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365 Reasons to Love Comics #72

And now, back to your regularly-scheduled Joe Simon week. Today, the obvious choice: a “living legend” created by a living legend.


72. Captain America

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When Captain America throws his mighty shield,
All those who chose to oppose his shield must yield!
If he’s led to a fight and a duel is due,
Then the red and the white and the blue’ll come through
When Captain America throws his mighty shield!

You can listen to the theme from the 60’s cartoon here. Best superhero theme ever. Booyah.

And yeah, I said living legend. Captain America isn’t dead. He can’t die, he’ll never die. Beneath his mask and shield there is more than flesh, there is an idea. And as our pal V told us, ideas are bulletproof. Of course, Steve Rogers is the good Captain, and he shall return in our hour of need. It’s not like a superhero hasn’t died before.

Joe Simon, co-creator of the character with Jack Kirby, told us himself: “It’s a hell of a time for him to go. We really need him now.” Damn straight, sir.

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From his first appearance, socking Hitler on the jaw, Cap has represented the zeitgeist of America. He stands for the ideal of the American spirit: life, liberty, truth, justice, doing what’s right despite personal harm. He won’t bow to the American government if he doesn’t believe they’re doing the right thing. He’s the hero of the people. He is the soul of America. Superman is the perfect immigrant story; Captain America’s story is that of a homegrown boy done good.

We all know his origin and we’ve all seen his adventures; a skinny kid who wanted to fight for his country, Steve Rogers underwent experimental processes that turned him into the world’s only super-soldier, and he kicked Nazi butt until he was frozen in a block of ice and resurrected in “modern times,” be they the 60’s or the 90’s or whenever continuity retcons it in. He was a man out of time, but his message and meaning were the same, and carried the same strengths as they did in World War II. In the times of prejudice, he fought side-by-side with a black partner, the Falcon. He’s against war and oppression and evil. In today’s world of fear and terrorism and untrustworthy government, we really do need him to be there for us.

He’s the leader of the Avengers– a man who can command gods. Everyone in the Marvel Universe, and the readers thereof, respect Captain America more than any other hero. How could they not?

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The flag outfit, the shield– it’s a great visual. Cap is a tower of freedom, a rock for the country to lean on. He holds far more weight and power than most comics characters because of what he represents, even to people who have never picked up a comic. MLJ’s Shield may have pre-dated him, but Cap became the archetype. And look how many patriotic heroes have followed him! Even Joe Simon followed up with Fighting American and his own adventures of the Shield, but none of these overpowered Captain America. Cap is America. He was a perfect creation who showed up at the right place and time.

I admit, Cap’s not necessarily one of my favorite characters, and I don’t own huge runs with him– but I am awed by him and the powerful concept behind him. One of my first ever comics was a Captain America annual– and, really, those comics I was reading before I could even read are why I’m here. Hell, back then, I even loved Cap-Wolf. For that reason, I still do. I would love to write Cap’s adventures one day and add to the tapestry.

I come to praise Cap, not to bury him. He’s immortal, remember, in the pages of comics history. As long as there’s an America, there’ll be a Captain America. Hell, vote for Cap in ’08. They’ll have brought him back by then. Haha!

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Oh Captain, my Captain– I salute you. ‘Nuff said.


Like most comic geeks who started reading in their teens (in the 90’s no less), I must admit that Cap was not my favorite character at first. I’m sure I thought he was far less cool than Wolverine or the Punisher or their like. Then I read Infinity Gauntlet #4. For those of you who don’t remember it, Thanos becomes omnipotent and wreaks lots of havoc, and in this particular issue, the surviving Marvel heroes make their last, hopeless stand. Of course they are massacred, but in the end, one hero still stands. Cap strides fearlessly up to Thanos and stares him in the eye.

Cap: As long as one man stands against you, you’ll never claim victory.
Thanos: Noble sentiments from one who is about to die.
Cap: I’ve lived my life by those words. They’re well worth dying for.

That scene still makes me all misty and fannish. He’s been my favorite ever since.

