CSBG Archive
Snark Free Corner for 1/22
Welcome to the latest installment of your breath of snark free air!
Enjoy!
COOL COMIC THINGS
Nostalgia is interesting, as it is often a lot of fun to look back at events of the past. However, there is a whole separate fun adjunct to nostalgia, which is the interest in events BEFORE people were popular – to look back at the people we enjoy now when they were not as popular. The vast amount of TV shows using the concept of “Before They Were Stars” is proof positive of our interest in this topic.
Therefore, a really interesting comic for to look back now is the 1980s comic from DC, New Talent Showcase, to see some of the comic creators who made their debuts in that series.
The first issue features art from Scott Hampton AND Tom Mandrake!

An auspicious debut, wouldn’t you say?
Later issues featured artwork by Norm Breyfogle, Steve Lightle, Mark Beachum, Shawn McManus, Karl Kesel (inks), Tom Grindberg, and Jim Fern (plus plenty more I forgot).
Plus Terry Shoemaker (as seen on this cover)…

and
Eric Shanower!

It certainly is cool to look back at these artists at a time when there was no difference to us readers between them and any of the other names of the artists in the New Talent Showcase.
SNARK FREE CHALLENGE
If Cyclops can see something, does that mean he can hit it with his optic blasts? In other words, can Cyclops actually miss a target?
COVER HOMAGE
One cool point to the first person who can tell me what comic book cover this Supreme Power: Nighthawk cover is homaging?

COOL COMIC BOOK ISSUES
John Byrne did a simply excellent job on Fantastic Four #267, an issue he wrote and drew.

The issue dealt with Sue Richards’ second pregnancy which, like her first, came with a health scare.
The first time around, the rest of the team had to travel to the Negative Zone to find something to help Sue. This time around, Reed had to simply find a single man to help him. The problem? That single man happened to be Dr. Otto Octavius, otherwise known as Dr. Octopus!
First, Reed does a good job convincing Otto to help (Octavius was in the midst of a mental breakdown via a defeat at the hands of Spider-Man)…


However, a billboard mentioning Spider-Man causes Dr. Octopus to snap back to form, leading to a confrontation between Reed and Octavius, which Byrne draws beautifully.
Finally, with the two at a stalemate, Reed challenges Otto the best way he can – by appealing to his ego…


Reed agrees to let him keep his arms, so long as helps Reed.
They dash to the hospital, but what they find there…



And finally, in a great last page turn…


What a gripping comic book – with a perfect combination of words and pictures to achieve emotion.
A very good comic book (even if one disagreed with the idea of Sue having a miscarriage).
COVER DEBUTS!
We know when most of our favorite superheroes made their cover debuts (almost always, it was on the cover of their first appearance), but how about some of the more notable SUPPORTING cast members out there? How long did it take for some of them to make their first cover appearance?
Let’s see!
Pepper Potts and Happy Hogan were quite lucky, as far as supporting characters go, as their first cover appearances were not only in their first appearances period, but they even got HYPED on their first cover!!

One of Captain America’s love interests, Sharon Carter, did not have to wait long for her first cover appearance, as she made her cover debut a mere issue after she first appeared…

Another one of Cap’s love interests, though, had to wait about thirty issues before Bernie Rosenthal made a cover appearance…

Jim Rhodes didn’t have to wait long for his cover debut, showing up only a few issues after he first appeared in the pages of Iron Man…

Mrs. Bambi Arbogast, however, Tony Stark’s secretary, had to wait over a hundred issues before she graced the cover of a comic book…

That’s nothing, however, compared to how long Edwin Jarvis had to wait, over two hundred covers of both Tales of Suspense (where he made his first appearance) and Avengers before he debuted on the cover of Avengers #197 (thanks to Bully for catching the tiny appearance of Jarvis on this cover that I, at first, missed – thinking his first cover was four issues later, in #201!).

Well, that’s it for this installment of Snark Free Corner.
Hope you had fun!






