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	<title>Comments on: Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #90</title>
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		<title>By: ParanoidObsessive</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/02/15/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-90/comment-page-2/#comment-692696</link>
		<dc:creator>ParanoidObsessive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The weirdest part of Secret Wars having so few periods is that I distinctly recall conversations that absolutely SHOULD have had periods (like, for instance, Hawkeye and Cyclops having a conversation about how they missed their significant others).

Still, it must have worked for what it was, because until I read this article, it never actually occurred to me that there are so few periods, or that the punctuattion was awkward in any way.

I totally need to dig those issues out and take another look at them.

Though, since we&#039;re on the subject, I&#039;d just like to point out that people can bash Secret Wars all they want, but I&#039;ve always found it to be FAR better than a lot of stories that came before, and certainly a lot that have come since.  Hell, I&#039;d say it&#039;s still better than a fair amount of what&#039;s on the market NOW.  I felt that way when I was much younger and just drawn to the spectacle of it all, and I definitely feel that way now even after years of reading both good and bad stories, and getting a feel for what I think works in the visual narrative medium and what doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weirdest part of Secret Wars having so few periods is that I distinctly recall conversations that absolutely SHOULD have had periods (like, for instance, Hawkeye and Cyclops having a conversation about how they missed their significant others).</p>
<p>Still, it must have worked for what it was, because until I read this article, it never actually occurred to me that there are so few periods, or that the punctuattion was awkward in any way.</p>
<p>I totally need to dig those issues out and take another look at them.</p>
<p>Though, since we're on the subject, I'd just like to point out that people can bash Secret Wars all they want, but I've always found it to be FAR better than a lot of stories that came before, and certainly a lot that have come since.  Hell, I'd say it's still better than a fair amount of what's on the market NOW.  I felt that way when I was much younger and just drawn to the spectacle of it all, and I definitely feel that way now even after years of reading both good and bad stories, and getting a feel for what I think works in the visual narrative medium and what doesn't.</p>
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		<title>By: sackett</title>
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		<dc:creator>sackett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like everything else, it&#039;s a balance.   Image was all action, and it failed.  If Marvel(which I don&#039;t read) is all dialog, that will eventually fail.  Comics are a blend, and artform.   Those that reach the right balance fo action and characterization invariable succeed wildly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like everything else, it's a balance.   Image was all action, and it failed.  If Marvel(which I don't read) is all dialog, that will eventually fail.  Comics are a blend, and artform.   Those that reach the right balance fo action and characterization invariable succeed wildly.</p>
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		<title>By: ESE</title>
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		<dc:creator>ESE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So, if I want to see a super-hero fight scene, I should play a video game? May I rant about that statement?

Becase one of the things that I really enjoyed about comic books was the way they could get across story and characterization through what was oftentimes a gratutious fight scene.&quot;
What story? The old school comics were all about re-telling the same story every issue (a villain causes problems, hero and villain battle, hero wins, end of story). There was NO character development. The plots were so simple that you would think they were aimed at 5-years old kids. And the characters were so boring and one-dimentional that you couldn&#039;t take them serious. If I wanted that crap, I would watch the kiddy action cartoons you can see on TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"So, if I want to see a super-hero fight scene, I should play a video game? May I rant about that statement?</p>
<p>Becase one of the things that I really enjoyed about comic books was the way they could get across story and characterization through what was oftentimes a gratutious fight scene."<br />
What story? The old school comics were all about re-telling the same story every issue (a villain causes problems, hero and villain battle, hero wins, end of story). There was NO character development. The plots were so simple that you would think they were aimed at 5-years old kids. And the characters were so boring and one-dimentional that you couldn't take them serious. If I wanted that crap, I would watch the kiddy action cartoons you can see on TV.</p>
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		<title>By: The Five Love Language Man Edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Five Love Language Man Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were to really, really, think about it, Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #90 is a great way to frame your point, especially when The Five Love Language Man Edition is taken into account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were to really, really, think about it, Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #90 is a great way to frame your point, especially when The Five Love Language Man Edition is taken into account.</p>
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		<title>By: mike weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking to the &quot;Exclamation points because periods wouldn&#039;t show in the cheap printing&quot; - remember when you couldn&#039;t use the word &quot;Flick&quot; or name a character &quot;Clint&quot;, because the &quot;L&quot; and the &quot;I&quot; might run together and look like a &quot;U&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking to the "Exclamation points because periods wouldn't show in the cheap printing" - remember when you couldn't use the word "Flick" or name a character "Clint", because the "L" and the "I" might run together and look like a "U"?</p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The classic example of period avoidance isn&#039;t comic books -- it&#039;s the greatest of all comic &lt;i&gt;strips&lt;/i&gt;, Peanuts.  For whatever reason, Charles Schulz never used periods.  Sentences in the strip would end with exclamation points, question marks, ellipses (...), or nothing at all.  It&#039;s not something you really notice until it&#039;s pointed out to you.

