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“A pile of crap melting in the sun” is a good description of everything Paul Pope draws–ugly and drippy.

I also don’t think “staid” means what you think it does; “characterized by sedate dignity and often a strait-laced sense of propriety” is not what I’d call Frank Cho’s boobie artwork.

And since when is adding thought balloons to a superhero comic “formal play”? Read an Alan Moore comic sometime.

Oops, I didn’t quite catch that you meant that Cho’s artwork in MA was different from his usual (except for the last page). At any rate, “staid” is still a silly word choice.

Those named after Ghost Rider characters have no place to judge a master storyteller like Paul Pope.

I’m pretty much off the Authority after that. I like the Morrison in Animal Man who thought realism was a bad idea,

Ooh. Gonna be a big mainstream week for me. I’ll get Fantastic Four ’cause of Stan and Paul Pope. And Zauriel ’cause of Gerber. And Monster Society ’cause of duh.

Don’t care about the story being told when the artwork looks so bad. The Batman Year 100 cover with a grunting Batman standing on top of a couple chimneys was ugly as sin.

Dammit, if only he weren’t so clever and subtle in his insults! Maybe then we could stand a chance against him!

I loved the Mole Man story in FF. The little mole men looked fantastic.

How can you not want Omega Flight!? I felt 12 years old again when I saw that splash page. Then again, I think I was 12 when Silvestri was first honing that art style over at Image.

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personally I don’t see anything wrong with using the word “staid” to describe Cho’s work.

You did notice the word “often” in the definition you quoted, yeah?

Basically, it’s a polite way of calling something BORING.

Oh, and Paul Pope is a goddamn GENIUS, man.

Paul Pope’s art makes funny things happen to my nethers.

I found the most disappointing thing about Authority #2 to be how little interest Morrison had in even attempting to write The Midnighter as anything other then a murderous caricature, especially after finishing the final arc of Midnighter. In the right hands, he has the potential to be the most interesting member of the team, but Morrison seems content to reduce him to just being the muscle of the team with no aspirations beyond the next person he’s going to kill.

Then again, it feels like the only characters on the team Morrison actually wants to write about are Hawksmoor and The Doctor anyway, so whatever. It’s not like we’re going to see the third issue for another 6 months anyway.

Silvestri was the perfect Wolverine artist in the early ’90s. His work was gritty on a superficial level, and the “big moments” came out impressive. The last time I liked his art was on the first few issues of The Darkness, another superficial grit-fest. As with Jim Lee & Rob Liefeld, I think his artistic development just sort of stopped.

Have you read any Steve Gerber comics prior to Zauriel? Essential Howard the Duck, Man-Thing, & Defenders contain some of the smartest, funniest, most distinct comics I’ve ever read. Hard Time was riveting. I also enjoyed Stewart the Rat & Foolkiller.

This is my first Gerber, outside of an odd issue of Hard Time that did nothing for me. Would you say his work is very “of its time” good? Or does it hold up?

Bingo on the Silvestri-looks-like-Finch part. So true! I though about getting out something by Finch for comparison purposes, but having four pages of that style in front of one’s eyes is madness.

“This is my first Gerber, outside of an odd issue of Hard Time that did nothing for me. Would you say his work is very “of its time” good? Or does it hold up?”

I felt like Essential Howard the Duck held up pretty well when I read it a few years ago, despite having some really dated ’70s references (the first couple issues have piss takes on Master of Kung Fu and Killraven, for instance). The actual meat of it is still full of enough piss and vinegar that it holds up, I think. Your milage, of course, may vary. Really, I’d say it was so far ahead of its time that it still feels fresh, but hey, I still like Claremont in small doses. I think Essential Howard is one of those must own trades, although I don’t neccessarily think so because of the craft or anything. It just has energy, you know?

The only other major Gerber thing I’ve read is Omega the Unknown was an interesting failure, but I wouldn’t neccessarily reccomend reading it, since it doesn’t really start to get going until right before it’s cancelled, and Gerber and his other collaborators didn’t ever get to wrap it up like they were supposed to. It’s another one ahead of its time; it would fit in perfectly in the current Marvel stable (although still probably be cancelled in 9 issues). So yeah, I wouldn’t judge Gerber by a couple of random issues (I was planning on buying Zauriel, because there’s a mixture of things I like there that I find really hard to resist).

