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	<title>Comments on: Speedball Fans, Unite!</title>
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		<title>By: MarkAndrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkAndrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, this sounds about twenty times funnier than Speedball ever was.  

*Snicker*</description>
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<p>*Snicker*</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian,

&quot;Having a super-hero change direction and his outlook on life (in a significant way) is an interesting, unexplored concept.&quot;  Really?  I&#039;m 52 years old, (which makes me older than Messrs. Quesada and Brevoort), and I remember when Barry Allen&#039;s &quot;The Flash&quot; was changed from a fun comic to another grim &amp; gritty type.  I remember being quite annoyed because at the time I was already getting my fill of angst in Marvel and DC comics (back then I bought every Marvel book except for the reprints &amp; &quot;Crazy&quot; and about 2/3rds of the DC books).  &quot;The Flash&quot; had been the title I relaxed with.  

No, I&#039;m not a Speedball fan, but I don&#039;t think much of what was done to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,</p>
<p>"Having a super-hero change direction and his outlook on life (in a significant way) is an interesting, unexplored concept."  Really?  I'm 52 years old, (which makes me older than Messrs. Quesada and Brevoort), and I remember when Barry Allen's "The Flash" was changed from a fun comic to another grim &amp; gritty type.  I remember being quite annoyed because at the time I was already getting my fill of angst in Marvel and DC comics (back then I bought every Marvel book except for the reprints &amp; "Crazy" and about 2/3rds of the DC books).  "The Flash" had been the title I relaxed with.  </p>
<p>No, I'm not a Speedball fan, but I don't think much of what was done to him.</p>
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		<title>By: yo go re</title>
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		<dc:creator>yo go re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 05:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robbie&#039;s Anti-Pennance Elevators</description>
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		<title>By: Taniwha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taniwha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penance is the hood ornament on the big crapmobile driving Marvel down the drain.</description>
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		<title>By: Evan Waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, Penance would be a bad idea even if it was a brand new character. I&#039;m actually amused by this particular darkening simply because it&#039;s so unintentionally silly. 

Not that I don&#039;t agree with the overall point. Unfortunately, it seems to be what the market dictates- the readers love grit and angst, and titles that try to avoid that often end up on the cancellation bubble. For some reason the Big Two can&#039;t consistently sustain a wide variety of titles- at any given moment they may be publishing something like SPIDER-MAN LOVES MARY JANE or GLA, but in the long term those titles have a hard time staying around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, Penance would be a bad idea even if it was a brand new character. I'm actually amused by this particular darkening simply because it's so unintentionally silly. </p>
<p>Not that I don't agree with the overall point. Unfortunately, it seems to be what the market dictates- the readers love grit and angst, and titles that try to avoid that often end up on the cancellation bubble. For some reason the Big Two can't consistently sustain a wide variety of titles- at any given moment they may be publishing something like SPIDER-MAN LOVES MARY JANE or GLA, but in the long term those titles have a hard time staying around.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i do miss the fun, full of wonder Marvel comics, yes I do.

Everything&#039;s way too street level now, because we have people in charge who grew up on Frank Miller&#039;s DD as the greatest thing a Marvel comic can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do miss the fun, full of wonder Marvel comics, yes I do.</p>
<p>Everything's way too street level now, because we have people in charge who grew up on Frank Miller's DD as the greatest thing a Marvel comic can be.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 03:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Iowa.  Having a super-hero change direction and his outlook on life (in a significant way) is an interesting, unexplored concept.  AND, it couldn&#039;t be done without using a pre-existing character.
So we&#039;re losing a fun character.  You know what, its not like he was being used anyway.  There are plenty of fun characters around, do we really need to get all upset over changing one? 