I love the &lt;i&gt;start&lt;/i&gt; of Tom DeFalco&#039;s FF run.  He brought back a Lee/Kirby feel (which should be done once in a while, though not all the time).  Look at issues 358 to 360: three cool new villains in as many issues.  Unfortunately, he went full-blown soap opera shortly thereafter.  But say what you will about the stories, DeFalco &lt;i&gt;nailed&lt;/i&gt; the characters.  I&#039;ll take his FF over Steve Englehart&#039;s any day of the week (and definitely his Johnny Storm over Mark Waid&#039;s).

Like any comics writer, DeFalco&#039;s had his good titles and his bad.  He seems to be in a good patch now.  I haven&#039;t read much SPIDER-GIRL, but I hear it&#039;s a real breath of fresh air.

- Z</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The classic example of period avoidance isn't comic books -- it's the greatest of all comic <i>strips</i>, Peanuts.  For whatever reason, Charles Schulz never used periods.  Sentences in the strip would end with exclamation points, question marks, ellipses (...), or nothing at all.  It's not something you really notice until it's pointed out to you.</p>
<p>I love the <i>start</i> of Tom DeFalco's FF run.  He brought back a Lee/Kirby feel (which should be done once in a while, though not all the time).  Look at issues 358 to 360: three cool new villains in as many issues.  Unfortunately, he went full-blown soap opera shortly thereafter.  But say what you will about the stories, DeFalco <i>nailed</i> the characters.  I'll take his FF over Steve Englehart's any day of the week (and definitely his Johnny Storm over Mark Waid's).</p>
<p>Like any comics writer, DeFalco's had his good titles and his bad.  He seems to be in a good patch now.  I haven't read much SPIDER-GIRL, but I hear it's a real breath of fresh air.</p>
<p>- Z</p>
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		<title>By: Thenodrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thenodrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if I want to see a super-hero fight scene, I should play a video game?  May I rant about that statement?

Becase one of the things that I really enjoyed about comic books was the way they could get across story and characterization through what was oftentimes a gratutious fight scene.

Since we&#039;re talking about SW, I remember that determination, frustration, and courage came across clearly in Wasp&#039;s running battle against the X-Men.  It was the first time that I&#039;d ever actually cared about her.

I remember how all the other characters kinda dissed on Spider-Man, but he really came through in his fight against Titania.  And, not in a power-house way, but in a way that really explained his character and why he acted the way he did.

Now, I can get that sort of thing out of Teen Titans, Justice League Unlimited, or the Legion of Super-Heroes cartoons (or, even Ben 10).  But, the depressing part is that these cartoons, and movies (like Spider-Man 2) encourage me to go back to comic books.  But, they inevitably bore me with endless dialogue and no action.

Seriously, I get more action out of some CD audio dramas than out of many recent comic books.  So, when it comes time to decide, do I spend time reading Batman, or set my DVR for The Batman, the DVR wins out not because it is cheaper, but because it delivers the better experience.

I feel that some current comic book writers (and artists) have forgotten that the artist should express characterization with body language and poise, and have instead become hacks who tell us how a character is feeling rather than showing us.