Oh, and that was me, by the way.

Paul Pope is a bad artist because you can’t jerk off to his women.

Hahahahahahaaa!

Dude, I bet I could! I rarely find drawn things attractive, but his women are hooooottttt!

Michael — *Snicker*

On Steve Gerber - Yeah, he’s my favorite writer ever to work in the comics Mainstream. And the only guy who’s work I’ll buy, always, sight unseen. Even if I knew it was gonna suck I’d buy it, out of loyalty.

Individual comments:

Hard Time: I wasn’t so hot on the individual issues, either, but the book read really well as a whole. I needed to be able to say “Ooh. I see where he was going with that.”

Howard the Duck — Both “of it’s time” and very good. It reads like a seventies Marvel comic, so it’s still part pulp melodrama an’ full of ironic Stan Lee-isms. But it’s also got some very astute and surprisingly dark satire. It almost reads like a more politically aware and adult “Peanuts,” dealing with alienation and despair. Plus Frank Brunner and Gene Colan!

Defenders — After the first arc (about racial self-hatred) it was much sillier’n Howard, but still had an edge to it. Inconsistent art and Sal Buscema didn’t help, but still definitely worth reading.

Man-Thing: Took FOREVER to find it’s footing, (almost twelve issues) but there’s a handful of absolute gems buried in the muck. I’m sure I’ve said this before, but the “Dead Clown” story in issues 5 & 6 (I think) were ’bout the best thing Marvel’s ever done.

I’ll definitely check out Howard. I’ve never heard anything but praise for it.

Wow, lots of disagreeing this week! I thought the main story in FF #543 was fun (the FF work better for those quiet, character-moment issues than other teams, because they’ve got such great personalities and play off each other well.) While I thought the Paul Pope back-up looked sketchy, muddy, and generally unimpressive.

Civil War: The Initiative…watch me not disagree here. Like many of the one-shots added to the schedule when the whole thing started getting later and later, this turned out to be a glorified ad for other post-CW comics.

Mighty Avengers…I thought the issue read like Bendis had heard of thought balloons, but didn’t seem to know how to use them himself. Randomly scattering randomly-chosen phrases throughout the comic doesn’t seem like a good strategy for clear storytelling, even if it is a “realistic” use of thought balloons. Oh, and Bendis’ treatment of Iron Man continues to accelerate the character’s decline to the point at which Marvel will have to kill the character off, and replace him with a teenager, or a woman, or a frog or something. Because a teenage frog-girl would be more likeable inside that armor than Tony “Super-heroism is a dick-measuring contest with other super-heroes, and mine is HUGE!” Stark.

And SHAZAM!…I was really starting to worry about this comic as I got into issue two. I was starting to think that maybe Jeff Smith was so into “not getting it wrong” that he was being a little over-cautious, that he was writing something worthy, but staid and dull. Then Mary Marvel showed up, and all was well. “I don’t need a babysitter! I’m MARY MARVEL!” Perfect.

“I know I’m veering off-topic here, but if Charlie Huston wrote Moon Knight like an Altman movie in the 70s, I’d read it even with the weird Finch art.”

You should check out ‘Nowheresville’ by Mark Ricketts.
1950’s tale of a beatnik PI, who’s very zen.
Channels Altman like a motherfucker.

I didn’t like (or care about) the recap stuff in Zauriel, but everything else was good.

Loved the opener, with the Angel (failing) to teach Sunday school, and “Thank you, God.” Thought the bad guy was appropriately scary, and Zauriel bein’ all hornified in the middle of the fight… nice touch.

Probably woulda been better if it wasn’t the middle of a crossover, but whatcha gonna do.

And Monster Society was way good. Liked it much more than the first one. I’m a little sad it’ll only be four issues, which means we won’t get to see much of a Monster Society.

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