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	<title>Comments on: Analogy Munky strikes back, or &#8216;The Mainstream Superhero Comic as Slot Machine&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Rohan Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, veghead, I have a feeling a lot of the stuff we read/watch fits into Pol&#039;s analogy. That&#039;s why he&#039;s THE analogy monkey. Accept no substitutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, veghead, I have a feeling a lot of the stuff we read/watch fits into Pol&#8217;s analogy. That&#8217;s why he&#8217;s THE analogy monkey. Accept no substitutes.</p>
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		<title>By: veghead</title>
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		<dc:creator>veghead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching tv last night made me realize that your slot machine analogy works with Lost, too.  Why am I still bothering with this show?  Someone please help me stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching tv last night made me realize that your slot machine analogy works with Lost, too.  Why am I still bothering with this show?  Someone please help me stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Hatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Hatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d also point out that Jim Shooter absolutely WAS subjected to the same microscopic fan scrutiny during his tenure. The Journal practically made it a holy mission to denounce everything Shooter was doing and Groth&#039;s reaction to pretty much every Marvel announcement in the 80&#039;s was apoplectic rage. At least that&#039;s how it seemed in print. 

The differences were that A) Fan-press publications were a lot less widely-read than the internet, and far more importantly, B) Shooter didn&#039;t really care that much &lt;b&gt;because there were still a lot of NON-hardcore fans buying the books on newsstands.&lt;/b&gt; Now that we&#039;re the only ones left buying Marvel and DC superhero comics, the big two spend a lot more time trying to figure out what WE want and how to make sure we need to buy every book in the line. The constantly-rolling crossover serial, slot-machine mentality&#039;s part of that; it&#039;s a chicken-or-egg argument whether we trained the companies or they trained us, but that&#039;s the landscape we&#039;re left with. I tend to think we trained Marvel and DC to do comics that way, simply because companies follow the money. Art is the afterthought; they produce books that they think will sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d also point out that Jim Shooter absolutely WAS subjected to the same microscopic fan scrutiny during his tenure. The Journal practically made it a holy mission to denounce everything Shooter was doing and Groth&#8217;s reaction to pretty much every Marvel announcement in the 80&#8242;s was apoplectic rage. At least that&#8217;s how it seemed in print. </p>
<p>The differences were that A) Fan-press publications were a lot less widely-read than the internet, and far more importantly, B) Shooter didn&#8217;t really care that much <b>because there were still a lot of NON-hardcore fans buying the books on newsstands.</b> Now that we&#8217;re the only ones left buying Marvel and DC superhero comics, the big two spend a lot more time trying to figure out what WE want and how to make sure we need to buy every book in the line. The constantly-rolling crossover serial, slot-machine mentality&#8217;s part of that; it&#8217;s a chicken-or-egg argument whether we trained the companies or they trained us, but that&#8217;s the landscape we&#8217;re left with. I tend to think we trained Marvel and DC to do comics that way, simply because companies follow the money. Art is the afterthought; they produce books that they think will sell.</p>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will point out that this isn&#039;t a new thing (and here we go again, crossover-boy talking on and on...) During the 90s, yearly crossovers were a regular thing. In fact, most &quot;families&quot; of Marvel and DC books existed in a near permanent state of crossover...in order to follow one X-Book, you had to buy them all and so on. The phenomenon seems to come to an abrupt end when &#039;Our Worlds At War&#039; and &#039;Last Laugh&#039; come within a couple of months of each other; there&#039;s a long period after that where no company has any big event crossovers coming out (ending around the time of &#039;Avengers Disassembled&#039;.)

Make of all that what you will; I make it that the &quot;yearly crossover&quot; thing is like trying to harvest your crops every three months. Eventually, all you&#039;re getting is bedrock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will point out that this isn&#8217;t a new thing (and here we go again, crossover-boy talking on and on&#8230;) During the 90s, yearly crossovers were a regular thing. In fact, most &#8220;families&#8221; of Marvel and DC books existed in a near permanent state of crossover&#8230;in order to follow one X-Book, you had to buy them all and so on. The phenomenon seems to come to an abrupt end when &#8216;Our Worlds At War&#8217; and &#8216;Last Laugh&#8217; come within a couple of months of each other; there&#8217;s a long period after that where no company has any big event crossovers coming out (ending around the time of &#8216;Avengers Disassembled&#8217;.)</p>
<p>Make of all that what you will; I make it that the &#8220;yearly crossover&#8221; thing is like trying to harvest your crops every three months. Eventually, all you&#8217;re getting is bedrock.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the Essentials are great. I hear wonderful things about &#039;Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane&#039;, too. The hardcover looks worth getting.

I wonder, though, considering the amount of fun new books that are available, is the ratio of &#039;good&#039; to &#039;bad&#039; comics any worse than it was thirty years ago, or has the proliferation of comics blogs and the like-- and the tendency for said blogs to be used for the sort of &#039;the sky is falling and comics are dying!&#039; arguments that fans have always been fond of-- made things seem worse than they are? 

That&#039;s absolutely not a knock on this column or this blog, which points out far more good comics than bad ones- I mean, just look at the post directly above this one- but more the blogosphere in general. 

But had, say, Jim Shooter been exposed to the level of internet fanboy exposure in the &#039;80s that Joe Q is today, would we have such fond memories of &#039;80s Marvel comics? Or would most fans with a keyboard have spent a disproportionate amount of their time knocking the bad titles the company put out?