Theno</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if I want to see a super-hero fight scene, I should play a video game?  May I rant about that statement?</p>
<p>Becase one of the things that I really enjoyed about comic books was the way they could get across story and characterization through what was oftentimes a gratutious fight scene.</p>
<p>Since we're talking about SW, I remember that determination, frustration, and courage came across clearly in Wasp's running battle against the X-Men.  It was the first time that I'd ever actually cared about her.</p>
<p>I remember how all the other characters kinda dissed on Spider-Man, but he really came through in his fight against Titania.  And, not in a power-house way, but in a way that really explained his character and why he acted the way he did.</p>
<p>Now, I can get that sort of thing out of Teen Titans, Justice League Unlimited, or the Legion of Super-Heroes cartoons (or, even Ben 10).  But, the depressing part is that these cartoons, and movies (like Spider-Man 2) encourage me to go back to comic books.  But, they inevitably bore me with endless dialogue and no action.</p>
<p>Seriously, I get more action out of some CD audio dramas than out of many recent comic books.  So, when it comes time to decide, do I spend time reading Batman, or set my DVR for The Batman, the DVR wins out not because it is cheaper, but because it delivers the better experience.</p>
<p>I feel that some current comic book writers (and artists) have forgotten that the artist should express characterization with body language and poise, and have instead become hacks who tell us how a character is feeling rather than showing us.</p>
<p>Theno</p>
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		<title>By: yo go re</title>
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		<dc:creator>yo go re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Mixed case vs. all caps doesn&#039;t bother me. The books don&#039;t read any different, as evidenced by the fact that so many people don&#039;t even notice the change. Sure, it&#039;s easier to read lower-case text than upper case, since you can more quickly recognize the shapes of the words, but comics proved for decades that that was no impediment.

Would I get up in arms about a text-switch like that? No, not really. Just because it&#039;s not what I&#039;m used to, it doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s bad. Like they say, the only reason a complete page of italic text looks odd is because you don&#039;t see it regularly.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mixed case vs. all caps doesn't bother me. The books don't read any different, as evidenced by the fact that so many people don't even notice the change. Sure, it's easier to read lower-case text than upper case, since you can more quickly recognize the shapes of the words, but comics proved for decades that that was no impediment.</p>
<p>Would I get up in arms about a text-switch like that? No, not really. Just because it's not what I'm used to, it doesn't mean it's bad. Like they say, the only reason a complete page of italic text looks odd is because you don't see it regularly.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Chrism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can remember being impressed, even as a wee lad, by the number of exclamation marks in MAD magazine. I&#039;m sure it was deliberate: the exclamiation marks were like a sign that the thing you&#039;d just read was a joke, the typographical equivalent of &#039;geddit?&#039; accompanied by a poke in the ribs, or canned laughter.

I really noticed this use of exclamation marks in its absence. In the Australian edition that I read, most of the content was American, but occasionally you&#039;d get a piece from a local cartoonist. Most of the Australians hadn&#039;t worked out how to use the exclamation mark joke code, and their gags were never as funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can remember being impressed, even as a wee lad, by the number of exclamation marks in MAD magazine. I'm sure it was deliberate: the exclamiation marks were like a sign that the thing you'd just read was a joke, the typographical equivalent of 'geddit?' accompanied by a poke in the ribs, or canned laughter.</p>
<p>I really noticed this use of exclamation marks in its absence. In the Australian edition that I read, most of the content was American, but occasionally you'd get a piece from a local cartoonist. Most of the Australians hadn't worked out how to use the exclamation mark joke code, and their gags were never as funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynxara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynxara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If I want to watch superheroes fight, I can play a videogame. When I want a story, Iâ€™ll go read a comic book.&quot; 

... what if you don&#039;t like video games? 

Seriously, this question bothers me when people say it&#039;s okay for all superhero action to be delivered up in stuff like the movies, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, and cartoons, so the comics should be free to be as insane and non-traditional as possible. 

What if you want to see that kind of stuff in a comic book, where it started? There&#039;s the Adventures line, but for the most part that&#039;s pretty weak stuff compared to even average Marvel output from the 80&#039;s, let alone a pretty above-average package (for the time) like Secret Wars. 

Myself, I like Secret Wars. The totally artificial premise lent itself well both to constant action, selling a toy line, and one of Jim Shooter&#039;s main writing strengths, the ability to characterize. Toward the end Secret Wars is about nothing but the character&#039;s personalities, setting a pattern for later Marvel crossovers to pattern themselves after. Sadly, Secret Wars&#039;s insane premise lent itself much better to that sort of thing than some premises Marvel and other publishers tried to use later on, although certainly some improvements on the original model happened, too. 

