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Where Were You When You Found out Captain America Died? (And Other Random Comic Thoughts)
- by Brad Curran
- in General
I was in the computer lab at the school where I work myself, helping my students do research for an essay. I saw it on the main page of Yahoo. That's the weirdest place I've seen a comics spoiler in. The best part of it was that they used a picture of a guy in an excruciatingly bad Cap costume to accompany the article.Speaking of comics on the main page of ISPs, here's a list of Moviefone's 20 best comic movies, with minimal comments from me:
It was nice to see some non-superhero stuff make the list. As much of a superhero nerd as I am, I probably would have listed Ghost World higher. American Splendor, too.
On a related note, isn't it funny that Scarlett Johansson is the biggest star in that movie, and she was in it for, what, 15 minutes?
Sin City as the top choice? Really? That's one for the "It wasn't that good" file, despite Alexis Bledel's portrayl of the most sympathetic ninja hooker traitor ever, and Robert Rodriguez achieving the amazing feet of making Mickey Rourke even uglier than usual. I mean, I'm glad it got Frank Miller all of the noteriety it did and all, but I think calling it the best comic book movie everOf course, my favorite movie on the list was Hellboy, so your mileage may vary.
On the other hand, 300 is the first comic adaptation I've been genuinely excited about in a long time. And I was underwhelemed by the comic. Which I do need to re-read, because I remember next to nothing about it, besides the surely historically accurate mutant hunchback.
Howard the Duck was robbed. And, because he was his fiction suit, so was Steve Gerber. Both of the phrases apply specifically and in general. But I seriously have a soft spot in my heart for that movie. It probably helped that I saw it when I was six or so. But can you think of a better portrayl of the love between a humanoid duck and Lea Thompson in cinema history?
I need to Google around and find out what Gerber thought of the movie. That would probably be an entertaining read.
Oh, and what about the Ninja Turtles? Do people even remember they came from comics? Also, is anyone suprised that they're still around and about to star in another movie? I was part of the generation that made them such a huge pop cultural phenomenon as kids, and I'm kind of amazed they've hung in there and look to be ready for a second (at least) wind.
Beyond Cap's death announcment being on every screen in the computer lab, I also encountered comics in another way at school today. The Scholastic Book Fair was set up in the library. I'd noticed they had some manga and color Bone volumes earlier, but was actually able to browse their full offerings today, and found some more comics content. They had a nice selection for the tween set (which all of their offerings seemed to be aimed at; why they were in a high school, I'm not sure). There was manga I was only vaguely familiar with, some Marvel Adventures Digests and Encyclopedias, and a Calvin and Hobbes collection. Not a bad mix.
So, of course, the book I gravitated to amongst all of these was the one featuring material produced beforeI was born. It was a digest sized, color reprint of the first six issues of Len Wein and Bernie Wrightson's Swamp Thing, which had to win the award for biggest sore thumb amongst the comics selections. But hey, I'd been meaning to pick this up, and I got it for five bucks, so I'm not complaining.
I'm always glad to see comics outside of their usual contexts, even if it's kind of sad that it makes me so excited. Part of it is being happy to see the medium start to make its way out of the "ghetto" of the direct market and sparse book store graphic novel sections, sure; but it's also the biggest form of nostalgia I indulge in within the medium (since I can't be nostalgic for the actual comics I grew up with, because I was a kid in the 90s). It reminds me of the days when comics were in every grocery and convenience store in town. Every time I see a GN, or even a single issue that seems to wind up in the magzine section by accident, at a place like Wal Mart or HEB (a big grocery store chain in Texas), it gives me hope for the future of the medium. And if I happen to get more cheap bronze age horror comic reprints out of it, that's just gravy.
I have the latest issues Jeff Smith's Shazam series and Darwyn Cooke's Spirit waiting for me in my pull box. That gives me hope for a giant nerd boner for the weekend. I'm still trying to get that phrase over. Slowly.
- Posted on March 7, 2007 @ 10:29 PM






27 Comments
Dave
March 7, 2007 at 11:18 pm
Based off of that list, I'd say History of Violence was by far and away the best movie of any of those featured on the list, both as an actual movie and as one of the few movies I've ever seen that is vastly superior to its source material.
My God, Sin City was a steaming pile of shit, though. I was actually embarrassed to be a fan of the comics when I saw it. To this day I have no idea how it ever attracted as much praise as it did. The acting is utterly atrocious, the editing is pedestrian at best, the action scenes are boring, and the blood looks like pigeon shit. I'm all for faithful adaptations of comics, but can we please get someone with actual skill directing them instead of Tarantino's talentless Mexican protege?
DCD
March 7, 2007 at 11:33 pm
I don't think the costume was even that bad so much as, it looked like Kevin James from King of Queens.
I found out about it that way too, by the way. It was bumped off the front by a monkey getting scared of its own reflection. Truly a proud day for comics.
