Comments on: Into the back issue box #21 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:12:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Tom Grindberg http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-277844 Tom Grindberg Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:34:53 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-277844 thanks for the nice comments.. keep those cards an letters coming true believers!!! thanks for the nice comments.. keep those cards an letters coming true believers!!!

]]> By: Kevin Kobasic http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-139987 Kevin Kobasic Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:02:59 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-139987 As a Marvel hack from the same era I have nothing but sympathy for Tom Grindberg, who was probably just trying to find a style that would get him some play in a difficult and baffling marketplace. It hurts to see him tagged with the dreaded "L" word--Leifeld--because the guy can draw like a son of a bitch. He once did a Werewolf By Night story that was downright EC-worthy. I quick look at his website will reveal that he's steeped in the work of the giants like Frazetta and Adams, even if he never quite found a style all his own. As a Marvel hack from the same era I have nothing but sympathy for Tom Grindberg, who was probably just trying to find a style that would get him some play in a difficult and baffling marketplace. It hurts to see him tagged with the dreaded “L” word–Leifeld–because the guy can draw like a son of a bitch. He once did a Werewolf By Night story that was downright EC-worthy. I quick look at his website will reveal that he’s steeped in the work of the giants like Frazetta and Adams, even if he never quite found a style all his own.

]]> By: Hudson http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-138307 Hudson Fri, 20 Jul 2007 04:42:31 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-138307 I caught this topic and I am glad to see that people still remember the book! I have my own opinion on this issue and the entire book as well on my blog. Comiculture.com I caught this topic and I am glad to see that people still remember the book! I have my own opinion on this issue and the entire book as well on my blog. Comiculture.com

]]> By: founder81 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-70371 founder81 Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:24:45 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-70371 This book looks so bad, it must be great. If I had this book, I would blank out all the text, send 1 page to a different person, have them re add text, then assemble the book again. -- I want to read the version. This book looks so bad, it must be great.

If I had this book, I would blank out all the text, send 1 page to a different person, have them re add text, then assemble the book again. — I want to read the version.

]]> By: layne http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-66817 layne Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:39:39 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-66817 <em>I like the fact Thunderstrike AND War Machine team up. Was US Agent busy?</em> Jesus, I can remember <a href="http://www.comics.org/covers.lasso?SeriesID=4668" rel="nofollow">this</a>*, but I still can't remember my parents' anniversary. I am so pathetic. *Probably because it put the kibosh on the super-awesome <em>The Revengers</em> proposal I worked up when I was 12. Still, pathetic. I like the fact Thunderstrike AND War Machine team up. Was US Agent busy?

Jesus, I can remember this*, but I still can’t remember my parents’ anniversary.
I am so pathetic.

*Probably because it put the kibosh on the super-awesome The Revengers proposal I worked up when I was 12.
Still, pathetic.

]]> By: Apodaca http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65778 Apodaca Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:04:35 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65778 "This comic may have sucked by Ron Marz > You." Doesn't matter. He's a reviewer, not a competitor. “This comic may have sucked by Ron Marz > You.”

Doesn’t matter. He’s a reviewer, not a competitor.

]]> By: Linkara http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65726 Linkara Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:04:04 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65726 Great column! This one's going on my list of comics to review. >:D Great column! This one’s going on my list of comics to review. >:D

]]> By: Stickler http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65622 Stickler Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:31:41 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65622 As bad as this comic is for a first-time reader (and it's pretty bad, I agree with all the criticism of the art), it's just as bad for a long-time reader. Eric Masterson was impersonating Thor during the Infinity Gauntlet - he has some of the funniest thought balloons in the series, like someone tells him such-and-such hero died and he thinks "I guess Thor knew that hero, I better say something nice." Then he says "A noble warrior, he shalt be missed!" and thinks "Hope they bought that." The point is, it defeats the whole concept of the story. Send Thunderstrike against Nebula because she's never faced him before! Actually, she has. La-a-a-a-a-ame. As bad as this comic is for a first-time reader (and it’s pretty bad, I agree with all the criticism of the art), it’s just as bad for a long-time reader. Eric Masterson was impersonating Thor during the Infinity Gauntlet – he has some of the funniest thought balloons in the series, like someone tells him such-and-such hero died and he thinks “I guess Thor knew that hero, I better say something nice.” Then he says “A noble warrior, he shalt be missed!” and thinks “Hope they bought that.” The point is, it defeats the whole concept of the story. Send Thunderstrike against Nebula because she’s never faced him before! Actually, she has. La-a-a-a-a-ame.

