Comments on: I'd Make Storm an Avenger http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:43:58 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Apodaca http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/comment-page-1/#comment-607324 Apodaca Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:02:39 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/#comment-607324 Storm reached the end of her rope, story-wise, a long time ago. She's so boring, I don't think an Avengers membership could save her. Storm reached the end of her rope, story-wise, a long time ago. She's so boring, I don't think an Avengers membership could save her.

]]> By: Dean http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/comment-page-1/#comment-607132 Dean Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:32:14 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/#comment-607132 Will: I agree that shuffling rosters is a convention for the Avengers that has been extended to other superhero teams. The Avengers had a fixed setting, a supporting cast and a large membership that rotated in and out. What made them distinctive was the feeling that the 5-6 characters being focused on were part of a larger tapestry. It may have been big, but it was relatively fixed. Cap, Iron Man, Thor and the rest felt like they were all characters in the same story. It worked well enough that DC stole it for the JLA, which had a pretty fixed cast through most of the Silver and Bronze Ages. Opinions vary on how well that worked, but it did give us the 'Bwahaha years' of the JLI. Other DC books that have adopted flexible casts have been moderate disasters. I cannot articulate the differences between the JLA, the JSA, the Outsiders and the (Teen) Titans anymore. The settings shift so much and casts are largely interchangable. At Marvel, you at least knew what the distinction was between the various X-Men spin-offs, the Avengers and the Fantastic Four. That is less and less the case. Will:

I agree that shuffling rosters is a convention for the Avengers that has been extended to other superhero teams. The Avengers had a fixed setting, a supporting cast and a large membership that rotated in and out. What made them distinctive was the feeling that the 5-6 characters being focused on were part of a larger tapestry. It may have been big, but it was relatively fixed. Cap, Iron Man, Thor and the rest felt like they were all characters in the same story.

It worked well enough that DC stole it for the JLA, which had a pretty fixed cast through most of the Silver and Bronze Ages. Opinions vary on how well that worked, but it did give us the 'Bwahaha years' of the JLI. Other DC books that have adopted flexible casts have been moderate disasters. I cannot articulate the differences between the JLA, the JSA, the Outsiders and the (Teen) Titans anymore. The settings shift so much and casts are largely interchangable.

At Marvel, you at least knew what the distinction was between the various X-Men spin-offs, the Avengers and the Fantastic Four. That is less and less the case.

]]> By: Will http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/comment-page-1/#comment-605425 Will Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:21:50 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/#comment-605425 It's a convention of the superhero team book that rosters are fluid. If they're fixed it reduces the dramatic potential - you know nobody is going to die, quit or be seriously injured, and you can't even marry them off or depower them. Rosters have to change periodically. A team like the Avengers should never have recruited Wolverine, but if they're recruiting mutants (and not to do so would take some heavy excuses given the nature of Marvel pre-House of M) Storm would be an ideal choice. It's a convention of the superhero team book that rosters are fluid. If they're fixed it reduces the dramatic potential - you know nobody is going to die, quit or be seriously injured, and you can't even marry them off or depower them.

Rosters have to change periodically. A team like the Avengers should never have recruited Wolverine, but if they're recruiting mutants (and not to do so would take some heavy excuses given the nature of Marvel pre-House of M) Storm would be an ideal choice.

]]> By: Dean http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/comment-page-1/#comment-605317 Dean Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:26:36 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/#comment-605317 Maybe I am alone in this, but my take is that if you are bored with reading about Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Wasp, Vision, Hawkeye and the Scarlet Witch ... well ... then, you are bored with the Avengers. Bringing in Storm and Wolverine just turns the Avengers into an ersatz take on the New X-Men. Maybe I am alone in this, but my take is that if you are bored with reading about Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Wasp, Vision, Hawkeye and the Scarlet Witch ... well ... then, you are bored with the Avengers. Bringing in Storm and Wolverine just turns the Avengers into an ersatz take on the New X-Men.

]]> By: Mike Loughlin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/comment-page-1/#comment-605242 Mike Loughlin Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:59:04 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/#comment-605242 I would love an Avengers team led by Storm and the Black Panther. I'd have younger and/or less-heralded members, and a wider variety of powers than we've seen in New Avengers. In fact, I'd put Gravity on the team, let a magic-based character join (I'd choose Jennifer Kale), lure War Machine away from his current post, maybe round out the team with Justice & Firestar... I would love an Avengers team led by Storm and the Black Panther. I'd have younger and/or less-heralded members, and a wider variety of powers than we've seen in New Avengers. In fact, I'd put Gravity on the team, let a magic-based character join (I'd choose Jennifer Kale), lure War Machine away from his current post, maybe round out the team with Justice & Firestar...