I’m Canadian, but as a kid I dressed up as Captain America for Halloween two years in a row. That came from when I was 9 and I had an old pocket book collection of the first 1960s appearances of Cap (Avengers 4 and then the first year or so of solo tales from Tales of Suspense) and I loved it, absolutely loved it. (Actually, I loved all those Pocket Book reprints of 1960s Marvel books– particularly Captain America and the Lee/Ditko Spider-Man)

I was a DC kid, but Captain America was one of the Marvel characters I made an exception for. I loved Roger Stern and John Byrne’s short-lived run on the character in the late ’70s and the DeMatteis/Zeck run in the ’80s. And the current Brubaker/Epting incarnation is superb.

For me, Captain America is the closest thing Marvel has to a DC character– a character who is more defined by a heroic ideal than by a human failing. Maybe that’s why he resonated so much for me as a DC fan growing up. That and, I’m embarrassed to say, I loved the Reb Brown TV movies as a 9 year-old.

Don’t be embarassed. I loved the Matt Salinger version. I should watch it again to see if it can live up to my faint memory of it. I know everyone hates it, but I remember thinking it was great.

“Cap: As long as one man stands against you, you’ll never claim victory.
Thanos: Noble sentiments from one who is about to die.
Cap: I’ve lived my life by those words. They’re well worth dying for.”

And he does, in rather short order. Which somehow makes them even more badass.

Kurt Busiek said once that his “last” Avengers story (as in Avengers: The End) would be the dissolution of the team after Cap’s seeming death, but that Cap would of course just be in suspended animation again, ready to return in our greatest hour of need, like King Arthur.

So yeah, he’ll be back.

Captain America, as an idea, is all well and good, but I’ve never found Steve Rogers interesting. His central concepts are fantastic: one’s pure scrawny kid wish fulfillment; the other’s a fish out of the time-stream tale. Either should be rife with potential, yet neither is often addressed. Where does Steve fall on, say, steroid abuse? Could a hero whose powers were granted by chemical means begrudge anyone who takes performance enhancing drugs? Where does he stand on big pharm, for that matter, or big business? How do his ideals, born of the Depression, conflict with modern society? For a guy who missed out on four or five decades (depending on Marvel’s ever-fluctuating time table), he’s acclimated all too easily to the modern day. I’m all for punching Nazis in the face and turning heroes into werewolves, but, if a character’s intrinsic potential is going to be wasted, I can’t lament his “death.”

That said, I am curious to see who will take on the mantle to become the new face of America, however briefly, while Rogers is incapacitated. If, as promos suggest, Frank Castle’s the next in line, I can’t help but feel a little disappointed. Haven’t we already been down the ultra-violent Cap road with USAgent (whom, for the record, I do like a good deal)? What new light can be shed by having The Punisher wear the suit or some bastardized version thereof?

I think the issue of Steve Roger’s vague(bland) characterization is what made Ultimate Cap so interesting. We finally got a Captain America that had a personality, outside of the suit.

Not to speak ill of the dead, but what’s up with the boots?

I’ve been a big Cap fan since I was little. I remember looking at my cousin’s comics from around the time when John Walker replaced Steve as my earliest exposure to the comics. I loved every depiction of Cap from Reb Brown to Salinger to the Avengers arcade game to the 60s cartoons I discovered in jr. high to the Liefeld and Ultimate versions. I grew up a Marvel guy, and while Spidey was my fave, Cap was always the truest definition of a true and selfless hero to me. I friggin love Cap. And theres nothin’ wrong with the boots, son. Them’s hero boots.

THere are first of all meany rasons why this is not a surpise at all. As a comicbook concept, Captain America is completeley and utterly in the realm of the ‘non-real’, as in impossible (aka, a complete fantasy). First of all, indestructible shields are just not possible. At all. Next there is the fact that it took 60 years for someone to do the obvious (which is to shoot him in the face, where his skin is obviously exposed).

Second is the undisputable fact that ‘Captain America’ does not use guns, which does not make sense! Hello, why are you throwing a big metal disk at the Hulk Captain America? Why aren’t you TRYING TO SHOOT HIM LIKE A NORMAL PERSON WOULD?

fourth is the simple fact that the wings on his head make as much sense as the wings on Namor’s feet. Never mind also that Namor is showing too much of his manhood by wearing a bikini brief. Hey Namor Wear Some Pants You Girl! Wings=Flying Horses=Girl Comic Fantasy. They should have renamed him Captain I-Have-Flying-Horse-Wings-On-My-Head-I-Am-Not-So-Tough-Please-Shoot-Me-In-The-Neck.
Uh-oh, too late the obvious has happened!

