Kotaku is basically a smug circlejerk of self-satisfied Nintendo fans to start with, so naturally the fact that anyone could even jokingly impugn the same medium which has produced such visionary artists as Koji Kondo and Shigeru Miyamoto is like saying “you know, slavery wasn’t that bad” to them.
However, had Millar just said “The PS3 is for pedos,” they would have loved him forever.
Comics and games have like the same target audience. Its funny that anybody actually took this serious and got mad. This would be like me saying 95% of the net is racist and causing an uproar. They really need to lighten up and put the ketboards down.
This is a simple misunderstanding as Millar must have been referring them as pedodontic dentists, who, as we all know, he holds in the highest regard. Millar, being British, cannot help himself but to admire denstistry of all kinds.
Oh, yes. Gamers have far shorter tempers than comic fans, are far less restrained, and are far quicker and more intense than their defense of the medium. I find this intensely hilarious… the gaming community that Kotaku represents is not likely to forgive or forget a gaffe like this. It’ll be interesting to see if this results in any actual fallout for Millar, or if it’s just video game fans spewing empty hyperbole as usual.
Eh. Millar says something stupidly peuriile in an attempt to seem cool and ironic in an interview, and a gang of equally peurile people duly allow their shit to be stirred up.
They all deserve each other. The rest of us don’t.
Mark Millar wrote the Electronic Arts title “Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects.” The game debuted to extremely bad reviews (usually something like a 6/10), but usually poor gameplay was cited as the reason for the negativity, and often Millar’s story cited as one of the few good points the game had. Millar may very well have expected most gamers to remember Marvel Nemesis and “get the joke”; but Nemesis was so roundly trashed and quickly forgotten that he really has no presence with the gaming community at large.
Yea, I’m pretty sure it was Greg Pak and Jae Lee who wrote the comic. I’m not sure who wrote the story for the video game.
Also, from blog.newsarama.com:
“Luckily, Mark’s feeling penitant:
‘That’s hilarious. A clear indication that gamers are twitchy and guilty if they can’t take a joke. I love it. These guys should spend less time whacking off to Miss Lara Croft and more time reading Spider-Man’”
‘That’s hilarious. A clear indication that gamers are twitchy and guilty if they can’t take a joke. I love it. These guys should spend less time whacking off to Miss Lara Croft and more time reading Spider-Man’”
that’s not fair. I read tomb raider and play spider man 2.
Millar worked on the game, a bunch of major reviews cited it, and I believe EA released a press release announcing that Millar was doing the game plot. He probably didn’t work on the comic, since… well, he has better things to do.
“The funniest ones are the guys who talk about how they’d totally beat him up, but video games are what’s restraining them.”
For me it was: “Still, it’s not like this fucker boned…who’s hot these days, Grace Park…Jessica Alba. That works. It’s not like he boned Jessica Alba, it’s not as if he can really brag to his friends “Yeah, I, uh, I write for comic books.”
That said, we’re no better than them - a lot people through out point out that it is a joke, and most of them seem to know who Millar is - in a sense, we ARE them.
Well some of them.
Obviously I’m not.
Sean Whitmore is though.
That said - Spiderman 2 The Game, was better than the movie AND the comics - and I mean in terms of stroy alone.
Oddly, Ultimate Spiderman, the game, written by a comics writer, managed to be worse than both.
Did anybody click the “stupidity day” link in that article?
It leads to a piece about 2000ad artist Ian Gibson saying that for comics to compete with games “They need to tell stories. They are not producing great literary works and I don’t see why they shouldn’t try. The Playstation will never tell stories.”
Which is a reasonably sensible observation… but according to Kotaku that’s “biting the hand that feeds you” because 2000ad is owned by a games company. Apparently he’s “forgotten his place”!
The rest of the Ian Gibson story is ridiculous - it’s like telling a filmmaker off for rubbishing the company that owns the company they sold a film to once.
But I disagree with Gibson about consoles never telling stories - some games have told good stories, some really good (admittedly, the one’s I think are really good weren’t from a playstation) - so I think the potential for great ones is near by.
(I think games might be near where comics were in the 70’s at the moment).
I don’t know what is worse, the fact I can’t tell if Millar was being serious or joking, or how stupid both sides are being.
I think either millar was being stupid and trying to make a joke (which I can’t find the humor in, I mean seriously, he called a large group of geekdom child molesters, I can’t see how that’s funny.) or he just said it to get a ton of free publicity. Which is what I am leaning towards now, given other things he has said in the past.