32 Comments
FunkyGreenJerusalem
January 23, 2007 at 5:50 am
Is that Todd Klein the lettering god writing the story in ‘New Talent Showcase’ #8?
Was the his comic’s debut or just his writing one?
I never knew he wrote as well.
Matthew Craig
January 23, 2007 at 6:06 am
Cover Homaged: AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 151.
(Gad, but I love that comic)
//\OO/\\
Omar Karindu
January 23, 2007 at 6:41 am
DC also used to run those odd “Bonus Book” inserts, which were basically just tryout books for creators, both writers and artists. I remember that Jim Balent got his first DC work published that way.
As to Cyclops, theoretically he shouldn’t be able to miss anything he can see, but this being comics…
minestrone
January 23, 2007 at 7:12 am
I’d say that Cyclops can miss, because the optic blasts do not point in what ever direction his eyes are turned, but rather directly out from his face. So his ability to hit a target is controlled by turning his head in the proper direction, not his eyeballs. Id’s imagine that the visor limits his peripheral vision too.
DanCJ
January 23, 2007 at 7:20 am
Cover Homage: Ronin #1?
DanCJ
January 23, 2007 at 7:27 am
Actually I mean the Ronin TPB, but looking at it now and looking at Matthew Craig’s suggestion I’m obviously wrong
TeamSmithy
January 23, 2007 at 8:57 am
I read in an interview that Darwyn Cooke’s first published work was in an issue New Talent Showcase.
It was number 19 according to wikipedia.
Anonymous
January 23, 2007 at 10:28 am
“DC also used to run those odd “Bonus Book†inserts, which were basically just tryout books for creators, both writers and artists. I remember that Jim Balent got his first DC work published that way.”
So did Rob Liefeld, Hank Kanalz and Randy DuBurke.
And it’s nice to see Batroc once again rearing his moustached head around here…
Dan Coyle
January 23, 2007 at 10:29 am
Ah, so powerful was that issue of FF that Carlos Pacheco, Rafael Marin, and (whatt surprise) Jeph Loeb retconned it out by, I think, de-aging Valeria Von Doom and impregnating Sue with her fetus. Or something like that.
Dan Coyle
January 23, 2007 at 10:31 am
You know who else got a shot with those inserts? Dean Haspiel, drawing a Max Lord story in Justice League International #24.
Richard
January 23, 2007 at 11:15 am
I’d say that Cyclops can miss as long as his target is moving faster than his eyes can. Because he can see something doesn’t mean that something can’t dodge his blasts. Now, if Cyclops had the ability to keep his eye on his target, no matter how fast it was moving, then he likely couldn’t miss, but his reflexes are those of a normal human, as far as I know.
-r-
Bully
January 23, 2007 at 12:32 pm
Jarvis definitely appears a few months before Avengers #201 on the cover of Avengers #197.
Rob Schamberger
January 23, 2007 at 12:42 pm
Steve Lightle told me they used to call it the ‘No Talent Showcase’.
Zeb Aslam
January 23, 2007 at 1:19 pm
I didn’t know about ‘New Talent Showcase.’ Will definitely have to search out issues of that now. Sounds like an awesome series. I love reading the early work of current favorites. And Tom Mandrake??! Awesome.
carpboy
January 23, 2007 at 2:56 pm
How exactly does one disagree “with the idea of Sue having a miscarriage”? That doesn’t make any sense to me.
SanctumSanctorumComix
January 23, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Not all the “new” talent in New Talent Showcase was truly “NEW”.
Some of them had already become professionals, but were still “green”.
~P~
P-TOR
MJ
January 23, 2007 at 3:28 pm
What’s amazing to me is that I’ve read one comic today: Fantastic Four 267.
Brian Cronin
January 23, 2007 at 3:34 pm
Quite a few people felt it was too serious/depressing of an event to happen in a superhero comic.
Note that it has been even since been retconned!
Brian Cronin
January 23, 2007 at 3:39 pm
That IS really freaky.
Did you like it?
Joseph
January 23, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Here’s my response to the ‘Snark Free Challenge’: Cyclops, like everyone with eyes, can see many things at a time. I’d say it is within the realm of possibility for him to mis-angle his head on occasion so that his optic blasts narrowly miss a target, and hit another object nearby instead. But that’s just me.
Michael
January 23, 2007 at 3:45 pm
” Quite a few people felt it was too serious/depressing of an event to happen in a superhero comic.
Note that it has been even since been retconned!”
No it hasn’t. That kid’s still dead. Valeria is Reed and Sue’s third child.
Brian Cronin
January 23, 2007 at 4:28 pm
No sir. She is the miscarried second child. Franklin used his powers to save her.
Apodaca
January 23, 2007 at 5:01 pm
Re: SNARK FREE CHALLENGE
