Comments on: Man, Don't You Just Hate When People Spoil Comic Books on the Internet?

By: The Mad Monkey

The Mad Monkey — Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:07:56 +0000

Okay...I stand corrected on Nextwave...
Kudos to Marvel and Warren for allowing it to end than not have Immonen on it.
If nothing else, I'll always have..."Nextwave are in your room and touching your stuff."
Good times...
Good times...

I still don't much care for that Joe Q. guy, though.

By: Omar Karindu

Omar Karindu — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:57:20 +0000

My complaints about Civil War have had little to do with some notion that the ending was "a whimper." In fact, most of the complaints I've seen around here have been about the politics of the story, and the bizarrely selective and pessimistic idea of "realism" that seems to animate it as a project.

By: Rob

Rob — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:31:44 +0000

The one thing I don't understand is that when civil war 7 ends with more of a whimper then a bang people complain that nothing happened. Then when something does happen in Captain America #25 people complain that something big happened just for hype. Kind of a darned if you do and darned if you don't situation for Marvel.

By: Adam Jones

Adam Jones — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:53:38 +0000

In Defense of Joe Q, he didn't put the red light on Nextwave. Stuart Immonen got the Ultimate Spiderman gig, didn't have time for Nextwave, and Warren Ellis didn't want to do the book without him. When Immonen has time, we'll see more Nextwave.

By: The Mad Monkey

The Mad Monkey — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:54:00 +0000

At one, brief moment in my life, I thought that Joe Quesada might actually do something that no other EIC at Marvel ever did...
...make me like Marvel Comics...

Well...it looks as though that brief moment turned out to be a moment too long.

I've always kept a small collection of Marvel's comics going. A mini-series here, a favorite creator's run there, etc. But, since I had the misfortune of having Norman Osborn's "O" face glare at me, I have come to believe that nothing good will come from Joe's reign.

Okay...I'll alter that last remark to say that very few things will be good. After all, he did green light (and then red light) Nextwave.

The recent goings-on at the House Of Ill-planned Ideas just reinforces my dream of starting a new comic company that doesn't take the reader for granted.

Oh yeah...
Dan DiDio and DC Comics...
You guys aren't looking so hot lately either.

Just counting the days now until I've finally had enough and just quit comics altogether...*sigh*...

By: J To The AAP

J To The AAP — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:57:48 +0000

The month after: Superman falls down stairs, breaks neck!

Hey, I'd read that story. Those stairs would do more than any villain ever did and it would be more believable than a villain doing it.

By: DanCJ

DanCJ — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:57:41 +0000

Well I had it spoiled this morning by three separate headlines on the CBR front page - annoying!

By: Adam Jones

Adam Jones — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 04:16:08 +0000

What sucks is how even if you are good at avoiding the spoilers (as I was when Spidey unmasked), you still have everyone in your office/calling you all day to ask you about it because they happen to have read something on Yahoo.

God damn did that infuriate me.

By: John Seavey

John Seavey — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:49:10 +0000

On actually reading the issue, I thought the whole thing felt sort of perfunctory--"Let's get the death-faking out of the way, so we can get on to the real plot." Without spoiling anything for anyone, the person behind the "death" has a long, long history of being in a position where he could easily kill Captain America, but instead coming up with an over-complicated plot that leaves him alive so he can "suffer". (See how I left that a big mystery. )

The "death" is obviously faked, he doesn't even die on-panel, and the only aspect that's irritating is the fact that they're reporting it in the news as real. (Which doesn't annoy me because of the spoiling, but because the news isn't going to later report, "Captain America alive after all!" So ten years from now, I'm going to still be explaining to non-comics fans that he came back. Heck, I think most people probably just found out from this article that they brought back Superman. )

By: Matt

Matt — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:43:26 +0000

Steve Rogers > Ronin.

Ronin sucks.

I can't help but wonder if this was Brubaker's idea or if it was forced on him thanks to Civil War.

-M

By: Mark Black

Mark Black — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:21:40 +0000

It seems rather convenient for Cap to "die", right as they're introducing a new Ronin in the pages of New Avengers. They've hinted that it's going to be a character with a long history of identity changes. Cap/Steve Roger fits that bill perfectly (Nomad, The Captain) and he's also, in essence, a samurai without a master. I could be wrong, but Cap's death seems like a convenient way to give Steve Rogers the Ronin identity and keep fans guessing as to who is/will be the newest Ronin. "Clearly it can't be a dead character!" I don't know though, I would be surprised if they had a staged Cap killing in Captain America. Didn't they already do that once with John Walker?

By: Scavenger

Scavenger — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:57:17 +0000

I agree.....would have been nice if CBR didn't have the spoiler splashed across the front page....Newsarama managed not to do it.

By: Rebis

Rebis — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:26:33 +0000

Actually, I thought of a potential upside to this: Maybe some non-comics-reading rube* will now pay for my Civil War run on eBay.

* That's distinct from me, the comics-reading curious rube who bought it to begin with.

By: trilobite

trilobite — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:57:44 +0000

I don't want to read this. I don't like Brubaker's take on the character -- don't get me wrong, I think Brubaker can tell a good story and all, but Cap himself has come across as rather a generic morose, taciturn tough guy -- and anyway I see two possibilities: 1) They've actually killed Cap off, in an anticlimactic and, frankly, dull way 2) The death is as real as Foggy Nelson's in Brubaker's other book, or as Bucky's once Brubaker got his hands on this book. In either case, why bother reading it? Nah. I'll hope for the best and wait until somebody writes a version of the character I like again. It's been a while. I hear rumors that Punisher is to take on the Cap mantle, which sounds ridiculous to me. Even if I could buy that Frank was inspired by the example of a dedicated non-killer, the man just doesn't have the chops without his guns. And Cap with an AK-47 is just the Punisher in a funny outfit.

By: Jason

Jason — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:45:11 +0000

I just want to know if he'll be buried in a tarp like Goliath.

Really, unless Adam Warren, Christopher Priest and/or Nextwave is involved, I'm not buying Marvel.

By: Tom Foss

Tom Foss — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:41:08 +0000

Cap now dead for second time in twelve years.

Technically third, isn't it? He "died" in Onslaught, too.

The month after: Superman falls down stairs, breaks neck!

I have so very many tasteless, callous jokes running through my head now. At least you said "stairs" and not "horse."

By: DCD

DCD — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:28:00 +0000

Jesus Buddha Spongebob whatever, don't let Bucky end up in that outfit...

By: Levantine

Levantine — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:12:06 +0000

themselves. I meant the gods themselves.

By: Levantine

Levantine — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:11:44 +0000

It's a special gimmick-bullet. Given to the sniper by the gods himself to increase Marvel sales.

Of course the sniper had no idea what that meant, but he decided to go with it.

And might I say kudos to Captain America for escaping the 616 universe!

By: Bryan C

Bryan C — Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:57:08 +0000

Yawn. Can we please find some writers who actually care about, you know, telling stories? Instead of playing at pretentious cultural and literary deconstruction exersizes? Or at least give these posers some of their own characters to screw up for a change?

And, seriously, A sniper? I guess that chainmail all over Cap's costume is just for show. Can you get any more lazy and contrived? When they "killed" Superman they at least made it exciting.

And how in the world would a measly shoulder and gut wound drop Captain America, anyway? He shrugs off mortal wounds for kicks. Heck, even Bucky would probably have laughed it off.