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	<title>Comments on: Jumping On Points For Two Comics That Will Not Die (Part 2)</title>
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		<title>By: Rebis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it weird that DC would give Manhunter this (relatively) high-profile five-issue reprieve, while simultaneously releasing another trade, then announce cancellation of the series just days after the second issue of the do-or-die reprieve goes on sale?  I mean, they can&#039;t have sales figures in for last week&#039;s comics yet, can they? From what I read, sales of #26 were up more than 50 percent. So what gives, DC? Shouldn&#039;t you wait a little longer to see if this guest-star-laden arc has legs? (Talk about stunt casting! Wonder Woman, Batman, Blue Beetle ... jeez, all they&#039;re missing are the android Hourman and Ambush Bug! And maybe Brother Power the Geek.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it weird that DC would give Manhunter this (relatively) high-profile five-issue reprieve, while simultaneously releasing another trade, then announce cancellation of the series just days after the second issue of the do-or-die reprieve goes on sale?  I mean, they can&#8217;t have sales figures in for last week&#8217;s comics yet, can they? From what I read, sales of #26 were up more than 50 percent. So what gives, DC? Shouldn&#8217;t you wait a little longer to see if this guest-star-laden arc has legs? (Talk about stunt casting! Wonder Woman, Batman, Blue Beetle &#8230; jeez, all they&#8217;re missing are the android Hourman and Ambush Bug! And maybe Brother Power the Geek.)</p>
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		<title>By: Loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As far as factual accuracy, I checked over at Suspension of Disbelief, and Loren didnâ€™t seem to be tearing it to shreds or anything, so I guess it passes the test... Of course, my eyes glaze over after any extended period of time reading anything about stautes and what not, so maybe I missed it.&lt;/i&gt;

Nope, you didn&#039;t miss anything.  But if you&#039;d posted a couple of hours later I&#039;d have had &lt;a href=&quot;http://comicfacts.blogspot.com/2007/01/manhunter-27-wonder-womans-grand-jury.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; up, explaining that while the basic conceit of the story (the US trying WW for murder) is on fairly solid ground, the actual courtroom scenes didn&#039;t bear even a passing resemblance to a real grand jury (as evidenced by the fact that real grand juries don&#039;t meet in courtrooms, for one).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As far as factual accuracy, I checked over at Suspension of Disbelief, and Loren didnâ€™t seem to be tearing it to shreds or anything, so I guess it passes the test&#8230; Of course, my eyes glaze over after any extended period of time reading anything about stautes and what not, so maybe I missed it.</i></p>
<p>Nope, you didn&#8217;t miss anything.  But if you&#8217;d posted a couple of hours later I&#8217;d have had <a href="http://comicfacts.blogspot.com/2007/01/manhunter-27-wonder-womans-grand-jury.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a> up, explaining that while the basic conceit of the story (the US trying WW for murder) is on fairly solid ground, the actual courtroom scenes didn&#8217;t bear even a passing resemblance to a real grand jury (as evidenced by the fact that real grand juries don&#8217;t meet in courtrooms, for one).</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Rice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EGG ON BRAD&#039;S FACE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EGG ON BRAD&#8217;S FACE!</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too late. Manhunter is cancelled with #30.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too late. Manhunter is cancelled with #30.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Karindu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar Karindu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, but one of the things that keeps me off of the comic is the knowledge that Andreyko rather gratuitously made sure to exterminate every bit of every prior &lt;I&gt;Manhunter&lt;/I&gt; series for a government conspiracy retcon.  As a fan of the Ostrander Manhunter stuff, that made sure I&#039;d avoid Kate Spencer.  My general boredom with the &quot;killer vigilante&quot; bit didn&#039;t help either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, but one of the things that keeps me off of the comic is the knowledge that Andreyko rather gratuitously made sure to exterminate every bit of every prior <i>Manhunter</i> series for a government conspiracy retcon.  As a fan of the Ostrander Manhunter stuff, that made sure I&#8217;d avoid Kate Spencer.  My general boredom with the &#8220;killer vigilante&#8221; bit didn&#8217;t help either.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He wasn&#039;t in Goodwin and Simonson&#039;s Manhunter, was he? Because I have read and adored that, so I&#039;ll feel dumb on some level if I missed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He wasn&#8217;t in Goodwin and Simonson&#8217;s Manhunter, was he? Because I have read and adored that, so I&#8217;ll feel dumb on some level if I missed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thereâ€™s also what looks like an ongoing sublpot with some guy Iâ€™ve never heard of named Mark Shaw, which seems to be referencing Azrael continuity.&quot;