]]> By: Craig http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/comment-page-1/#comment-604971 Craig Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:14:24 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/#comment-604971 I'm with Kane. I've always loved seeing Black Panther in the Avengers, or even interacting with core parts of the Marvel U. (Priest did an AMAZING job with this on his run in the previous BP volume). Unfortunately, as much as I would love to see it, there are two problems: 1) I don't think it could work with the "Avengers" being what they are right now. Pre-Disassembled? Yes. Now? No. 2) The Panther/Storm dynamic might make any prospective team book resemble the Fantastic Four a bit too much (ultra-smart male character married to a vastly underrated female character, and they happen to be teammates). Plus, if they're both being written properly, they're going to end up leading the team. I'm with Kane. I've always loved seeing Black Panther in the Avengers, or even interacting with core parts of the Marvel U. (Priest did an AMAZING job with this on his run in the previous BP volume). Unfortunately, as much as I would love to see it, there are two problems:

1) I don't think it could work with the "Avengers" being what they are right now. Pre-Disassembled? Yes. Now? No.

2) The Panther/Storm dynamic might make any prospective team book resemble the Fantastic Four a bit too much (ultra-smart male character married to a vastly underrated female character, and they happen to be teammates). Plus, if they're both being written properly, they're going to end up leading the team.

]]> By: Will http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/comment-page-1/#comment-604813 Will Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:15:49 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/#comment-604813 Yeah, I've been saying this ever since Wolverine joined the New Avengers. I mean, having the most high-profile mutant superhero be the psychopath with the body hair problem? Yeah, that's going to do your image a <i>lot</i> of good, guys. Whereas Storm would not only make a great (black, female) mutant role model, she would have brought some serious power to a team that was heavy on the brawlers and very light indeed on serious stopping power. And since in the real world Storm is one of the most high-profile and popular of the X-Men it would have done the same thing in terms of publicity whoring that recruiting Wolverine did. Yeah, I've been saying this ever since Wolverine joined the New Avengers. I mean, having the most high-profile mutant superhero be the psychopath with the body hair problem? Yeah, that's going to do your image a lot of good, guys.

Whereas Storm would not only make a great (black, female) mutant role model, she would have brought some serious power to a team that was heavy on the brawlers and very light indeed on serious stopping power.

And since in the real world Storm is one of the most high-profile and popular of the X-Men it would have done the same thing in terms of publicity whoring that recruiting Wolverine did.

]]> By: Eric http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/comment-page-1/#comment-604495 Eric Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:49:47 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/#comment-604495 I think that she would be great in the Avengers. She would add a good dynamic, and the X-Men aren't doing a blessed thing with her. Maybe when this Skrull business is settled. Of course, then it will be revealed that Storm-as-Back-Panter's-wife is a Skrull, so who knows. I think that she would be great in the Avengers. She would add a good dynamic, and the X-Men aren't doing a blessed thing with her. Maybe when this Skrull business is settled. Of course, then it will be revealed that Storm-as-Back-Panter's-wife is a Skrull, so who knows.

]]> By: KMFPL http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/comment-page-1/#comment-604403 KMFPL Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:25:09 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/#comment-604403 What the current status of the X-Men in the Marvel Universe, PR-wise? I'm just thinking it would be a good PR move for mutants. Storm is very powerful, which can go into the public's fear of mutants. OTOH, she's attractive and not really "mutated" physically, so she's more palatable. I could see her going as an ambassador for mutants, to try to use the positive public perception of the Avengers as a bully pulpit for mutant rights. Besides giving her an unusual reason to be on the team, there would be story possibilities in her teammates perceptions of her motivations for joining... What the current status of the X-Men in the Marvel Universe, PR-wise?

I'm just thinking it would be a good PR move for mutants. Storm is very powerful, which can go into the public's fear of mutants. OTOH, she's attractive and not really "mutated" physically, so she's more palatable.

I could see her going as an ambassador for mutants, to try to use the positive public perception of the Avengers as a bully pulpit for mutant rights.

Besides giving her an unusual reason to be on the team, there would be story possibilities in her teammates perceptions of her motivations for joining...

]]> By: Kane http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/comment-page-1/#comment-604351 Kane Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:40:48 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/#comment-604351 It would be cool to Black Panther and Storm together in the Avengers especially if she manipulates as well as he does. It would be cool to Black Panther and Storm together in the Avengers especially if she manipulates as well as he does.

]]> By: Dalarsco http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/comment-page-1/#comment-604350 Dalarsco Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:40:45 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/03/15/id-make-storm-an-avenger/#comment-604350 While I wouldn't mind seeing her as an Avenger, I don't like people suggesting it as an elevation. If there was some transfer of members between the JLA and JSA then no one would talk about it as anything other than a lateral move unless they moved into a leadership role from a non-leadership role. So in her case it would actually be a step back unless she was in charge. What I'd prefer would be her leading an X-Team based in Wakanda with T'Chala sharing leadership with her. While I wouldn't mind seeing her as an Avenger, I don't like people suggesting it as an elevation. If there was some transfer of members between the JLA and JSA then no one would talk about it as anything other than a lateral move unless they moved into a leadership role from a non-leadership role. So in her case it would actually be a step back unless she was in charge. What I'd prefer would be her leading an X-Team based in Wakanda with T'Chala sharing leadership with her.

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