Oh, and the &quot;they&#039;re trying to look cool&quot; thing is just hysterical.  Again, there is plenty of goofiness being published in the last couple of years (the romance books, the monster books, GLA) that really shows how asinine that statement is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Iowa.  Having a super-hero change direction and his outlook on life (in a significant way) is an interesting, unexplored concept.  AND, it couldn't be done without using a pre-existing character.<br />
So we're losing a fun character.  You know what, its not like he was being used anyway.  There are plenty of fun characters around, do we really need to get all upset over changing one? </p>
<p>Oh, and the "they're trying to look cool" thing is just hysterical.  Again, there is plenty of goofiness being published in the last couple of years (the romance books, the monster books, GLA) that really shows how asinine that statement is.</p>
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		<title>By: Ye Olde Iowa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ye Olde Iowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Screw it, I really like the Penance idea and I really don&#039;t get why everyone is so quick to trash the change when they haven&#039;t even seen how it plays out.  Who knows, this new step for Baldwin could totally blow your mind and he could end up being one of your favorite character transformations. 

As far as the idea that &quot;every character is someone&#039;s favorite&quot; goes, if the editorial staffs at DC and Marvel used that as their motto and the creators adhered to it, comics would have gotten completely stale and the industry would have dried up a long time ago.  Not everyone is going to be happy with every change, but I can&#039;t imagine anyone being happy with character&#039;s that never changed or a shared universe where no characters die.  I&#039;m sure that may piss off the &quot;100 or so&quot; Speedball fans out there, but I&#039;ll take an ever-changing comics universe over a ever-static universe any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screw it, I really like the Penance idea and I really don't get why everyone is so quick to trash the change when they haven't even seen how it plays out.  Who knows, this new step for Baldwin could totally blow your mind and he could end up being one of your favorite character transformations. </p>
<p>As far as the idea that "every character is someone's favorite" goes, if the editorial staffs at DC and Marvel used that as their motto and the creators adhered to it, comics would have gotten completely stale and the industry would have dried up a long time ago.  Not everyone is going to be happy with every change, but I can't imagine anyone being happy with character's that never changed or a shared universe where no characters die.  I'm sure that may piss off the "100 or so" Speedball fans out there, but I'll take an ever-changing comics universe over a ever-static universe any day.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading comics since Krypto was a pup and I&#039;m pretty sure that Civil War #1 was the first comic I ever read with Speedball in it. I have enjoyed his story arc  in Frontline, while not actually enjoying the writing or art. I like the idea of Marvel destroying its most happy-go-lucky character. Somebody has to atone for the Civil War. It won&#039;t be Stark -- he has movies coming out. 

Penance is just such an icky concept, though. I grew up Catholic with all of the fetishing of the pain and the mortification and the flaggelation and it just oogs me out. 

I hope Venom eats him. That would be cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've been reading comics since Krypto was a pup and I'm pretty sure that Civil War #1 was the first comic I ever read with Speedball in it. I have enjoyed his story arc  in Frontline, while not actually enjoying the writing or art. I like the idea of Marvel destroying its most happy-go-lucky character. Somebody has to atone for the Civil War. It won't be Stark -- he has movies coming out. </p>
<p>Penance is just such an icky concept, though. I grew up Catholic with all of the fetishing of the pain and the mortification and the flaggelation and it just oogs me out. </p>
<p>I hope Venom eats him. That would be cool.</p>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you hit the nail on the head here; I&#039;m not angry about Speedball, I&#039;m angry about the entire trend of which Speedball is a tiny, insignificant, doofy part. No one of the recent tidal wave of C-list hero deaths/&quot;grim-eye-for-the-nice-guy&quot; makeovers is worth yelling over, but when you start looking at the list, it&#039;s just absurd. It feels like DC and Marvel have finally gotten to the point where they&#039;re cannibalizing their back-catalogue wholesale, just to keep jaded readers interested.

