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Friday with Kurt Mitchell and the Justice Society

Thursday, January 25th, 2007 at 11:01 PM EST

Updated: Thursday, January 25th, 2007 at 11:01 PM EST

I have to admit, when my old friend Kurt Mitchell first told me that he was back-burnering his new novel so he could work on a book indexing the Earth-2 adventures of the Justice Society, I thought he’d lost his mind. I thought, but didn’t say, An index? Of the adventures of a super-team whose premise has been so mired in continuity craziness that the publisher felt it necessary to blow up the entire fictional universe it inhabits rather than deal with it any more? Who’s going to buy a book like that? Jesus, Kurt, write the novel! You can actually SELL the novel! People read novels!

Except I have to eat some crow now, because Kurt sold the index after all. Well, sort of. And it’s extremely readable and fun.

This is really a fun book.

When Julie and I drove down to Kurt’s to visit for New Year’s, as we always do, he had just gotten his contributor’s copies of The All-Star Companion Volume Two, a great big hunk of which is composed of Kurt’s indexing of Roy Thomas’ 80’s JSA work. We were of course delighted for our friend, and I resolved to get a copy the next time I was at my comics shop.

Now, I’m a huge fan of TwoMorrows Publishing. I love their stuff; the various artist-spotlight books, Write! and Draw! magazines, Alter Ego, all that. But I confess that when I bought my copy of the All-Star book it was more in the spirit of being supportive — just doing my brutha Kurt a solid. I didn’t really need an index to the JSA.

So it turns out that I have to eat even more crow, because the book is great fun. There are interesting historical articles from folks like Dennis Mallonee and the late Jerry Bails, an entertaining speculative piece from Mike Barr about pulp detective archetypes stolen for a JSA story, a viciously funny snarl from Frank Brunner about a JSA cover that’s been swiped/homaged/ripped off WAY too often… and, for most of the back half of the book, there’s our friend Kurt’s work summing up the adventures of the All-Star Squadron.

Roy SERIOUSLY gets his geek on here.

The whole thing is beautifully packaged and introduced and packed with running commentary throughout by editor Roy Thomas, who somehow manages to keep the entire enterprise bouncing with infectiously nerdy enthusiasm despite all the erudition and scholarship exhibited on every page. Profusely illustrated with rare artwork and even rarer photos, it’s a treat for the serious scholar or the casual fan.

In fact, it’s so interesting and diverting that I find myself thinking that I’m going to have to go pick up the first volume now, as well. And that’s coming from a fellow that didn’t really need one JSA index, let alone two.

So, because I thought it would be fun and because one of the perks of a column is getting to push nice work you like — and because, well, I feel guilty about being so sure this project of his would never amount to anything — I thought I’d let Kurt answer a few questions about the book and how his geeky index thing somehow morphed into a prestigious co-authorship gig with Roy Thomas. Kurt graciously agreed to be interviewed, and here it is.

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Tell us about the book… what it is, exactly, who’s it for, anything else you’d like folks to know. How’d it come about? How’d you get involved?

The All-Star Companion books are an outgrowth of the TwoMorrows version of Roy Thomas’ pioneering fanzine, Alter Ego. Roy, of course, is one of the founding fathers of comics fandom as well as a former Editor-in-Chief of Marvel Comics and the writer of dozens of comics featuring the Justice Society of America and other Golden Age heroes for DC in the 1980s.

We all knew this mini-series was about Roy Thomas geeking, but it  was still fun.

The first volume examines the original 1940-51 run of All-Star Comics, as well as hero and creator mini-bios, a look at Junior JSA memorabilia, an overview of other Golden Age super-teams and their literary precedents, speculation about three “lost” (scripted but never used) Gardner Fox stories and much, much more. The current volume, the first one I’ve been involved in, spotlights Roy’s ‘80s JSA work (All-Star Squadron, America Vs the Justice Society, Last Days of the Justice Society) and also continues to look at the team’s Golden Age history.