Finally it looks like the Punisher will become Cap. This is almost good, because at least the PUnisher uses a gun like any normal person would. Maybe Captain Punisher’s motto will be, “I will shoot the Hulk in the Head!” hahahaha that is ajoke internets in case it is not obvious.

Fifth, the thing is, even Captain Punisher is a bad idea because he should be dead too by someone shooting him in the face with a gun or cannon. Which would’ve already happened in the real world.

Anyway, I do not see what the big deal about this as all. So what if a lot of people liked him and he’s America (even if he acts all wrong) and blah blah blah. I don’t like him, there’s no use to him, he’s stu[pid, he does not ever use a gun, he is totally ridiculous and he is old! Good riddance to dumb boots and make way for something good! BRING BACK DEATHLOK MARVEL IF YOU WANT TO MAKE GOOD COMICS MARVEL!

Zoombaboom Babies!

Dwight R. Vlahos

Dwight, you are hilarious. You can be my sidekick.

Also, Cap was not shot in the face, so you lose.

SIGH Bill Reed Richards this was an attempt to bring a serious topic to light at this blog so I am upset in the head that this was not a success on that term. Next important topic–CAPTAIN AMERICAN WAS SHOT IN THE FACE! I do not know what I lost except for something. But if you must know logic you would understand that Face means Front in the language called ENGLISH! THEIREFORE CAPTAIN AMERICANS WAS SHOT IN THE FACE (ie, the fornt).

Also I apologize for calling you Bill Reed Richards that was just a humor joke! Learn to be calm about it people and NOT FLY OFF THE HANDLE THAT IS YOUR SANITY AT LITTLE THINGS LIKE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT REAL GETTING SHOT IN THE FACE OR FRONT OR NECK IF THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY BILL REED RICHARDS!

zoombaboom babies!
dwight r. vlahos

One of my favorite scenes with the good Cap’n was in the Marvel/DC Amalgam crossover. While Superman was whupping the Hulk, and Robin was getting blindsided by Jubilee, they cut to Captain America fighting Batman in the sewers.

Not only had they been fighting to a standstill for over an hour, they were discussing strategy for outwitting the bad guy at the same time.

To me, as a DC guy, that was what Captain America was about – a man with Superman’s optimism and goodness, combined with Batman’s determination and refusal to quit.

From his first appearance, socking Hitler on the jaw, Cap has represented the zeitgeist of America. He stands for the ideal of the American spirit: life, liberty, truth, justice, doing what’s right despite personal harm. He won’t bow to the American government if he doesn’t believe they’re doing the right thing. He’s the hero of the people.

I think you are letting your personal beliefs make you read things into the original stories. What in Simon and Kirby’s original Captain America shows that he’s “won’t bow to the American government” and that he’s primarily the “hero of the people?” I don’t understand why modern fans feel its imperative to always point out how much Captain America supposedly has nothing to do with the government’s interests. If you want to interpret that modern character that way, it’s fine. From Englehart to Marvel Knights, Marvel has gone out of their way to reinforce Captain America as some borderline antigovernment progressive, but Simon and Kirby didn’t come from that knee-jerk anti-government Howard Zinn view of America.

America wasn’t at war with Germany when Captain America appeared, T., and a lot of elements in the government would just as soon not fought in World War II. Maybe that’s what Bill’s getting at. Cap assaulting an actual foreign leader of a country with whom we were not at war might be seen as not doing what the government wants.

“I think the issue of Steve Roger’s vague(bland) characterization is what made Ultimate Cap so interesting. We finally got a Captain America that had a personality, outside of the suit.”

Yeah, but Ultimate Cap can be kind of a jerk, though. He’s a good guy but he’s definitely a soldier…but then again, Cap is tecnically a soldier. I guess maybe something about Ultimate Cap seems off to me…maybe because he really is little more than a government puppet (at least what I’ve seen, and I’ve read the Ultimate line extensively), but Cap seems to transcend that.

Also, the picture on that last cover is a shirt at my local Target. I want it so bad.


“Second is the undisputable fact that ‘Captain America’ does not use guns, which does not make sense! Hello, why are you throwing a big metal disk at the Hulk Captain America? Why aren’t you TRYING TO SHOOT HIM LIKE A NORMAL PERSON WOULD?”

It’s symbolism.