In some ways Secret Wars was kind of the inverse of the sort of superhero mega-crossover that Crisis on Infinite Earths pioneered; Crisis was all about having a grand plot and shoehorning characters in where they fit, while still trying to fit in as many characters as possible. The result is an immense book where characters feel more or less &quot;right&quot;, yet characterizations tremendously lack detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"If I want to watch superheroes fight, I can play a videogame. When I want a story, Iâ€™ll go read a comic book." </p>
<p>... what if you don't like video games? </p>
<p>Seriously, this question bothers me when people say it's okay for all superhero action to be delivered up in stuff like the movies, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, and cartoons, so the comics should be free to be as insane and non-traditional as possible. </p>
<p>What if you want to see that kind of stuff in a comic book, where it started? There's the Adventures line, but for the most part that's pretty weak stuff compared to even average Marvel output from the 80's, let alone a pretty above-average package (for the time) like Secret Wars. </p>
<p>Myself, I like Secret Wars. The totally artificial premise lent itself well both to constant action, selling a toy line, and one of Jim Shooter's main writing strengths, the ability to characterize. Toward the end Secret Wars is about nothing but the character's personalities, setting a pattern for later Marvel crossovers to pattern themselves after. Sadly, Secret Wars's insane premise lent itself much better to that sort of thing than some premises Marvel and other publishers tried to use later on, although certainly some improvements on the original model happened, too. </p>
<p>In some ways Secret Wars was kind of the inverse of the sort of superhero mega-crossover that Crisis on Infinite Earths pioneered; Crisis was all about having a grand plot and shoehorning characters in where they fit, while still trying to fit in as many characters as possible. The result is an immense book where characters feel more or less "right", yet characterizations tremendously lack detail.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And I feel bad for poor Daredevil, but it could be worse; Wasnâ€™t the Golden Age Green Lantern replaced by his dog? &quot;

Yeah, that&#039;s provided in one of the links above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"And I feel bad for poor Daredevil, but it could be worse; Wasnâ€™t the Golden Age Green Lantern replaced by his dog? "</p>
<p>Yeah, that's provided in one of the links above.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkAndrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkAndrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hah. I wish. But Iâ€™ve only seen Bendis write 2-4 good fight scenes. And some of those still had tons of dialogue throughout them. Still love the new team, though.&quot;

Well, Ok.  But the  Boogie Girl fight in Powers is one of the best fight scenes I&#039;ve ever seen, so that kinda makes up for it.

And I feel bad for poor Daredevil, but it could be worse;  Wasn&#039;t the Golden Age Green Lantern replaced by his dog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Hah. I wish. But Iâ€™ve only seen Bendis write 2-4 good fight scenes. And some of those still had tons of dialogue throughout them. Still love the new team, though."</p>
<p>Well, Ok.  But the  Boogie Girl fight in Powers is one of the best fight scenes I've ever seen, so that kinda makes up for it.</p>
<p>And I feel bad for poor Daredevil, but it could be worse;  Wasn't the Golden Age Green Lantern replaced by his dog?</p>
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		<title>By: Jerky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Matt Bird, sure everyone knew what the ending of House of M was. But did everyone know Wolverine would get his memories back? That, to me, is more shocking than anything Secret Wars had to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Matt Bird, sure everyone knew what the ending of House of M was. But did everyone know Wolverine would get his memories back? That, to me, is more shocking than anything Secret Wars had to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Tom DeFalcoâ€™s totally lame scripts. DeFalco had originally ruined Thor to the point of cancellation before Walt took over the book with a then-radical new approach and style, and shot the book into the top ten practically overnight. When DeFalco became EIC, he reportedly took unfair advantage of his being the Marvel EIC back then to secure two flagship titles, and because of his being embarassed over his run on Thor, decided to try again, and put the book on itâ€™s perpetual slide that not even Oemingâ€™s stellar work could stem away from cancellation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

DeFalco never wrote Thor before Simonson&#039;s run that I remember. I&#039;ve no idea where you&#039;re getting your misinformation. DeFalco could hardly be blamed for the cancellation of the Jurgens/Oeming series, because the first Thor series ended with #502 and stayed gone for a while before popping back up with #1. I can&#039;t really see how one writer could be blamed for the unpopularity of a character and the death of two series, neither of which he was writing at the time of cancellation.