You could tell Roy hated doing this. Many of us hated DC for making him do it.

I got involved in the project after meeting Roy at the 2005 Emerald City Con in Seattle. I mentioned (after a friendly nudge from our mutual pal Rob Allen) that I was working on my own JSA-related project. Roy invited me to send him a sampler of my work. A few months later, Roy wrote and asked if I’d like to contribute to a projected third volume of the series, condensing my own research into digestable summaries. I wasn’t originally slated to contribute to Vol. 2 but a deadline crunch left Roy unable to finish the issue-by-issue synopsis section of the book. Enter me. I also did some last-minute proofreading and fact-checking before the book went to press.

(Note from Greg — that’s right, Kurt Mitchell’s got enough DC continuity savvy that he fact-checks ROY THOMAS. I’m telling you, that’s some serious geek cred on the street.)

I know that originally you’d embarked on a history of the JSA/Earth-2 stories that were such a big part of the DC Silver Age. Is this still essentially that project, super-sized? Or is this a different animal completely?

My own project, The Collectors’ Guide to Earth-Two, overlaps Roy’s in subject matter but not in approach. He focuses more on the historical context, the creators and the behind the scenes stuff while I’m more into the world itself, the characters and their history as presented in the 400 or so Silver and Bronze Age comics featuring Earth-Two characters. Because I’m approaching the material as if it were real historical documents, I annotate at an insane level of detail beyond what Roy (who wants to sell his books, after all) has the time or space to pursue. My own work is on the back burner while I’m working with Roy but if all goes well I hope to have an online version of the Guide posted on the internet by late autumn of this year.

Another verbose Roy Thomas team.

What’s collaborating with Roy Thomas like? How does that process work, what’s the division of labor there — who does what?

It’s been a great experience so far. Like all good bosses, Roy tells me what he wants and when he wants it, then leaves me alone to do it. In the case of my writing for Volume 2, I struggled with the first few synopses (figuring out which details epitomize the plot is hard work!) until Roy showed me, via his editors’ red pencil, how lean he wanted my prose. Most of our communication is via e-mail but we do occasionally talk on the phone.While Roy has been open to suggestion, I always keep in mind that this is his project and stay respectful of his vision.

Was there anything that surprised you, working on this project? Finding out things you didn’t know, or suddenly looking at old stuff a new way?

As I alluded to above, I was surprised at how much better my writing is after a little editorial polishing. I see so many comics fans treating editors as evil, as an affront to their (usually theoretical) artistic integrity, without understanding the editorial process at all. A good editor is like a good amplifier, filtering out the static to leave your signal crisp and clear. Which is not to say there aren’t plenty of bad editors in the comics industry, only that there’s nothing inherently bad about the job if done properly. As far as the Companion’s subject matter, I learned a lot of new details about the creative process behind the comics covered but nothing I’d rate as a major revelation.

Who’s the target audience for this book? What do you hope readers come away with?

Both volumes are definitely written for the comics history buff but there’s plenty there to engage the casual reader too, including buttloads of original and previously unseen artwork. And for JSA fans, they’re absolutely indispensable.

What do I hope people come away with? A yen to go out and read the original comics. With all the Archives, Showcases and TPBs gathering the Golden Age and Earth-Two material into affordable collections, accessing them has never been easier.

I can see there’s quite a list of contributors here along with you and Roy — Frank Brunner, Mike Barr, Jerry Bails… did they come to Roy or does he come to you guys?

“You guys” magnifies my contribution to Volume 2 way out of proportion. Most of the other contributors are personal friends and former collaborators of Roy’s. He could tell you better than me how he solicits contributions, though from what I gather some (like my stuff) are commissioned and others (like Frank Brunner’s hilarious rant about the overly-homaged cover art of All-Star #3) originate with the contributor.

Frank Brunner's really tired of seeing swipes of this.

Is there going to be a volume three? What would that cover?

