all the love I can get/And I need all the love that I can&#039;t get to(o)&quot;--is directly cribbed from a circa-1990 song that Seinman cowrote with The Sisters of Mercy, called &quot;More&quot; (album, &quot;Vision Thing&quot;). I wonder what other Steinman back-catalogue trawling is going on in there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. Steinman/Batman: I have not yet listened to the sound files, but I scanned the lyrics and noticed that the chorus to the Catwoman's first song--which goes, "I need all the love I can get/And I need all the love that I can't get to(o)"--is directly cribbed from a circa-1990 song that Seinman cowrote with The Sisters of Mercy, called "More" (album, "Vision Thing"). I wonder what other Steinman back-catalogue trawling is going on in there?</p>
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