I find it funny how geeks on both sides are tying to imply the otherside have no life. Talk about pot being black.
That’s hilarious. A clear indication that gamers are twitchy and guilty if they can’t take a joke. I love it. These guys should spend less time whacking off to Miss Lara Croft and more time reading Spider-Man’”
that’s not fair. I read tomb raider and play spider man 2.
“That’s hilarious. A clear indication that gamers are twitchy and guilty if they can’t take a joke. I love it. These guys should spend less time whacking off to Miss Lara Croft and more time reading Spider-Man’”
“that’s not fair. I read tomb raider and play spider man 2.”
I think either millar was being stupid and trying to make a joke (which I can’t find the humor in, I mean seriously, he called a large group of geekdom child molesters, I can’t see how that’s funny.) or he just said it to get a ton of free publicity. Which is what I am leaning towards now, given other things he has said in the past.
I think it was quite obviously a silly throwaway joke buried in an article showing photos of his house. It wasn’t the best joke in the world, but then it was only a throwaway four word joke. I’m sure I’ve made worse.
The sad thing about geeks is they can go mental when they feel threatened
And even that is skewed, considering how Marvel will release everything in trade, whereas Darkhorse/Vertigo/DC are a little more conservative with their publishing habits. It’s got to be a really landmark series to get a trade from DC.
God I wish they would release O’Neill’s The Question.
“You think they actually know something that wasn’t told to them in a cutscene during Final Fantasy?”
actually, the random gamer bashing is getting vaguely worrying now. I’ve played games since I was old enough to switch a computer on and enjoy both games and comics with equal amounts of OMG, AWESOME. And for what its worth, some of the final fantasy titles tell absolutely amazing stories.
“actually, the random gamer bashing is getting vaguely worrying now. I’ve played games since I was old enough to switch a computer on and enjoy both games and comics with equal amounts of OMG, AWESOME. And for what its worth, some of the final fantasy titles tell absolutely amazing stories.”
That wasn’t really gamer-bashing as much as it was these-particular-guys-bashing. I loved FF IX.
Gamers who read comics tend to only read Vertigo and other non-superhero stuff, so there’s this weird perception in a lot of the industry that superhero comics sell poorly and are on the way out. Gamers also kinda tend not to check sales charts, and frequently assume even favorite titles sell way more than they do.
(I play video games for a living, so if anyone gets to make fun of gamers in this thread, it’s me…)
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43 Comments
Jesse
February 28, 2007 at 4:34 pm
Eh, they’re taking shots at Mark Millar, that smug SOB. The more the better, I say.
Dick Hyacinth
February 28, 2007 at 4:44 pm
The rabbit has a timely comment. The impending video game vs. comic book war is going to end in tears, or at least whimpers.
Michael
February 28, 2007 at 5:02 pm
What’s great is how most of them are bitching about Civil War.
Sean Whitmore
February 28, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Wait, did Millar ACTUALLY call them pedophiles? Or is that some weird Scots slang?
SEAN
Dave
February 28, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Kotaku is basically a smug circlejerk of self-satisfied Nintendo fans to start with, so naturally the fact that anyone could even jokingly impugn the same medium which has produced such visionary artists as Koji Kondo and Shigeru Miyamoto is like saying “you know, slavery wasn’t that bad” to them.
However, had Millar just said “The PS3 is for pedos,” they would have loved him forever.
D.B.
February 28, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Comics and games have like the same target audience. Its funny that anybody actually took this serious and got mad. This would be like me saying 95% of the net is racist and causing an uproar. They really need to lighten up and put the ketboards down.
Apodaca
February 28, 2007 at 5:42 pm
The funniest ones are the guys who talk about how they’d totally beat him up, but video games are what’s restraining them.
Uh huh.
I would like to see a cage match of all the internet tough guys vs. each other, last one not crying wins.
veghead
February 28, 2007 at 6:00 pm
This is a simple misunderstanding as Millar must have been referring them as pedodontic dentists, who, as we all know, he holds in the highest regard. Millar, being British, cannot help himself but to admire denstistry of all kinds.
Adam Jones
February 28, 2007 at 6:16 pm
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
HARUMPH HARUMPH HARUMPH!
Lynxara
February 28, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Oh, yes. Gamers have far shorter tempers than comic fans, are far less restrained, and are far quicker and more intense than their defense of the medium. I find this intensely hilarious… the gaming community that Kotaku represents is not likely to forgive or forget a gaffe like this. It’ll be interesting to see if this results in any actual fallout for Millar, or if it’s just video game fans spewing empty hyperbole as usual.
