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	<title>Comments on: Analogy Munky strikes back, or &#039;The Mainstream Superhero Comic as Slot Machine&#039;</title>
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		<title>By: Rohan Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, veghead, I have a feeling a lot of the stuff we read/watch fits into Pol&#039;s analogy. That&#039;s why he&#039;s THE analogy monkey. Accept no substitutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, veghead, I have a feeling a lot of the stuff we read/watch fits into Pol's analogy. That's why he's THE analogy monkey. Accept no substitutes.</p>
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		<title>By: veghead</title>
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		<dc:creator>veghead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching tv last night made me realize that your slot machine analogy works with Lost, too.  Why am I still bothering with this show?  Someone please help me stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching tv last night made me realize that your slot machine analogy works with Lost, too.  Why am I still bothering with this show?  Someone please help me stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Hatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Hatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d also point out that Jim Shooter absolutely WAS subjected to the same microscopic fan scrutiny during his tenure. The Journal practically made it a holy mission to denounce everything Shooter was doing and Groth&#039;s reaction to pretty much every Marvel announcement in the 80&#039;s was apoplectic rage. At least that&#039;s how it seemed in print. 

The differences were that A) Fan-press publications were a lot less widely-read than the internet, and far more importantly, B) Shooter didn&#039;t really care that much &lt;b&gt;because there were still a lot of NON-hardcore fans buying the books on newsstands.&lt;/b&gt; Now that we&#039;re the only ones left buying Marvel and DC superhero comics, the big two spend a lot more time trying to figure out what WE want and how to make sure we need to buy every book in the line. The constantly-rolling crossover serial, slot-machine mentality&#039;s part of that; it&#039;s a chicken-or-egg argument whether we trained the companies or they trained us, but that&#039;s the landscape we&#039;re left with. I tend to think we trained Marvel and DC to do comics that way, simply because companies follow the money. Art is the afterthought; they produce books that they think will sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd also point out that Jim Shooter absolutely WAS subjected to the same microscopic fan scrutiny during his tenure. The Journal practically made it a holy mission to denounce everything Shooter was doing and Groth's reaction to pretty much every Marvel announcement in the 80's was apoplectic rage. At least that's how it seemed in print. </p>
<p>The differences were that A) Fan-press publications were a lot less widely-read than the internet, and far more importantly, B) Shooter didn't really care that much <b>because there were still a lot of NON-hardcore fans buying the books on newsstands.</b> Now that we're the only ones left buying Marvel and DC superhero comics, the big two spend a lot more time trying to figure out what WE want and how to make sure we need to buy every book in the line. The constantly-rolling crossover serial, slot-machine mentality's part of that; it's a chicken-or-egg argument whether we trained the companies or they trained us, but that's the landscape we're left with. I tend to think we trained Marvel and DC to do comics that way, simply because companies follow the money. Art is the afterthought; they produce books that they think will sell.</p>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will point out that this isn&#039;t a new thing (and here we go again, crossover-boy talking on and on...) During the 90s, yearly crossovers were a regular thing. In fact, most &quot;families&quot; of Marvel and DC books existed in a near permanent state of crossover...in order to follow one X-Book, you had to buy them all and so on. The phenomenon seems to come to an abrupt end when &#039;Our Worlds At War&#039; and &#039;Last Laugh&#039; come within a couple of months of each other; there&#039;s a long period after that where no company has any big event crossovers coming out (ending around the time of &#039;Avengers Disassembled&#039;.)

Make of all that what you will; I make it that the &quot;yearly crossover&quot; thing is like trying to harvest your crops every three months. Eventually, all you&#039;re getting is bedrock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will point out that this isn't a new thing (and here we go again, crossover-boy talking on and on...) During the 90s, yearly crossovers were a regular thing. In fact, most "families" of Marvel and DC books existed in a near permanent state of crossover...in order to follow one X-Book, you had to buy them all and so on. The phenomenon seems to come to an abrupt end when 'Our Worlds At War' and 'Last Laugh' come within a couple of months of each other; there's a long period after that where no company has any big event crossovers coming out (ending around the time of 'Avengers Disassembled'.)</p>
<p>Make of all that what you will; I make it that the "yearly crossover" thing is like trying to harvest your crops every three months. Eventually, all you're getting is bedrock.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the Essentials are great. I hear wonderful things about &#039;Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane&#039;, too. The hardcover looks worth getting.

I wonder, though, considering the amount of fun new books that are available, is the ratio of &#039;good&#039; to &#039;bad&#039; comics any worse than it was thirty years ago, or has the proliferation of comics blogs and the like-- and the tendency for said blogs to be used for the sort of &#039;the sky is falling and comics are dying!&#039; arguments that fans have always been fond of-- made things seem worse than they are? 

That&#039;s absolutely not a knock on this column or this blog, which points out far more good comics than bad ones- I mean, just look at the post directly above this one- but more the blogosphere in general. 

But had, say, Jim Shooter been exposed to the level of internet fanboy exposure in the &#039;80s that Joe Q is today, would we have such fond memories of &#039;80s Marvel comics? Or would most fans with a keyboard have spent a disproportionate amount of their time knocking the bad titles the company put out?