I guess it depends on whether Cyclops’ blasts shoot from his pupils or just his eyes. Former, he’d have impeccable aim; latter, he’d be limited to where he turned his head, which makes it harder to aim. The other problem with the idea of the blasts coming from his pupils is that would mean that his blasts would always be huge in the dark and tiny in the bright sun.
FunkyGreenJerusalem
January 23, 2007 at 11:19 pm
“No sir. She is the miscarried second child. Franklin used his powers to save her.”
I’m regretting it before I even ask it, but…
Where was she between the time she miscarried in Byrne’s run and was brought back (presumably years later?)
(and why was this a better idea than just giving Sue and Reed a new child? Were they happy with what Franklin had done, or did they beat him around the head for making them go through years of misery?)
John Seavey
January 24, 2007 at 5:56 am
After giving this some thought, the answer is: Yes, it’s probably possible for Cyclops to miss, given the following caveats and questions.
1) Where, exactly, do the eyebeams come out of? I’ve always presumed the iris/pupil area (ie, not the entire eye, but where it’s focused on), based on the fact that he can control the direction without moving his head (or, at least, that’s the impression we get from the comics.) So he does target whatever he’s looking directly at.
2) How fast does the beam travel? This is the critical point–if the beam traveled at the speed of light, he’d never miss, because whatever he’s looking at would be instantaneously struck. But since it’s described as a “force beam”, and not a beam of electromagnetic energy, we can presume that it travels at sub-light speeds–and thus, anything moving faster than the beam travels would be there when he fired, but not when the beam arrived. So he’d have to anticipate his targets to hit.
Voila.
MJ
January 24, 2007 at 6:10 am
” That IS really freaky.
Did you like it?”
Yeah. It was the first time I’ve re-read it since I bought it in 1984. It’s funny how I remember the last page so well after all these years. I’m re-reading all my FFs (I stopped collecting them at 299 and recently purchased 300 to finish the storyline when I get there)and am surprised by the inconsistency in Byrne’s art thru this run. His inking himself started out OK and improved for a while, but then he started using a Sharpie to ink and that looked horrible until he went back to better pens and brushes a year or so before 267, but then by the time 267 rolls around his art seems to be taking a downturn again. To me, it doesn’t look much like early Byrne anymore, except on She-Hulk, who looks great. I’d have to say that inking himself was a mistake. Sinnott would not have worked, but wasn’t there someone at Marvel who could have complimented Byrne’s pencils besides Austin?
AFKAP
January 24, 2007 at 7:27 am
ah… i choked up a little bit when i saw that cover for New Talent Showcase #8… that was probably one of the first DC comics i ever bought (along with Thriller #4 and a few others), after having been a hardcore True Believer for a while. i remember there was a pretty cool Stephen DiStephano one-pager in there.
i think i still have #19 around somewhere, featuring Darwyn Cooke flaunting much more overt Kirby accents than his current style.
stephen cade
January 24, 2007 at 9:55 am
That FF was probably his best work on that series.
I bought it for Doc Ock–but the story was quite touching.
Makes me wonder if Byrne knew anyone who had a miscarriage?
MJ
January 24, 2007 at 3:43 pm
I’d go with FF 236 as the best issue during Byrne’s run.
yo go re
January 25, 2007 at 5:44 pm
On the question of whether or not Cyclops can miss: apparently John Byrne walked out of the first X-Men movie because Sabretooth dodged a blast. Which seems screamingly ridiculous and more than a little bit petulant, honestly.
Of course he can miss. Just because his eyebeams emit light, it doesn’t mean they ARE light. If I turn a flashlight on and throw it at you, you can get out of the way, even if the actual light it makes touches you. Sure, it moves fast, but not light speed.
Quite a few people felt it was too serious/depressing of an event to happen in a superhero comic.
Boy, that sounds familiar…
Alan Coil
January 27, 2007 at 4:34 pm
That cover looks like a Man Thing cover to me.
Greg Geren
March 31, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Brian-
I found an earlier cover appearance from Jarvis.
I’ll give you some clues-
1) It’s from 1977
2) It is not from THE AVENGERS comic.
3) It’s not from a comic featuring an Avenger (at least up until February of this year anyway).
4) Jarvis is unconscious on the cover.
Answer after the click–
http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=30947&zoom=4
I thought you would be the only other person to care–
Old thread reviver.