I’m not as good with words as some, so I’ll turn it over to Scott Tipton, who wrote a column on ol’ Cap way back when:

“Whether it was intentional or not, the Captain America costume, designed by Joe Simon, made the perfect statement about America’s role in the upcoming war, or at least how most Americans preferred to think it. Aside from the obvious notion of a man wrapped in the flag, it’s important to note that Captain America has no offensive weapons: no gun nor sword. Instead, Captain America has a shield, which is purely a defensive weapon, just as the U.S was moving in to protect the peoples of Europe from fascism. And the shield is unbreakable, representing the strength of America’s intentions. Even when Cap throws the shield offensively, the analogy holds, as Cap is extending the strength and protection of the United States to defend the weak and helpless.”

Greg, FDR and many members of the government actually were more gung ho about getting involved in WWII than the people were. That’s one of the reasons why FDR in order to get reelected had to keep insisting to the general public that he wasn’t planning on entering the war, even though much evidence has arisen later on to show that he actually did plan to get involved all along: entering the war was not a very popular decision among the people. If Steve Rogers signs up to work for the government, use the name the government gives him, join the government’s military, accept their training and wear the propaganda uniform they give him, then proceed to fight an enemy that FDR’s administration is more gung ho about fighting than the general public is, there’s not much there to back up Bill’s point that from his first appearance he was the kind of guy that would go against the government in order to enforce the will of the people.

I don’t know why modern fans believe that the only way to enjoy the Cap character is to retroactively make him into a anti-government populist. I agree that he’s moved in this direction since the 70s, I just disagree that he started that way.

“I don’t know why modern fans believe that the only way to enjoy the Cap character is to retroactively make him into a anti-government populist. I agree that he’s moved in this direction since the 70s, I just disagree that he started that way.”

A lot of people think that, in the wake of Nixon, the federal government is less trustworthy than it was in the days of FDR, so it makes sense that Cap would become more vocally defiant (if neccessary). It’s really not a contradiction to say that Captain America goes against the government if he thinks it’s wrong, because he obviously didn’t think they were wrong for wanting to fight Hitler (though I thought that was just a cover image, not the actual story in the issue). If you can show me an instance where the government orders to do something against his later-established moral code, and he does it, you might have a point, otherwise, it becomes a political debate which is entirely predicated upon the biases of the people talking, which means it’s not about Cap anymore.

Alls I know is that if the Bucky dons the Cap Mantle, I’ll finally get my half-man half-machine bionic Captain America!

And then you add the Eradicating Captain Punisher!!!



All we need is a Captain America Clone, and its 1993 all over!!!

You know what that means????


(I’m growing mine… today!!!)

Cap has the amazing ability to be both the lamest character and the most awesome at the same time.

Think about all the really weird things associated to him:
-he was an artist
– he had that hotline
– the wings on his head
– the constant need of writers to remind us that he was a living ideal

But then, he would actually step up and be awesome. What is not cool about him ricocheting his shield off four things to brain some guy in the nogging? Its like when he appears towards the end of Miller’s Daredevil reborn: totally in control of Thor and that tool Iron Man, and then absolutely wailing on the anti-Cap, Nuke.

Oh, and the boots: how can anyone disparage his pimpin pirate boots?

Wow, that Reign of the Supermen joke is COMPLETELY original. You must be the first person to ever think up something that clever!

Sean, I’m not saying that Cap isn’t that way TODAY. Post-Vietnam and Post-Nixon, he’s gradually been written more and more in that vein. You can definitely describe him that way now. I just disagree about saying that even from his first appearance he would go against the government on the behalf of the people. He was totally an agent of the government in the beginning as imagined by Kirby and Simon, and given that a sizable segment of the population wasn’t supportive of entry into WW2 before Pearl Harbor happened, his going over to fight Hitler early was more an instance of his choosing the governmnt over the people, not the other way around What I’m simply saying is this: you don’t have to retroactively turn Cap into a screw-the-man, speak-truth-to-power populist from his first appearance in order to enjoy those 1940s adventures. He was a government agent that followed orders just like all good soldiers did back then, and that’s good enough.

Englehart did it differently. He had Cap be his usual pro-establishment self, then when his moral code came into conflict with the current establishment, he had a crisis of faith and changed considerably. That’s fine. But to claim Cap was that populist, anti-establishment guy from the beginning is a history rewrite that I think a lot of fans unconsciously do that I think is wrong.