Omar Karindu
February 28, 2007 at 7:15 pm
Eh. Millar says something stupidly peuriile in an attempt to seem cool and ironic in an interview, and a gang of equally peurile people duly allow their shit to be stirred up.
They all deserve each other. The rest of us don’t.
Lynxara
February 28, 2007 at 7:22 pm
Hate to post again so quick, but…
Mark Millar wrote the Electronic Arts title “Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects.” The game debuted to extremely bad reviews (usually something like a 6/10), but usually poor gameplay was cited as the reason for the negativity, and often Millar’s story cited as one of the few good points the game had. Millar may very well have expected most gamers to remember Marvel Nemesis and “get the joke”; but Nemesis was so roundly trashed and quickly forgotten that he really has no presence with the gaming community at large.
Sean Whitmore
February 28, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Off topic, but I love playing “Nemesis” specifically FOR the gameplay. Beats the hell out of any of those old “Marvel vs ___” fighting games.
I was only vaguely aware it had a story.
thekamisama
February 28, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Just like pedos to use the old “bait and switch” to distract people from seeing them piddle the kiddies.
Adam Jones
February 28, 2007 at 9:08 pm
You prefer Nemesis over Marvel vs Capcom 2?
Blasphmy!
david brothers
February 28, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Mark Millar wrote the Electronic Arts title “Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects.”
I could’ve sworn that Greg Pak was behind it?
Adam Jones
February 28, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Yea, I’m pretty sure it was Greg Pak and Jae Lee who wrote the comic. I’m not sure who wrote the story for the video game.
Also, from blog.newsarama.com:
“Luckily, Mark’s feeling penitant:
‘That’s hilarious. A clear indication that gamers are twitchy and guilty if they can’t take a joke. I love it. These guys should spend less time whacking off to Miss Lara Croft and more time reading Spider-Man’”
Paperghost
February 28, 2007 at 11:07 pm
‘That’s hilarious. A clear indication that gamers are twitchy and guilty if they can’t take a joke. I love it. These guys should spend less time whacking off to Miss Lara Croft and more time reading Spider-Man’”
that’s not fair. I read tomb raider and play spider man 2.
Lynxara
February 28, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Millar worked on the game, a bunch of major reviews cited it, and I believe EA released a press release announcing that Millar was doing the game plot. He probably didn’t work on the comic, since… well, he has better things to do.
FunkyGreenJerusalem
March 1, 2007 at 12:58 am
“The funniest ones are the guys who talk about how they’d totally beat him up, but video games are what’s restraining them.”
For me it was: “Still, it’s not like this fucker boned…who’s hot these days, Grace Park…Jessica Alba. That works. It’s not like he boned Jessica Alba, it’s not as if he can really brag to his friends “Yeah, I, uh, I write for comic books.”
That said, we’re no better than them - a lot people through out point out that it is a joke, and most of them seem to know who Millar is - in a sense, we ARE them.
Well some of them.
Obviously I’m not.
Sean Whitmore is though.
That said - Spiderman 2 The Game, was better than the movie AND the comics - and I mean in terms of stroy alone.
Oddly, Ultimate Spiderman, the game, written by a comics writer, managed to be worse than both.
dave
March 1, 2007 at 1:38 am
my GOD that’s a depressing site…
Did anybody click the “stupidity day” link in that article?
It leads to a piece about 2000ad artist Ian Gibson saying that for comics to compete with games “They need to tell stories. They are not producing great literary works and I don’t see why they shouldn’t try. The Playstation will never tell stories.”
Which is a reasonably sensible observation… but according to Kotaku that’s “biting the hand that feeds you” because 2000ad is owned by a games company. Apparently he’s “forgotten his place”!
!!!
DanCJ
March 1, 2007 at 2:09 am
Ah fun fun fun!
FunkyGreenJerusalem
March 1, 2007 at 2:19 am
The rest of the Ian Gibson story is ridiculous - it’s like telling a filmmaker off for rubbishing the company that owns the company they sold a film to once.
But I disagree with Gibson about consoles never telling stories - some games have told good stories, some really good (admittedly, the one’s I think are really good weren’t from a playstation) - so I think the potential for great ones is near by.
(I think games might be near where comics were in the 70’s at the moment).
David Looney
March 1, 2007 at 3:24 am
I don’t know what is worse, the fact I can’t tell if Millar was being serious or joking, or how stupid both sides are being.