Me, I loved DeFalco&#039;s Thor run. Still have to track down the only issue I&#039;m missing from it. It was a fun throwback to the 60&#039;s, Frenz&#039;s art was gorgeous, and it gave us the character of Eric Masterson. Yeah, some of the writing was technically atrocious, but I thought it was great anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Tom DeFalcoâ€™s totally lame scripts. DeFalco had originally ruined Thor to the point of cancellation before Walt took over the book with a then-radical new approach and style, and shot the book into the top ten practically overnight. When DeFalco became EIC, he reportedly took unfair advantage of his being the Marvel EIC back then to secure two flagship titles, and because of his being embarassed over his run on Thor, decided to try again, and put the book on itâ€™s perpetual slide that not even Oemingâ€™s stellar work could stem away from cancellation.</p></blockquote>
<p>DeFalco never wrote Thor before Simonson's run that I remember. I've no idea where you're getting your misinformation. DeFalco could hardly be blamed for the cancellation of the Jurgens/Oeming series, because the first Thor series ended with #502 and stayed gone for a while before popping back up with #1. I can't really see how one writer could be blamed for the unpopularity of a character and the death of two series, neither of which he was writing at the time of cancellation.</p>
<p>Me, I loved DeFalco's Thor run. Still have to track down the only issue I'm missing from it. It was a fun throwback to the 60's, Frenz's art was gorgeous, and it gave us the character of Eric Masterson. Yeah, some of the writing was technically atrocious, but I thought it was great anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: DanCJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point about g&#039;s, p&#039;s and j&#039;s</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This surprises me. I always thought - by virtue of the fact that there are more thinner lower case letters than upper case ones that theyâ€™d be able to fit in more text with mix case writing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you have g&#039;s and p&#039;s and j&#039;s and the like, dangling tails are going to cause some space issues. Capital letters all fall within the same basic dimensions.

There&#039;s ways around it, of course. Look at the lettering in Nextwave. That uses mixed-case and is fine.</description>
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<p>If you have g's and p's and j's and the like, dangling tails are going to cause some space issues. Capital letters all fall within the same basic dimensions.</p>
<p>There's ways around it, of course. Look at the lettering in Nextwave. That uses mixed-case and is fine.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t remember Tom DeFalco writing Thor before Simonson took the book to new heights starting with #337.  I think the writer just previous to Walt was Alan Zelenetz, and before that was Doug Moench.  Those issues were not good, to be sure, but I don&#039;t think DeFalco was involved on the writing end.  I stopped collecting the book after Walt left because of 3 reasons: DeFalco&#039;s wordy scripting, Frenz&#039;s boring art, and the new coloring process that made everything so garish!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't remember Tom DeFalco writing Thor before Simonson took the book to new heights starting with #337.  I think the writer just previous to Walt was Alan Zelenetz, and before that was Doug Moench.  Those issues were not good, to be sure, but I don't think DeFalco was involved on the writing end.  I stopped collecting the book after Walt left because of 3 reasons: DeFalco's wordy scripting, Frenz's boring art, and the new coloring process that made everything so garish!</p>
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		<title>By: Apodaca</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/02/15/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-90/comment-page-1/#comment-53650</link>
		<dc:creator>Apodaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Remember those days of comics? When super-heroes fought super-villains? In fight scenes? Ah, great times.&quot;

Look, the world&#039;s tiniest violin is playing, just for you and your love of men in tights beating on each other.

I think what you mean is &quot;Remember when superheroes fought supervillains, and that&#039;s all they did. Back in the good, old, one-dimensional days?&quot;

If I want to watch superheroes fight, I can play a videogame. When I want a story, I&#039;ll go read a comic book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Remember those days of comics? When super-heroes fought super-villains? In fight scenes? Ah, great times."</p>
<p>Look, the world's tiniest violin is playing, just for you and your love of men in tights beating on each other.</p>
<p>I think what you mean is "Remember when superheroes fought supervillains, and that's all they did. Back in the good, old, one-dimensional days?"</p>
<p>If I want to watch superheroes fight, I can play a videogame. When I want a story, I'll go read a comic book.</p>
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		<title>By: OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Gah! Forgot one other problem with DeFalco&#039;s run on &lt;i&gt;Thor&lt;/i&gt;: during his second run, he pretty much used Ron Frenz for the art. While Ron&#039;s talented, the problem was that everyone from Asgard was built like William &quot;The Refrigerator&quot; Perry. Now, you can argue that&#039;s good for Thor, Odin, and some of the Asgardians, but Sif? When Jack Kirby drew her, Sif *never* looked like she could make the She-Hulk look small. Frenz just needs to quit using &lt;i&gt;Sports Illustrated&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s NFL season preview issues for style guides!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>...Gah! Forgot one other problem with DeFalco's run on <i>Thor</i>: during his second run, he pretty much used Ron Frenz for the art. While Ron's talented, the problem was that everyone from Asgard was built like William "The Refrigerator" Perry. Now, you can argue that's good for Thor, Odin, and some of the Asgardians, but Sif? When Jack Kirby drew her, Sif *never* looked like she could make the She-Hulk look small. Frenz just needs to quit using <i>Sports Illustrated</i>'s NFL season preview issues for style guides!</p>
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		<title>By: OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Something you left out there that&#039;s an important factor in *why* the FF&#039;s sales were going down the toilet. For the same reason sales on &lt;i&gt;Thor&lt;/I&gt; turned into crap before *and* after Walt Simonson left the book: Tom DeFalco&#039;s totally lame scripts. DeFalco had originally ruined &lt;I&gt;Thor&lt;/i&gt; to the point of cancellation before Walt took over the book with a then-radical new approach and style, and shot the book into the top ten practically overnight. When DeFalco became EIC, he reportedly took unfair advantage of his being the Marvel EIC back then to secure two flagship titles, and because of his being embarassed over his run on &lt;i&gt;Thor&lt;/i&gt;, decided to try again, and put the book on it&#039;s perpetual slide that not even Oeming&#039;s stellar work could stem away from cancellation.