What I&#039;d like to see tattooed on the inside of the eyelids of Marvel and DC&#039;s editorial staff is: &quot;Everybody is someone&#039;s favorite character.&quot; Sure, there&#039;s only about 100 passionate and devoted fans of Speedball (or Pantha, or Air-Wave, or Animal Man, or Booster Gold, or Blue Beetle) out there, but when you can put them in as guest stars and get a hundred extra readers for that issue, why are you killing them off? You are a company in the business of intellectual property management; the real estate equivalent would be burning down a warehouse because it &quot;gets people paying attention.&quot;

But, obviously, I&#039;m not a member of the editorial staff involved, and perhaps there&#039;s a payoff I&#039;m not seeing. (I put this sentence in mainly to be polite--I see exactly what the payoff is. It&#039;s emotional. Marvel and DC are making these decisions because they want to demonstrate that they can do serious, mature, grown up comics; it&#039;s a business practice based almost entirely on ego. They are, in essence, scuttling their publishing business to show the guys who picked on them in high school that comics aren&#039;t just for babies.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you hit the nail on the head here; I'm not angry about Speedball, I'm angry about the entire trend of which Speedball is a tiny, insignificant, doofy part. No one of the recent tidal wave of C-list hero deaths/"grim-eye-for-the-nice-guy" makeovers is worth yelling over, but when you start looking at the list, it's just absurd. It feels like DC and Marvel have finally gotten to the point where they're cannibalizing their back-catalogue wholesale, just to keep jaded readers interested.</p>
<p>What I'd like to see tattooed on the inside of the eyelids of Marvel and DC's editorial staff is: "Everybody is someone's favorite character." Sure, there's only about 100 passionate and devoted fans of Speedball (or Pantha, or Air-Wave, or Animal Man, or Booster Gold, or Blue Beetle) out there, but when you can put them in as guest stars and get a hundred extra readers for that issue, why are you killing them off? You are a company in the business of intellectual property management; the real estate equivalent would be burning down a warehouse because it "gets people paying attention."</p>
<p>But, obviously, I'm not a member of the editorial staff involved, and perhaps there's a payoff I'm not seeing. (I put this sentence in mainly to be polite--I see exactly what the payoff is. It's emotional. Marvel and DC are making these decisions because they want to demonstrate that they can do serious, mature, grown up comics; it's a business practice based almost entirely on ego. They are, in essence, scuttling their publishing business to show the guys who picked on them in high school that comics aren't just for babies.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire Penance thing is such a transparent example of nerds trying to look cool that you just have to laugh.

So, for that matter, is &quot;Chick Ultron.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire Penance thing is such a transparent example of nerds trying to look cool that you just have to laugh.</p>
<p>So, for that matter, is "Chick Ultron."</p>
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		<title>By: LPMandrake</title>
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		<dc:creator>LPMandrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the sound of the Brad Curran Avengers Reign of Terror.</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speedball&#039;s Heroic Intervention Team

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		<title>By: Bill Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCROTUM - Speedball Comic Readers Opposing Transformation Under Marvel.

PRICK - Penace Really Is Crappy, Kinda.</description>
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<p>PRICK - Penace Really Is Crappy, Kinda.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Astheimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Astheimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 23:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Djurdjevic&#039;s Penance design, but I like acronyms even more.

Here&#039;re some options for the pending Robbie Baldwin Defense League:

PAP - People Against Penance

SNAP - Speedball&#039;s Not A Pervert

RIF&#039;D - Robbie Is Fun, Dammit!

BALLS - Baldwin&#039;s Army of Loyalists, Lovers, and Sympathizers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Djurdjevic's Penance design, but I like acronyms even more.</p>
<p>Here're some options for the pending Robbie Baldwin Defense League:</p>
<p>PAP - People Against Penance</p>
<p>SNAP - Speedball's Not A Pervert</p>
<p>RIF'D - Robbie Is Fun, Dammit!</p>
<p>BALLS - Baldwin's Army of Loyalists, Lovers, and Sympathizers</p>
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		<title>By: Dan K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree in theory. IN THEORY. But first I kinda want to see how Warren Ellis does Speedball in a Gimp Suit. Is that so very wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree in theory. IN THEORY. But first I kinda want to see how Warren Ellis does Speedball in a Gimp Suit. Is that so very wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Sleestak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sleestak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, a comic book company raped my ditkohood.</description>
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		<title>By: Johnny Bacardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Bacardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I get the Yelena Belova Black Widow added to this petition?</description>
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