Billy F
March 8, 2007 at 1:32 am
I heard it on the CBS News At Noon in New York, and confussingly listened as the anchors offered their own opinions on why they thought Cap is dead. I have determined that for these reporters, noon is too early to do any research for stories, since one of them suggested that Cap was killed because (and I paraphrase) "his 93 year old creator probably got tired of the character".
And the other anchor said that no one's sure why Cap has died. I'm begining to appriciate Jonathan Hickman's "The Nightly News" more and more...
Tenzil
March 8, 2007 at 5:54 am
Alexis Bledel? Really?
I thought Sin City was pretty good myself. Certainly not deserving of some of the hyperbolic fanboy revulsion it often gets.
Jussy
March 8, 2007 at 6:39 am
Well, most sites that I've been too have dutifully put "Cap 25 *spoilers inside* including this blog. Until we get to this article
So yeah, nice one. I won't be coming back to this blog again now.
Mike Loughlin
March 8, 2007 at 6:52 am
In an interview with Comic Book Artist, the interviewer asked Gerber, "What did you think of the Howard the Duck movie?"
Gerber replied, "What did everybody think of it? It wasn't a good movie."
Tony Bell
March 8, 2007 at 6:54 am
Where was the Thomas Jane Punisher movie on that list? While not a cinematic masterpiece, it was a very fun action/revenge movie and a very true adaption of The Punisher himself. Plus Travolta as the villain was a great casting choice AND he played Howard Saint kind of low key and not over the top. I would have put that on the list instead of that awful Hulk movie(8 minutes of cool Hulk footage doesn't offset 2 1/2 hours of a boring family drama).
Josh
March 8, 2007 at 7:18 am
I found out right after work in the elevator, of all places. My building has a little news-crawl-type thing that plays in the elevators. As you say, weird place for a comic spoiler! So Jussy, if I may say, if you hadn't heard it from this blog you would have probably seen it on the news somewhere. Don't hate!
David C
March 8, 2007 at 7:30 am
I think I first saw the news the traditional way - on Tuesday on a message board.
But yesterday I was amused to see how foxnews.com reported the story. It was the lead story, at least for a time, and the headline was just "CAPTAIN AMERICA DEAD," in pretty large type, accompanied by Epting's art from the splash page.
Epting's art is pretty "photo-realistic," and especially when shrunken down on a news website, it looked like an actual photograph of an actual Captain America's death.
The overall effect was funny, like I was actually looking at a web site from the Marvel Universe.
Omar Karindu
March 8, 2007 at 8:34 am
I spotted it as a banner headline when I went online to check the weather forecast via Yahoo.
Ninjawookie
March 8, 2007 at 9:04 am
agreed, Sin City is overrated, Batman Begins should of been on top, they were just trying to be cool by not giving it to a corporate character.
Where was superman returns in all of this?
Spider-man was too high up on the list, as was X2, man that movie was long. + why didn't iceman just freeze the lake before they forced phoenix down out throats huh huh?
rant over
X-height
March 8, 2007 at 9:41 am
Let's just say that I work for a news company and we have a morning meeting where there is a call-in for the day's coverage. Someone read-in the item - double doh! blown by a Marvel release making the cut at all and the spoiler.
Patent Dragon
March 8, 2007 at 9:54 am
To answer the question, I was in front of my computer, checking out the CBR site, expecting them to handle the matter with a bit more common sense - (un)fortunately, the story hasn't been a big news item in the rest of the world, so that was the first of me seeing it.
Thanks a bunch.
Ye Olde Iowa
March 8, 2007 at 10:39 am
Wow, I'm really surprised by all of the hatred Sin City seems to be getting here. I thought it was a great adaptation. The editing alone puts it near the top of any list I could make. The acting was superb as a nice throwback to the film noir classics (though I can see if you aren't used to those conventions, its not going to seem that good). Plus, if nothing else, it looked like the comic come to life and is the only movie I've ever seen that can actually live up to that.
And seriously, who can praise Howard the Duck? That's just a bad, bad movie and a real shame too. The Howard comics were a lot of fun, but the movie completely missed the mark.
Richard
March 8, 2007 at 11:26 am
I made the mistake of reading Civil War The Initiative #1 before I read Captain America #25. So I didn't think he really died. Watching the news and reading Marvel's site made me realize it was true.
Richard
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Richard
March 8, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Where was I? I was reading a favorite blog of mine, "Comics Should Be Good" when I scrolled down and came across the headline that read "Where Were You When You Found Out Captain America Died?"
Seriously.
My friends had told me that there was a huge development in CA #25, and that the news was even in the mainstream media. They didn't spoil it for me, knowing that I get my comics via an online subscription and it would be about a week before I would receive my next shipment. I figured that the comics related sited would be kind enough to post Spoiler Warnings if they were reporting on thus huge development, and most had, so for about 24 hours, I've managed to avoid the news that he died. Until about 5 minutes ago. Thanks.