]]> By: sean http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65596 sean Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:22:40 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65596 Thanks Sanct. It always seemed doubtful to me. I'd like to hear what he meant (perhaps he was saying "It's #144, but they always sell out, while 'Avengers' and 'Thor' wind up in the quarter bins; or maybe he meant the final issue sold really well? I doubt that...), but I doubt that'll ever happen. And they *really* tried to push Thunderstrike too; he guest starred a lot compared to other fledgling heroes at the time. Thanks Sanct. It always seemed doubtful to me. I’d like to hear what he meant (perhaps he was saying “It’s #144, but they always sell out, while ‘Avengers’ and ‘Thor’ wind up in the quarter bins; or maybe he meant the final issue sold really well? I doubt that…), but I doubt that’ll ever happen.

And they *really* tried to push Thunderstrike too; he guest starred a lot compared to other fledgling heroes at the time.

]]> By: SanctumSanctorumComix http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65580 SanctumSanctorumComix Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:04:04 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65580 Nevermind... it was pretty easy to find. Took all of 3 minutes. http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2005/08/04/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-10/ ~P~ P-TOR Nevermind… it was pretty easy to find.
Took all of 3 minutes.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2005/08/04/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-10/

~P~
P-TOR

]]> By: SanctumSanctorumComix http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65578 SanctumSanctorumComix Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:01:08 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65578 Oh. As far as the Thunderstrike sold better than Thor and Avengers combined thing... I'm pretty sure it was already addressed in the Urban Legends" column here several months back. Sadly, I don't recall it's veracity. Anyone else recall / want to check? ~P~ P-TOR Oh.
As far as the Thunderstrike sold better than Thor and Avengers combined thing…

I’m pretty sure it was already addressed in the Urban Legends” column here several months back.

Sadly, I don’t recall it’s veracity.

Anyone else recall / want to check?

~P~
P-TOR

]]> By: SanctumSanctorumComix http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65577 SanctumSanctorumComix Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:58:57 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65577 While I hated the overall art on this issue (yes, I own it... I have the whole run, dammit) I DID really like the initial spread of Doctor Strange & his "sorcerous environment" as well as many of Grindberg's "magic spell shots". (Those images not shown completely in this post) Grindberg made some weirdo choices with this, but those initial pages weren't *too* bad. (as long as you ignore the gross anatomy) As for the rest, GAH! It doesn't help that the whole things seems to have been inked by a thick "Sharpieâ„¢" marker. I don't blame Grindberg (much), however. He was usually fairly sturdy in the art dept. Around this time Marvel was forcing MANY artists to "ape" Image style (and other popular / selling) art. If you recall, it was around this time that HERB TRIMPE was doing Leifeld riffs on Fantastic Four annuals and such. Poor guy could draw rings around the young guns, and they wouldn't give him ANY work unless he copied Liefeld. And then... they shit-canned him. For shame, Marvel. But, I must agree with your assessment to this comic and it's "gateway" accessibility (or lack thereof). Awful! ~P~ P-TOR While I hated the overall art on this issue (yes, I own it… I have the whole run, dammit) I DID really like the initial spread of Doctor Strange & his “sorcerous environment” as well as many of Grindberg’s “magic spell shots”.

(Those images not shown completely in this post)

Grindberg made some weirdo choices with this, but those initial pages weren’t *too* bad.
(as long as you ignore the gross anatomy)

As for the rest, GAH!

It doesn’t help that the whole things seems to have been inked by a thick “Sharpieâ„¢” marker.

I don’t blame Grindberg (much), however.
He was usually fairly sturdy in the art dept.

Around this time Marvel was forcing MANY artists to “ape” Image style (and other popular / selling) art.

If you recall, it was around this time that HERB TRIMPE was doing Leifeld riffs on Fantastic Four annuals and such.
Poor guy could draw rings around the young guns, and they wouldn’t give him ANY work unless he copied Liefeld.

And then… they shit-canned him.
For shame, Marvel.

But, I must agree with your assessment to this comic and it’s “gateway” accessibility (or lack thereof).

Awful!

~P~
P-TOR

]]> By: sean http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65574 sean Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:53:00 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65574 "War Machine has super-armor, and Thunderstrike has a big hammer" No he doesn't, he has a big mace. Come on, guys! "I remember reading somewhere that they canceled Thunderstrike (and killed him off) because it was selling better than (and taking attention away from) the main Thor book; I think the same article mentioned that, at the time it was cancelled, Thunderstrike was outselling Thor and the main Avengers book combined. Is that BS, or am I remembering correctly?" Jesse, I got into Thunderstrike for the same reason you did, and I have all of his guest appearances somewhere, including this one. I ever got the short-lived 'Blackwulf' series which spun out of it. I have definitely read the same thing you did, however it should be grain-of-salted, because Tom DeFalco was the one who came up with Thunderstrike, and Tom DeFalco is the one who was saying that it sold better. [He also said 'War Machine' sold better than 'Iron Man', I believe.] I've never seen that said by anybody besides DeFalco, so I don't know what to think of it. [Perhaps it would be a good Urban Legend to explore?] I don't know if Thunderstrike was ever great, but Eric Masteron was a great character, Marvel used him really well. I liked him better as Thor, but Thunderstrike was some good stuff. “War Machine has super-armor, and Thunderstrike has a big hammer”

No he doesn’t, he has a big mace. Come on, guys!