I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the Essentials are great. I hear wonderful things about &#8216;Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane&#8217;, too. The hardcover looks worth getting.</p>
<p>I wonder, though, considering the amount of fun new books that are available, is the ratio of &#8216;good&#8217; to &#8216;bad&#8217; comics any worse than it was thirty years ago, or has the proliferation of comics blogs and the like&#8211; and the tendency for said blogs to be used for the sort of &#8216;the sky is falling and comics are dying!&#8217; arguments that fans have always been fond of&#8211; made things seem worse than they are? </p>
<p>That&#8217;s absolutely not a knock on this column or this blog, which points out far more good comics than bad ones- I mean, just look at the post directly above this one- but more the blogosphere in general. </p>
<p>But had, say, Jim Shooter been exposed to the level of internet fanboy exposure in the &#8217;80s that Joe Q is today, would we have such fond memories of &#8217;80s Marvel comics? Or would most fans with a keyboard have spent a disproportionate amount of their time knocking the bad titles the company put out?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: PÃ³l Rua</title>
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		<dc:creator>PÃ³l Rua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly, and with so much reprint material available in trade, if you absolutely NEED a Spider-Man fix (for example), there&#039;s no reason to submit yourself to crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, and with so much reprint material available in trade, if you absolutely NEED a Spider-Man fix (for example), there&#8217;s no reason to submit yourself to crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s very true. I actually considered picking up a Spidey book the other day when my Spidey 3 invite came through, just so I&#039;d have some idea where the character was at, but yeah, none of the current in-continuity titles looked too good. How can Amazing Spider-Man be so unappealing, for so long now?

Having said that, I realise it totally floats a lot of other people&#039;s boats, so I guess it&#039;s just a matter of sticking with the slot machines you enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s very true. I actually considered picking up a Spidey book the other day when my Spidey 3 invite came through, just so I&#8217;d have some idea where the character was at, but yeah, none of the current in-continuity titles looked too good. How can Amazing Spider-Man be so unappealing, for so long now?</p>
<p>Having said that, I realise it totally floats a lot of other people&#8217;s boats, so I guess it&#8217;s just a matter of sticking with the slot machines you enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: PÃ³l Rua</title>
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		<dc:creator>PÃ³l Rua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rohan: No idea. I&#039;m just such a media slut, I never ask questions.

And yeah, there ARE a lot of good comics, but they tend to be the exception, rather than the rule. Sadly enough, the analogy seems to work quite well for a lot of mainstream comics where people continue to buy, say, Spider-Man, because they like the character and, even though it&#039;s sucked for 3 years solidly now, it MIGHT get better next issue.

Cha-ching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rohan: No idea. I&#8217;m just such a media slut, I never ask questions.</p>
<p>And yeah, there ARE a lot of good comics, but they tend to be the exception, rather than the rule. Sadly enough, the analogy seems to work quite well for a lot of mainstream comics where people continue to buy, say, Spider-Man, because they like the character and, even though it&#8217;s sucked for 3 years solidly now, it MIGHT get better next issue.</p>
<p>Cha-ching!</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s definitely a bit of that in the superhero comics biz, but at least the superhero books that I&#039;ve held onto have entertained me pretty consistently lately. 

Morrison&#039;s work with Supes and Bats, Kubert&#039;s Action Comics run, Dini&#039;s done-in-one stuff... none of it&#039;s reinventing the wheel, necessarily, but I feel like I&#039;m getting my money&#039;s worth out of the slot machine. 

By the way, Pol, where was the journalism student from? It might be for the same course I interviewed you for last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s definitely a bit of that in the superhero comics biz, but at least the superhero books that I&#8217;ve held onto have entertained me pretty consistently lately. </p>
<p>Morrison&#8217;s work with Supes and Bats, Kubert&#8217;s Action Comics run, Dini&#8217;s done-in-one stuff&#8230; none of it&#8217;s reinventing the wheel, necessarily, but I feel like I&#8217;m getting my money&#8217;s worth out of the slot machine. </p>
<p>By the way, Pol, where was the journalism student from? It might be for the same course I interviewed you for last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 06:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They do seem to work on the same principle (the name of which escapes me)- basically, that people (and maybe some of the smarter rodents) prefer irregular but &quot;big&quot; payoffs to steady smaller ones. So the series that&#039;s just solid and consistent will lose out to the event book that drags for a few months but then ZOMG EVERYTHING CHANGED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do seem to work on the same principle (the name of which escapes me)- basically, that people (and maybe some of the smarter rodents) prefer irregular but &#8220;big&#8221; payoffs to steady smaller ones. So the series that&#8217;s just solid and consistent will lose out to the event book that drags for a few months but then ZOMG EVERYTHING CHANGED.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the point of view of someone who reads most TPBs of sereis not really affected byt he big crossovers, I view comics as really good books that come out on an insanly fast schedule.  Every 6 months or so is incredably fast compared to any other type of book I follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the point of view of someone who reads most TPBs of sereis not really affected byt he big crossovers, I view comics as really good books that come out on an insanly fast schedule.  Every 6 months or so is incredably fast compared to any other type of book I follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Vertical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vertical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post.  Well put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post.  Well put.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only difference I would point out is that slot machines are a thriving and successful industry.

Other than that, great analogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only difference I would point out is that slot machines are a thriving and successful industry.</p>
<p>Other than that, great analogy.</p>
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		<title>By: veghead</title>
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		<dc:creator>veghead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The House always wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The House always wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant.</p>
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