I think the fact that Cap goes and fights Hitler early supports that he’s a government guy first and a populist second. Remember, like Siegel and Shuster, who also had their hero go abroad to fight Nazis, Simon and Kirby were Jewish. I think that plays a big reason as to why they were gung ho to fight Hitler before Pearl Harbor happened. But pre-Pearl Harbor, it wasn’t a popular decision among the public.

Thanks Dave! I’m glad you liked it!

Although, in the interest of clarity, I must say… it wasn’t so much a Reign of Superman joke, as it was a Mullett joke. And I would like to think that I was original and clever enough to say “I” would start growing one, as oppossed to CAP.

But you know what? Curiosity got the better of me, and so I googled it! Turns out I’m the 44,800th person to make a death of Captain America mullett joke. That’s not good; but then again that’s not bad either considering I googled the words Dave plus tool and got 22,100,000 hits. So there you have it. I may not be as funny, or original, as you are a tool. But who’s to say… with a lot of practice, and the continous support of guys like yourself, maybe I’ll get there. Just make sure you don’t continue setting the bar too high! Know what I mean.

The Kirbydotter

March 14, 2007 at 3:40 pm

Regarding Captain America’s uniform:

Boy are some people completely blind to symbolism or what?!?!

Captain America is a basically a knight.
Like a knight, he tries to live up to the best virtues of his country (liberty, freedom of opinion and speech, etc.)
Like a knight he wears the colors of what he defends. America is the good Captain’s lady.

Yup! he’s a knight.
So that’s why he fights with a shield.
(He is not an agressor, he defends!)
That’s why a chain mail shirt!
The wings of his mask are like the decorative wings some knights of old would wear on their helms. It’s a show of very little culture to call them “girly” (Namor’s wing refer more to the god Hermes/Mercury; comic books are not the only reading material available you know!)
And the boots are of the swashbuckler type.

It is actually a very good design, a proof of Kirby and Simon’s genius. Like all iconic character, it has barely changed at all since it’s creation more than 65 years ago!

Meanwhile, mutants and other x-stars seem to change uniform every few months.

Ironic that it takes a Canadian to defend USA’s Flagbearer!

I agree to a T with T (but not Mister T because the A-Team is not an accurate portrayal of American fighting men from the military) except that I think (and by think I mean a mind-thought that is FACT!) that Captain Americans represents more of liberal-welfare-communist america than actual, conservative, real America. He’s an example of government spending gone all wrong. In fact if you were to look in fact that the real world it would make perfect sense for Roosevelt (a known communist!) to come up with something like him! Wasteful spending! How many tanks could yoj make out of an indestructible shield? Oh, wait, we are the government, let’s give the indestructivble metal to some nut case instead! PERFECT SENSE in liberalvania!

I mean how upset would you be to find out that your taxes were going to some guy in a fruity outfit that doesn’t use a gun? He’s puncihing Hitler instead of SHOOTING Hitler because he is completely a non-real concept of ridiculousness–just like anything liberals come up with! I can see the politically correct dialogue coming from him now, “Hmm, hello Hitler, you are a mass-murderer, I am going to punch you in the face instead of shoot you because my flying-horsey-wing-head sense tells me that killing you is wrong. Oh wait Mass Murderererr Hitler, I am going to hold hands with you and sing koombieyah while we go skipping aruond a tea-set made of cookies because I don’t want to punch you with my liberal Captain American fists! Oh wait Hitler, I would like to use my liberal Captain American mouth that is open to kiss you now Hitler! MUAH MUAH MUAH!”

Captain American is a government man who acts in a way that doesn’t make any sense at all to people who know how to think in the real world, which is now. The only thing that is accurate is that as a military man he doesn’t swear because that is not what real officers would or should do.

I cannot be more clear than this on this (and these) point(s).

Zoombaboom Babies!
Dwight R. Vlahos

The Kirbydotter

March 14, 2007 at 7:49 pm

Dwight R. Vlahos:
“How many tanks could yoj make out of an indestructible shield?”
The Shield is not that big you know.
How many tanks?
None! There would be barely enough material for a hatch door maybe?

You know it’s only a comic book do you Dwight?

And that, when it was produced in 1941 (!), it was material intended for kids?

Should have Captain America go down on a caricature of Hitler (who wasn’t know as a mass-murderer at the time) with a chainsaw?