...When you get down to it, the only notable thing about DeFalco&#039;s &lt;I&gt;FF&lt;/i&gt; run was the art of Paul Ryan. It gave the book the &quot;clean techno&quot; look that the likes of Reed Richards and the Baxter Building need, and in many cases managed to catch the spirit of the old &quot;Kirby Kozmik&quot; that made &lt;i&gt;FF&lt;/i&gt; such a fun read. As for his &lt;I&gt;Thor&lt;/i&gt; run, the first one was so pedestrian that the only notable points were the introduction of Marvel&#039;s lamest villain ever, &quot;Locus&quot;, and the &quot;Crusader&quot;, who was a Christian Solder out to kill our favorite Thunder God because he was an &quot;affront&quot; to God/Yahweh/Roddenberry by his mere existence. 

&lt;b&gt;Bottom Line&lt;/b&gt;: People complain about Shooter&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Secret Wars&lt;/i&gt; being nothing more than a half-baked &quot;decompressed&quot; rehash of his classic &lt;i&gt;Korvac Saga&lt;/i&gt;, but when you compare it to DeFalco&#039;s runs on &lt;I&gt;Thor&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;FF&lt;/i&gt; it actually comes out almost as a minor literary masterpiece. In fact, that Tom DeFalco was such a literary genius that it makes one wonder if he&#039;d taught Chuckles Austen and Bruce Jones the tricks of the trade!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>...Something you left out there that's an important factor in *why* the FF's sales were going down the toilet. For the same reason sales on <i>Thor</i> turned into crap before *and* after Walt Simonson left the book: Tom DeFalco's totally lame scripts. DeFalco had originally ruined <i>Thor</i> to the point of cancellation before Walt took over the book with a then-radical new approach and style, and shot the book into the top ten practically overnight. When DeFalco became EIC, he reportedly took unfair advantage of his being the Marvel EIC back then to secure two flagship titles, and because of his being embarassed over his run on <i>Thor</i>, decided to try again, and put the book on it's perpetual slide that not even Oeming's stellar work could stem away from cancellation.</p>
<p>...When you get down to it, the only notable thing about DeFalco's <i>FF</i> run was the art of Paul Ryan. It gave the book the "clean techno" look that the likes of Reed Richards and the Baxter Building need, and in many cases managed to catch the spirit of the old "Kirby Kozmik" that made <i>FF</i> such a fun read. As for his <i>Thor</i> run, the first one was so pedestrian that the only notable points were the introduction of Marvel's lamest villain ever, "Locus", and the "Crusader", who was a Christian Solder out to kill our favorite Thunder God because he was an "affront" to God/Yahweh/Roddenberry by his mere existence. </p>
<p><b>Bottom Line</b>: People complain about Shooter's <i>Secret Wars</i> being nothing more than a half-baked "decompressed" rehash of his classic <i>Korvac Saga</i>, but when you compare it to DeFalco's runs on <i>Thor</i> and <i>FF</i> it actually comes out almost as a minor literary masterpiece. In fact, that Tom DeFalco was such a literary genius that it makes one wonder if he'd taught Chuckles Austen and Bruce Jones the tricks of the trade!</p>
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