“I remember reading somewhere that they canceled Thunderstrike (and killed him off) because it was selling better than (and taking attention away from) the main Thor book; I think the same article mentioned that, at the time it was cancelled, Thunderstrike was outselling Thor and the main Avengers book combined. Is that BS, or am I remembering correctly?”

Jesse, I got into Thunderstrike for the same reason you did, and I have all of his guest appearances somewhere, including this one. I ever got the short-lived ‘Blackwulf’ series which spun out of it. I have definitely read the same thing you did, however it should be grain-of-salted, because Tom DeFalco was the one who came up with Thunderstrike, and Tom DeFalco is the one who was saying that it sold better. [He also said 'War Machine' sold better than 'Iron Man', I believe.] I’ve never seen that said by anybody besides DeFalco, so I don’t know what to think of it. [Perhaps it would be a good Urban Legend to explore?]

I don’t know if Thunderstrike was ever great, but Eric Masteron was a great character, Marvel used him really well. I liked him better as Thor, but Thunderstrike was some good stuff.

]]> By: Matt D http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65558 Matt D Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:08:59 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65558 Yeah, Marz is in no way a hack. He's one guy who, when put on a DC or Marvel title, will get me to try at least one issue, no matter what, and there's only a handful of those out there. In fact, if you go a few issues later, you've got the fun villains issues of Secret Defenders that he wrote. Of course, if you keep going, we get the Brevoort penned issues, and we don't like talking about those. Yeah, Marz is in no way a hack. He’s one guy who, when put on a DC or Marvel title, will get me to try at least one issue, no matter what, and there’s only a handful of those out there.

In fact, if you go a few issues later, you’ve got the fun villains issues of Secret Defenders that he wrote.

Of course, if you keep going, we get the Brevoort penned issues, and we don’t like talking about those.

]]> By: Derek B. Haas http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65533 Derek B. Haas Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:37:43 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65533 The art kind of reminds me of a vastly more terrible Scioli. The art kind of reminds me of a vastly more terrible Scioli.

]]> By: Grant http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65400 Grant Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:52:38 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65400 You know more I look at it I see more Kelley Jones in his anatomy then Rob Liefeld. He's more of Kelley Jones/Mike Mignola hybrid. There's actually some decent drawing in those panels. The anatomy and postures are horrible but the shadows and line work are pretty decent. He's got some interesting compositions. You know more I look at it I see more Kelley Jones in his anatomy then Rob Liefeld. He’s more of Kelley Jones/Mike Mignola hybrid. There’s actually some decent drawing in those panels. The anatomy and postures are horrible but the shadows and line work are pretty decent. He’s got some interesting compositions.

]]> By: Sean Whitmore http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65391 Sean Whitmore Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:09:13 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65391 Not to take away from your point Greg, but if you could swing the hammer, WOULDN'T you be a super hero? :) SEAN Not to take away from your point Greg, but if you could swing the hammer, WOULDN’T you be a super hero? :)

SEAN

]]> By: km http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65389 km Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:01:54 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65389 I think that's what the 'roid physique is for. What it's doing on the Surfer, now, I have no idea. When I first glanced over that third panel I seriously thought he was going to tell Dr.Strange that he couldn't go himself, on account of someone had magicked him into the Michelin Man. I think that’s what the ‘roid physique is for.

What it’s doing on the Surfer, now, I have no idea. When I first glanced over that third panel I seriously thought he was going to tell Dr.Strange that he couldn’t go himself, on account of someone had magicked him into the Michelin Man.

]]> By: NecroVMX http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65387 NecroVMX Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:00:09 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65387 Ron Marz a hack? C'mon now. This comic may have sucked by Ron Marz > You. Ron Marz a hack? C’mon now.

This comic may have sucked by Ron Marz > You.

]]> By: Greg Burgas http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/comment-page-1/#comment-65383 Greg Burgas Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:44:26 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/10/into-the-back-issue-box-21/#comment-65383 That's a good point, Sean, but Marz doesn't even give us a bit about why Thunderstrike swinging a big hammer makes him a superhero, as opposed to if I swung the damned thing. That's all I want! That’s a good point, Sean, but Marz doesn’t even give us a bit about why Thunderstrike swinging a big hammer makes him a superhero, as opposed to if I swung the damned thing. That’s all I want!

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