There is indeed. It’s tentatively scheduled for a November ’07 release. The contents are still up in the air but the plan is to cover Roy’s Young All-Stars and Secret Origins titles (I’ve already synopsized both runs), as well as various solo and guest appearances of the Earth-Two heroes, including the “Mr. & Mrs. Superman” and “Huntress”series.

The post-Crisis All-Star... well, it just wasn't the same.

(At the moment, I’m trying to condense 800+ pages of notes into a 3-4 page overview of Earth-Two history. Oy.) There will also be a look at the backup material from the original All-Star, interviews with Silver and Bronze Age creators and, if space permits, coverage of Infinity, Inc and post-Crisis JSA appearances. None of this is carved in granite, though, so my suggestion is to wait and be surprised. Whatever’s in it, it’ll be good!

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And there you have it. Thanks again to Kurt for his time, and I’d urge you all to check out the new All-Star Companion; if you have any interest at all in the Justice Society I think you’d find it hugely entertaining, even if you’re not an enormous nerd like me. (For those of you that ARE enormous JSA nerds? It’s like crack. You can’t put it down.)

See you next week.

16 Comments

i am really looking forward to this…i think it’ll be a fun way to actually learn a little bit of earth-2 history, even if it isn’t truly kurt’s original project (which i’ve read about on the classic comics boards here).

another great column too, greg.

I love this book!

“Kurt Mitchell’s got enough DC continuity savvy that he fact–checks Roy Thomas.”

Big deal. It’s a shame that SOMEBODY didn’t fact–check him when he STARTED on ALL–STAR SQUADRON. He “established” that ALL of DC’s 1940s–active superheroes were on Earth–2 (in his COMPANION book, he stated that he intended to include Captain Marvel and company, but the powers that be said no) even though many of them had then quite recently been established as native to other universes of the DC multiverse. Manhunter (Paul Kirk version) (via the modern Batman’s involvement in his DETECTIVE series’ finale) and Air Wave (Larry Jordan being blood kin to Hal Jordan, aka the Silver Age Green Lantern) were identified by 1970s stories as E–1 residents; many of the Quality comics heroes were on an Earth where the Nazis won WWII, Earth–X (none of the JSA, or JLA, members at hand recognized any of them, eliminating the possibility of exact counterparts on 2, or 1 either); Zatanna using the JLA to search for her father Zatara (and both of them continuing to live there afterwards) put HIM on E–1; and in his Answer Man column Bob Rozakis flatly placed Steel the Indestructible Man on E–1 when somebody asked (I have absolutely no idea what if anything was actually said to this point in the character’s own comic, but the fact that somebody asked Bob suggests nothing was, which WOULD leave the issue open, wouldn’t it?). More subtly (I freely admit), a then recent JLA–JSA cross–over had established E–2’s Atlantis as that of the Golden Age Wonder Woman stories, which is definitely not the one seen in Aquaman’s GA origin, putting him somewhere else (this very story put Cap. Marv. and several other Fawcett characters on Earth-S, and if that’s why the bosses said no to Roy putting THEM on E–2, why didn’t they catch some of the others?). I literally find it impossible to believe that ASS didn’t get at least a few letters pointing out some of this, even though none were printed.

Cool stuff. My congrats to Kurt.

I must admit, though, that there’s something very weird about seeing the Spectre run.

Imagine if he were running AND had a goatee. Heads. Would. Explode!

Very cool Kurt (and G. H.) I’ll definitely pick this up.

Thanks for the great write-up and the plug, Greg.

Ted Watson makes a valid point about All-Star Squadron and its continuity problems. In fact, not only do I agree with his criticism but so does Roy Thomas, who in hindsight believes he made a mistake in that regard, especially regarding the Earth-X/Quality Comics characters. In fact, I address this very question in the essay I’m currently writing… with Roy’s blessing.

Kurt

Oh, and contrary to what Bob Rozakis says, Steel the Indestructible Man co-creator/writer Gerry Conway says the title was meant to take place on Earth-Two. The unpublished Steel #6 (later incorporated into All-Star Squadron) would’ve pitted ol’ Indestructible against Baron Blitzkreig, an E2 villain Conway first used in a Wonder Woman two-parter in World’s Finest Comics #148-49.