-r-
Grant
March 8, 2007 at 1:45 pm
Captain America is dead?
preston
March 8, 2007 at 3:13 pm
i saw it on my hometown newspaper website ajc.com, and let me tell you how pissed i was. i expect to be spoiled on comic websites and tend to avoid them on wednesdays, but i never thought it would happen during my daily ritual of reading the news to see if the world ended while i was sleeping. well, it was bound to be spoiled for me, just the shock of how made it worse.
Apodaca
March 8, 2007 at 3:32 pm
"My God, Sin City was a steaming pile of shit, though. I was actually embarrassed to be a fan of the comics when I saw it. To this day I have no idea how it ever attracted as much praise as it did. The acting is utterly atrocious, the editing is pedestrian at best, the action scenes are boring, and the blood looks like pigeon shit. I’m all for faithful adaptations of comics, but can we please get someone with actual skill directing them instead of Tarantino’s talentless Mexican protege?"
FINALLY. I thought I was the only one who hated that movie!
Apodaca
March 8, 2007 at 3:35 pm
"The acting was superb as a nice throwback to the film noir classics (though I can see if you aren’t used to those conventions, its not going to seem that good)."
No, it's not that. It's that I have absolutely zero interest in seeing a demonstration of conventions and formulas. I want CHARACTERS, with depth beyond "angry", "scared", or "sad".
There was no acting in that movie. Just stylized reading.
Omar Karindu
March 8, 2007 at 4:07 pm
Sin City is basically an experiment in hyperstylization, and as a result, its characters are less rounded than the bulk of the great noir films' protagonists. MacMurray in Double Indemnity, Mitchum in Out of the Past, Bogart in The Maltese Falcon, even Meeker in Kiss Me Deadly all craft characters of greater depth than the nearly-interchangeable protagonists of the Miller-Rodriguez film.
But that's sort of what Miller is going for in the comic and the film: the distillation of noir into its purely expressive elements, to the point that absurdly fantastic plot details like the Yellow Bastard's resurrection or the ninja hookers simply read as hyperstylized tropes rather than cross-genre trainwrecks. It's why the Elijah Wood part arguably isn't even a character; he's a plot function, an emblem.
But the characters, Bruce Willis's supercop Hartnell excepted, are effectively without human motivation in Sin City's vignettes. Marv is tough and has a code of honor, but we have no clue why he does or what it is he wants in general from his life. He is simply a man in a particular situation who functions in a particular way. Ditto Clive Owen's character. It's especially apparent with the minor folks who receive little to no dialogue. Why is Cardinal Rourke a murderous psychotic? Because he is, apparently.
That said, Michael Madsden is painful to watch in his few minutes of screen time, and...well, ninja hookers were a little too silly for me, sorry. It's an ok film.
I see no point in a sequel.
Lucion
March 8, 2007 at 5:36 pm
I saw the news on the CNN website. The headline was something about a superhero dying. They had a spoiler warning at the top of the article, but since I didn't read Civil War or Captain America I didn't mind at all.
I enjoy following all these huge crossovers through this blog and others. When does the World War Hulk/Back In Black hype start?
As for Howard the Duck, I don't think I've seen it since I was 10 years old. I've toyed with the idea of watching it. I think the idea sounds fun but I think I'll just stick with the warm nostalgia and not blow it.
Speaking of comic movies, I would go with "The Specials." I don't think it's based on a comic book, but it was everything I wanted in a comic book movie.
Johnny Dee
March 8, 2007 at 5:37 pm
Has everyone forgot about Tank Girl? Still one of my guilty pleasure favs! Naomi Watts before she played with the ape and Ice-T as a mad Kangaroo...
Good Stuff Maynard!!!
Tenzil
March 8, 2007 at 11:46 pm
Everyone knows the original 1960's Batman movie is the best Superhero movie ever made. (Closely followed by Superman 2).
Dave
March 8, 2007 at 11:57 pm
Watching Sin City and Kill Bill back to back makes you aware of the inherent failings of Sin City. They both have ludicrous plots and paper thin characterizations, but the difference is that in Kill Bill they utterly believe every line of dialogue and in Sin City every member of the cast just seems fucking embarassed to be there. Especially Madsen. My god, he seemed more enthusiastic about being in fucking Bloodrayne than Sin City.
FunkyGreenJerusalem
March 9, 2007 at 2:00 pm
"On a related note, isn’t it funny that Scarlett Johansson is the biggest star in that movie, and she was in it for, what, 15 minutes?"
Bob Balaban is the biggest star in that movie.
Well, he would be if I got to pick who the biggest stars were.
Matt Brady
March 9, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Hey, speaking of Scholastic/kid's comics, I recently read The Invention of Hugo Cabret, which is a really cool sorta-comic about a kid in Paris in the 30's. I have a review on my blog here . Sorry to shill, but it's fairly on topic with the content of the post.