That's not far off. I'm convinced that if an average artists had drawn his Tim Sale stuff then people wouldn't thing they were nearly as well written.

Nothing else I can think of could be called anything above average.

As pointed out earlier the big exception is Challengers of the Unknown which is great.

I think he'd probably be good for the industry and bring in a lot of new readers, but he personally wouldn't be good for me.

I get the impression he's not a fan of a lot of the Marvel stuff I am a fan of and vice versa.

Honestly, I get the impression that he's not much of a fan of superheroes at all.

As for the things he's actually had a hand in (JMS on ASM, Jenkins/Millar/Hudlin on Spidey, Hudlin on BP, X-statix, a lot of the other Marvel Knights titles, etc), weren't for me.

And his comments always seem to rub me the wrong way.

I think it comes down to the fact that I can appreciate what he wants to do, but it's not what I want to see, if that makes any sense.

His idea of telling a good story is by stuffing as many guest stars as he can. He's basically the Michael Bay of comics.

I think he occasionally has good ideas and it takes someone like Sale to make something out of them. I can't think of one sustained project he did without Sale (including Hush, which was basically an excuse for Jim Lee to draw everything in the Bat-verse without any of it having any sort of meaning) that I enjoyed, going all the way back to his work on X-Force.

Right now he's one of two or three guys who seem on track to become editor-in-chief at Marvel and it scares the crap out of me (Alonso would scare me more though).

The Long Halloween and Dark Victory were fun reads.

The people here don’t like Jeph Loeb.

There are two reasons for this:

(1) Failure to understand the comics medium even a teensy little bit.

(2) Crack.

It's not crack. It's LSD. I mean, no it isn't.

And I liked a Loeb comic, once. It was Batman/Spirit. I blame Darwyn Cooke.

But normally, Loeb comics make my eyes want to explode in protest. And I like my eyes, even if they are near-sighted.

I liked the Long Halloween, but everything else I've read by that man is just offensively bad.

But then I'm from the UK, where we have higher standards when it comes to comic book writing.

I've never enjoyed a Jeph Loeb comic very much to my memory--not my thing. But Heroes is pretty goddam awful.

When you talk in this vitriolic, hyperbolic nerd-speak, it makes it impossible for me to give your arguments any sort of consideration or validity.

That goes for everyone.

Also, is Heroes really as good as the hype? I haven't had a chance to check it out, so I figured it would be something I'd catch during reruns or I'd borrow someone's DVDs.

I can understand why Identity Crisis is reviled (though I liked it...though I am disquieted by recent revelations of the climate around editorial when it came out). I get why Dan DiDio is hated. But Jeph Loeb as punching bag...no, that still puzzles me.

There are two reasons for this:

(1) Failure to understand the comics medium even a teensy little bit.

(2) Crack.

I actually prefer most of his comics stuff to what I've seen on Heroes (and I've watched every episode). Heroes is slow and tedius and without the Hiro character, almost unwatchable. Loeb's comics are fun, mostly.