shocked no ones pointed this out yet...Mark Shaw is one of the many former Manhunters.  Azrael hasnt been brought up yet, but he might be referenced next issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thereâ€™s also what looks like an ongoing sublpot with some guy Iâ€™ve never heard of named Mark Shaw, which seems to be referencing Azrael continuity.&#8221;</p>
<p>shocked no ones pointed this out yet&#8230;Mark Shaw is one of the many former Manhunters.  Azrael hasnt been brought up yet, but he might be referenced next issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Anun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Manhunter.  It&#039;s a superhero I really can relate to.  Her no-nonsense manner with a touch of sarcasm is great, and her costume is actually functional and covers her up.  And she&#039;s got a really interesting supporting cast too, which I think is the key to a good solo character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Manhunter.  It&#8217;s a superhero I really can relate to.  Her no-nonsense manner with a touch of sarcasm is great, and her costume is actually functional and covers her up.  And she&#8217;s got a really interesting supporting cast too, which I think is the key to a good solo character.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkAndrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkAndrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the first few issues of Manhunter.  

It&#039;s interesting.

Basically, if you were to distill everything I hate about modern superhero comics into it&#039;s purest form, you&#039;d have Manhunter.

Overly violent, based on a &quot;Legacy&quot; hero, (Read:  Fourty year old Fox/Schwartz concept repeated ad infinitum in lieu of having to think of new ideas) trying to jam us into some sorta gritty &quot;reality&quot; (Read:  Hi!  I&#039;m Marc however-I-spell-my-last-name and I read Watchmen!) while avioiding anything that might possibly evoke a sense of wonder...  And, ooohyeah, Infinite fucking Crisis tie-ins.  And the main character&#039;s kind of a bitch.  

It may have got better in the interum.  Lord knows it couldn&#039;t have got much worse.  But it&#039;s still a little disturbing to see how many comic fans have tastes which are completely opposite from mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the first few issues of Manhunter.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting.</p>
<p>Basically, if you were to distill everything I hate about modern superhero comics into it&#8217;s purest form, you&#8217;d have Manhunter.</p>
<p>Overly violent, based on a &#8220;Legacy&#8221; hero, (Read:  Fourty year old Fox/Schwartz concept repeated ad infinitum in lieu of having to think of new ideas) trying to jam us into some sorta gritty &#8220;reality&#8221; (Read:  Hi!  I&#8217;m Marc however-I-spell-my-last-name and I read Watchmen!) while avioiding anything that might possibly evoke a sense of wonder&#8230;  And, ooohyeah, Infinite fucking Crisis tie-ins.  And the main character&#8217;s kind of a bitch.  </p>
<p>It may have got better in the interum.  Lord knows it couldn&#8217;t have got much worse.  But it&#8217;s still a little disturbing to see how many comic fans have tastes which are completely opposite from mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ye Olde Iowa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ye Olde Iowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I know the point of this column is to look at the book from the perspective of just jumping in with the current issue, but like Rebis said, going back an issue will give you a lot more info on the status quo of the series and would serve as a better place for new readers to jump on.