Kurt

WoW!
Cei-U has summoned a HIT!

Great article! I have been debating picking this up. ALL-STAR SQUADRON was one of the books that got me back into reading comics in High School. I loved the way Roy Thomas wove the different Golden Age stories into a tapestry. I don’t look at the Quality heroes presence on Earth-2 as a mistake so much as a story-telling decision as he wanted to use the characters sooner rather than later. In retrospect, the series biggest flaw was probably Thomas’ impatience — some of those big ideas could have come off better if he could have just waited a few months to fit them into the narrative better. The debut of Infinity, Inc. in the middle of the Ultra-Humanite story is probably the most obvious example.

Plus Jerry Ordway’s early artwork in this series is beautiful.

I’ll definitely be ordering a copy of Volume 2 now.

Thanks!

Just as a footnote, I picked up volume one yesterday too. It looks every bit as much fun as the second, though I have fewer referents for this; I am too poor to own Archives, though now I may have to start hunting down some cheap ones on eBay or something. But I reiterate that the Companion books are entertaining reads for anyone interested in comics history, how they MADE comics in the 40’s and 50’s, as well as for fans of the JSA. Having read the originals would be a bonus, certainly, but I am having no problem keeping up and enjoying it even being largely ignorant of the original JSA’s All-Star run. That’s the mark of a good book.

I’m so there for volume three.

To Cei–U!

You are quite right, and I do owe Roy something of an apology, as he did indeed try to undo his mistake with the Quality characters (although I do have to wonder why he didn’t acknowledge this in COMPANION). It was a poor job, unfortunately, as I recall that they traveled to Earth–X via disturbances in the space–time continuums caused by the Crisis, which would leave them never there in truly pre–Crisis continuity (this is—or would have been had it been acceptable—one of many pieces of evidence that put the lie to DC’s denial of the fan suggestion that the Multiverse became one Universe in multiple steps, but never mind that).

IIRC, the Freedom Fighters traveled to from Earth-2 to Earth-X a year or more before Crisis (ASS #31-35) and it was facilitated by Uncle Sam. The first time he traveled to Earth-X (by himself) it was by accident.

quoting from pages 19-20 of All-Star Squadron # 31 Uncle Sam recounts how he first traveled from Earth-2 to Earth-X:

“…been right busy whuppin’ Nazi spies, like I was a few months back back when I sudden-like felt somethin’ throbbin’ in my head. I knit my brow and took to concentratin’ right hard, and pretty soon a red-white-an’-blue vortex popped up outa thin air. Us Yankees bein’ inquisitive types, I just naturally stepped right in — steppin’ out into what I knew right off was another America — on another Earth, pretty near like the one I just left — ‘cept for a difference or three: there the Axis Powers were doin’ even better than they are in this world — and there wasn’t a single masked mystery-man to help fight ‘em — can you believe it?”

He recounts this story again in # 32 with a few less apostrophes and while under the influence of Wonder Woman’s Magic Lasso.

The Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover in All-Star Squadron didn’t occur until # 50.

davelevine:

Are sure the skies weren’t showing the red stuff that was the signature of the Crisis? That’s my memory of it. I also remember that COIE went on for an ungodly long time in ASS (but that this was because Roy got permission to not reflect the end of it there until well after everybody else did so as to have time to properly wrap up the strictly Earth–2 aspects of his series). Still, you do have the Quality heroes trip there being less than totally due to the Crisis, I admit.

No red skies — oh, wait in # 35 the red skies do show up and also there is this thing with the Spectre trying to keep Earth-2 and Earth-X from tying to occupy the same space (starting in # 33). Maybe there is some relationship between Uncle Sam’s red-white-and-blue vortex and Crisis? Hmmm….

I wonder if the All-Star companion Vol. 2 sheds any light on this? I’m gonna have to buy it.

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