I think either millar was being stupid and trying to make a joke (which I can’t find the humor in, I mean seriously, he called a large group of geekdom child molesters, I can’t see how that’s funny.) or he just said it to get a ton of free publicity. Which is what I am leaning towards now, given other things he has said in the past.
I find it funny how geeks on both sides are tying to imply the otherside have no life. Talk about pot being black.
fanboy d
March 1, 2007 at 4:32 am
pedo means ’slacker’ in scotland
J To The AAP
March 1, 2007 at 4:43 am
But do you wack off to them?
Paperghost
March 1, 2007 at 7:15 am
“That’s hilarious. A clear indication that gamers are twitchy and guilty if they can’t take a joke. I love it. These guys should spend less time whacking off to Miss Lara Croft and more time reading Spider-Man’”
“that’s not fair. I read tomb raider and play spider man 2.”
“But do you wack off to them?”
I Stephen Wacker off to them.
jack o´lantern
March 1, 2007 at 7:31 am
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DanCJ
March 1, 2007 at 8:03 am
I think it was quite obviously a silly throwaway joke buried in an article showing photos of his house. It wasn’t the best joke in the world, but then it was only a throwaway four word joke. I’m sure I’ve made worse.
The sad thing about geeks is they can go mental when they feel threatened
Dave
March 1, 2007 at 2:06 pm
From kotaku:
“Not surprised this came from a marvel writer. No wonder Dark Horse and DC’s Vertigo comics are kicking Marvels butt in sales.”
Do these people even look at sales charts, or do they just make up whatever they think will prove their point?
Da Fug
March 1, 2007 at 2:49 pm
The animals are chatty this week. Did someone change the pet food?
Michael
March 1, 2007 at 3:02 pm
“Do these people even look at sales charts, or do they just make up whatever they think will prove their point?”
I imagine he meant in bookstore trade sales.
Of course, manga’s still kicking all their asses in that venue…
Adam Jones
March 1, 2007 at 3:42 pm
“I imagine he meant in bookstore trade sales.”
And even that is skewed, considering how Marvel will release everything in trade, whereas Darkhorse/Vertigo/DC are a little more conservative with their publishing habits. It’s got to be a really landmark series to get a trade from DC.
God I wish they would release O’Neill’s The Question.
Dave
March 1, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Well, actually the only reason DH and Vertigo topped Marvel in trade sales this year are the movies for Sin City and V for Vendetta.
Sean Whitmore
March 1, 2007 at 7:39 pm
“Do these people even look at sales charts, or do they just make up whatever they think will prove their point?”
You think they actually know something that wasn’t told to them in a cutscene during Final Fantasy?
SEAN
Sean Whitmore
March 1, 2007 at 7:41 pm
“Well some of them.
Obviously I’m not.
Sean Whitmore is though.”
Mentiroso…!
Paperghost
March 1, 2007 at 10:12 pm
“You think they actually know something that wasn’t told to them in a cutscene during Final Fantasy?”
actually, the random gamer bashing is getting vaguely worrying now. I’ve played games since I was old enough to switch a computer on and enjoy both games and comics with equal amounts of OMG, AWESOME. And for what its worth, some of the final fantasy titles tell absolutely amazing stories.
Sean Whitmore
March 1, 2007 at 10:38 pm
“actually, the random gamer bashing is getting vaguely worrying now. I’ve played games since I was old enough to switch a computer on and enjoy both games and comics with equal amounts of OMG, AWESOME. And for what its worth, some of the final fantasy titles tell absolutely amazing stories.”
That wasn’t really gamer-bashing as much as it was these-particular-guys-bashing. I loved FF IX.
SEAN
Dave
March 1, 2007 at 10:47 pm
I enjoyed IX myself, although I think XII is probably my favorite of the series yet.
Paperghost
March 1, 2007 at 11:16 pm
“That wasn’t really gamer-bashing as much as it was these-particular-guys-bashing. I loved FF IX. :)”
Okay thats cool, I can pull my black mage costume back out from underneath the bed then
Lynxara
March 2, 2007 at 1:16 am
Gamers who read comics tend to only read Vertigo and other non-superhero stuff, so there’s this weird perception in a lot of the industry that superhero comics sell poorly and are on the way out. Gamers also kinda tend not to check sales charts, and frequently assume even favorite titles sell way more than they do.
(I play video games for a living, so if anyone gets to make fun of gamers in this thread, it’s me…)
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