I would recommend anyone interested to check out the first two trades, however.  This is a difficult series to jump into midway through an arc, but that is mostly because there is always a lot going on with various subplots and large cast of supporting characters.  However, once you get a handle of who everyone is and can look past the book defying many superhero conventions (particularly in its handling of a female protagonist), its one of the most enjoyable superhero books on the market.  Andreyko has such a great grasp of nearly every character that he writes (which is many, as the book is constantly riddled with guest stars) that I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if he gets a nod for a higher profile DC book when Manhunter concludes later this year.

Regardless, there are few books that I would give as high of a recommendation for as I would Manhunter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I know the point of this column is to look at the book from the perspective of just jumping in with the current issue, but like Rebis said, going back an issue will give you a lot more info on the status quo of the series and would serve as a better place for new readers to jump on.</p>
<p>I would recommend anyone interested to check out the first two trades, however.  This is a difficult series to jump into midway through an arc, but that is mostly because there is always a lot going on with various subplots and large cast of supporting characters.  However, once you get a handle of who everyone is and can look past the book defying many superhero conventions (particularly in its handling of a female protagonist), its one of the most enjoyable superhero books on the market.  Andreyko has such a great grasp of nearly every character that he writes (which is many, as the book is constantly riddled with guest stars) that I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if he gets a nod for a higher profile DC book when Manhunter concludes later this year.</p>
<p>Regardless, there are few books that I would give as high of a recommendation for as I would Manhunter.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair (which I realize you&#039;re not necessarily trying to be), a better comic to judge as a Manhunter jumping-on point would&#039;ve been last issue. The one with a dynamic (and T&amp;A gratuitous) cover featuring Wonder Woman and Manhunter (who fight in the woods, but that&#039;s because Manhunter asks for a training session). So you would&#039;ve (presumably) learned a lot more about Kate as you saw her in and out of costume.

Meanwhile, I&#039;ve not read the series from the beginning â€” the first issue I picked up featured Phobia torturing some poor hapless shirtless dude, in a disturbing yet somewhat erotic sequence (which I suppose might alarm all you &quot;DC&#039;s too rapey&quot; pundits, but hey, Phobia a kick-ass villain, so I dug it). Anyway, by then the series was already well into its teens, so I&#039;m not sure how Kate connects to the Manhunter lineage.

On the other hand, I do question Andreyko&#039;s choice, in this do-or-die arc, to toss in so many different subplots. Chase, Mark Shaw, Azrael, Blue Beetle now too â€” it&#039;s like he decided to toss everything plus DC&#039;s kitchen sink into this baby, in hopes of luring the several dozen fans of each of those C-list characters to boost sales just enough to keep Manhunter afloat. It seems like a bit too much. I&#039;m all for Chase; I would&#039;ve saved the Mark Shaw stuff for later, hoping that the series will actually be revived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair (which I realize you&#8217;re not necessarily trying to be), a better comic to judge as a Manhunter jumping-on point would&#8217;ve been last issue. The one with a dynamic (and T&amp;A gratuitous) cover featuring Wonder Woman and Manhunter (who fight in the woods, but that&#8217;s because Manhunter asks for a training session). So you would&#8217;ve (presumably) learned a lot more about Kate as you saw her in and out of costume.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I&#8217;ve not read the series from the beginning â€” the first issue I picked up featured Phobia torturing some poor hapless shirtless dude, in a disturbing yet somewhat erotic sequence (which I suppose might alarm all you &#8220;DC&#8217;s too rapey&#8221; pundits, but hey, Phobia a kick-ass villain, so I dug it). Anyway, by then the series was already well into its teens, so I&#8217;m not sure how Kate connects to the Manhunter lineage.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I do question Andreyko&#8217;s choice, in this do-or-die arc, to toss in so many different subplots. Chase, Mark Shaw, Azrael, Blue Beetle now too â€” it&#8217;s like he decided to toss everything plus DC&#8217;s kitchen sink into this baby, in hopes of luring the several dozen fans of each of those C-list characters to boost sales just enough to keep Manhunter afloat. It seems like a bit too much. I&#8217;m all for Chase; I would&#8217;ve saved the Mark Shaw stuff for later, hoping that the series will actually be revived.</p>
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