I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the Essentials are great. I hear wonderful things about 'Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane', too. The hardcover looks worth getting.</p>
<p>I wonder, though, considering the amount of fun new books that are available, is the ratio of 'good' to 'bad' comics any worse than it was thirty years ago, or has the proliferation of comics blogs and the like-- and the tendency for said blogs to be used for the sort of 'the sky is falling and comics are dying!' arguments that fans have always been fond of-- made things seem worse than they are? </p>
<p>That's absolutely not a knock on this column or this blog, which points out far more good comics than bad ones- I mean, just look at the post directly above this one- but more the blogosphere in general. </p>
<p>But had, say, Jim Shooter been exposed to the level of internet fanboy exposure in the '80s that Joe Q is today, would we have such fond memories of '80s Marvel comics? Or would most fans with a keyboard have spent a disproportionate amount of their time knocking the bad titles the company put out?</p>
<p>I don't know.</p>
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		<title>By: PÃ³l Rua</title>
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		<dc:creator>PÃ³l Rua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly, and with so much reprint material available in trade, if you absolutely NEED a Spider-Man fix (for example), there&#039;s no reason to submit yourself to crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, and with so much reprint material available in trade, if you absolutely NEED a Spider-Man fix (for example), there's no reason to submit yourself to crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s very true. I actually considered picking up a Spidey book the other day when my Spidey 3 invite came through, just so I&#039;d have some idea where the character was at, but yeah, none of the current in-continuity titles looked too good. How can Amazing Spider-Man be so unappealing, for so long now?

Having said that, I realise it totally floats a lot of other people&#039;s boats, so I guess it&#039;s just a matter of sticking with the slot machines you enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's very true. I actually considered picking up a Spidey book the other day when my Spidey 3 invite came through, just so I'd have some idea where the character was at, but yeah, none of the current in-continuity titles looked too good. How can Amazing Spider-Man be so unappealing, for so long now?</p>
<p>Having said that, I realise it totally floats a lot of other people's boats, so I guess it's just a matter of sticking with the slot machines you enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: PÃ³l Rua</title>
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		<dc:creator>PÃ³l Rua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rohan: No idea. I&#039;m just such a media slut, I never ask questions.

And yeah, there ARE a lot of good comics, but they tend to be the exception, rather than the rule. Sadly enough, the analogy seems to work quite well for a lot of mainstream comics where people continue to buy, say, Spider-Man, because they like the character and, even though it&#039;s sucked for 3 years solidly now, it MIGHT get better next issue.

Cha-ching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rohan: No idea. I'm just such a media slut, I never ask questions.</p>
<p>And yeah, there ARE a lot of good comics, but they tend to be the exception, rather than the rule. Sadly enough, the analogy seems to work quite well for a lot of mainstream comics where people continue to buy, say, Spider-Man, because they like the character and, even though it's sucked for 3 years solidly now, it MIGHT get better next issue.</p>
<p>Cha-ching!</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s definitely a bit of that in the superhero comics biz, but at least the superhero books that I&#039;ve held onto have entertained me pretty consistently lately. 

Morrison&#039;s work with Supes and Bats, Kubert&#039;s Action Comics run, Dini&#039;s done-in-one stuff... none of it&#039;s reinventing the wheel, necessarily, but I feel like I&#039;m getting my money&#039;s worth out of the slot machine. 

By the way, Pol, where was the journalism student from? It might be for the same course I interviewed you for last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's definitely a bit of that in the superhero comics biz, but at least the superhero books that I've held onto have entertained me pretty consistently lately. </p>
<p>Morrison's work with Supes and Bats, Kubert's Action Comics run, Dini's done-in-one stuff... none of it's reinventing the wheel, necessarily, but I feel like I'm getting my money's worth out of the slot machine. </p>
<p>By the way, Pol, where was the journalism student from? It might be for the same course I interviewed you for last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 06:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They do seem to work on the same principle (the name of which escapes me)- basically, that people (and maybe some of the smarter rodents) prefer irregular but &quot;big&quot; payoffs to steady smaller ones. So the series that&#039;s just solid and consistent will lose out to the event book that drags for a few months but then ZOMG EVERYTHING CHANGED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do seem to work on the same principle (the name of which escapes me)- basically, that people (and maybe some of the smarter rodents) prefer irregular but "big" payoffs to steady smaller ones. So the series that's just solid and consistent will lose out to the event book that drags for a few months but then ZOMG EVERYTHING CHANGED.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the point of view of someone who reads most TPBs of sereis not really affected byt he big crossovers, I view comics as really good books that come out on an insanly fast schedule.  Every 6 months or so is incredably fast compared to any other type of book I follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the point of view of someone who reads most TPBs of sereis not really affected byt he big crossovers, I view comics as really good books that come out on an insanly fast schedule.  Every 6 months or so is incredably fast compared to any other type of book I follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Vertical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vertical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post.  Well put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post.  Well put.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only difference I would point out is that slot machines are a thriving and successful industry.

Other than that, great analogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only difference I would point out is that slot machines are a thriving and successful industry.</p>
<p>Other than that, great analogy.</p>
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		<title>By: veghead</title>
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		<dc:creator>veghead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The House always wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The House always wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant.</p>
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