It’s a comic book for Godsake! Even in the movies of the time, the violence was very toned down.

And later, in the 50’s, violence in the movies and comic books was even more censored, not by liberals and “communist presidents” but by the right wing nuts you seem to elevate above the President who won WWII.

Don’t let Dwight get you too riled up.

Uhhh…Kirbydotter? I think Dwight is spoofing rightwingers, not being serious. I gotta admit, it was actually funny. I got a chuckle out of it!

Goof stuff, Dwight.


It is a symptonm of everyday liberalvania (aka, the awful world of now) that people mix up reality with nonreality. LIke everyone is always treating what I say as a kind of joke or haha because they, in the immortal words of Colonel Jessup (NOT JACK NICHOLSON YOU MORON THAT WAS THE ACTOR WHO PLAYED HIM), “YOU CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTHS!” Is it any coincidence that computers ruin peoples lives and that they are nicknamed p.c.–just like the other p.c. that makes for people have to ‘be nice’ and ‘not insult people’ and keep sus ruining America! Grow a thicker skin american and learn to take it! Unless you are from a foreign place like France and want to insult Americans, in which case–hey, shut up and talk about your own problems Frenchy! Some people say double-standard, I say, screw you and have some apple-pie!

Anyway Ilsa (aka the ball-and-wife) is saying that I am screaming at the computer and need to stop spitting. She is always saying to be on topic and also not act like a jerk to womenpeople or men. So Kirbydotter if I was not nice then I apologize NOT because I am p.c. (either a computer or the other kind) and NOT because my wife told me to but because it is not nice and I am American and therefore nice.

Even if I hate commmies and think they should all explode spontaneously, that doesn’t mean I should not get along with people. And noen of this is about Captain American (stupid or unstupid). The non-morons know which type of character he is, and there is no need for more insults of someone who is dead, even if that dead person is fictional and a girly communist.

zoombaboom babies!

dwight r. vlahos

What I will always remember about Cap…

…is that the man practically invented trash-talk. Seriously, go back and read the old ‘Tales of Suspense’ Captain America. You had to have super-powers before he’d start taking you seriously. And I don’t mean, “before he’d start fighting hard.” I mean, “before he would stop openly mocking you WHILE beating the crap out of you.”

One of the two best was the one where he was locked in a prison with rioting inmates–twenty-to-one odds, and he’s smack-talking while he kicks twenty kinds of hell out of them. (Yes, one for each guy.) It’s a real eye-opener of an issue for people who think of Cap as a nice-but-boring super-hero.

The other best was the first appearance of the Adaptoid (this was before he became the Super-Adaptoid, even.) The Adaptoid poses as Jarvis to infiltrate Avengers Mansion, drugs Cap and steals his form, and gloats about how it’s got the “pinnacle of human perfection” now…then gets beaten up by literally the first super-villain to walk through the door, a walking footnote to comics history called ‘The Tumbler’ whose acrobatic prowess stuns the Cadaptoid. The Tumbler sends him flying out of the room, unconscious…only to have the real Cap, who’s woken up and freed himself, walk in. The Tumbler thinks this is just Round Two at first, but Captain America beats him back to obscurity, openly laughing at his pathetic lack of combat skills all the while.

So remember, folks…Captain America. He’ll beat evil, then crack jokes about its momma.

The Kirbydotter

March 17, 2007 at 9:56 am

I’m sorry dwight r. vlahos…
But I’m not sure I understand what you are talking about…
I fail to comprehend your humor.
Then again’ i’m just a canadian and english is not my first language.
And I never liked apple pie.
Everyone knows the best pie is Mapple sugar!
(that last 3-letter line is to prove I’m canadian)

Kirbydotter said: “None! There would be barely enough material for a hatch door maybe?”

There’d be EXACTLY enough for a hatch door – the mould for the shield, IIRC, was made from a tank’s hatch mould.

I’m Glad the Kirbydotter wrote all about the suit. I love his design(not really the character). I hate it when people harp on his head wings. Ultimate cap’s head looks stupid, and big! I like namor’s wings too, maybe they should make them grow when he flies or something. Pirate boots, wings on the head, chain mail(kinda looks like dragon scales), all look cool. But no one’s written cap all that excitingly. I doubt he should care about drugs, but he’s still written blandly. oh yeah, Ultimate cap is just as often a tarnish of ideal then a heroic representation of them.

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