Comments on: How Civil War could have worked http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:03:45 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Tyson http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-78302 Tyson Sat, 07 Apr 2007 02:00:11 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-78302 "I prefer to think of myself as a standard internet jackass penguin." Invoking the total awesomeness of penguins seems unfair - how can anyone maintain the proper degree of irritation required for Internet communication when you do that? "I prefer to think of myself as a standard internet jackass penguin."

Invoking the total awesomeness of penguins seems unfair - how can anyone maintain the proper degree of irritation required for Internet communication when you do that?

]]> By: zodberg http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-78255 zodberg Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:45:57 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-78255 I can't believe they never just outright published, for reader's benefit, the Superhero Registration Act. I can't believe they never just outright published, for reader's benefit, the Superhero Registration Act.

]]> By: Matt http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-78238 Matt Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:50:16 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-78238 For the folks (well, the one guy) claiming that there's evidence for long-term Civil War planning, I thought I would point out the fact that originally it was going to be the Marvel superheroes vs. SHIELD, primarily springing from the pages of New Avengers. So whatever possible long-term planning that was being done for *that* particular event was probably thrown out the window the second Mark Millar said, "Mm, y'know, it'd be cool if Iron Man and Captain America duked it out for realz!" Any other semblance of planning, I assume, is coincidental. And man, I think some long-term planning would have done WONDERS for Civil War. But alas, it's more of a DC thing... -M For the folks (well, the one guy) claiming that there's evidence for long-term Civil War planning, I thought I would point out the fact that originally it was going to be the Marvel superheroes vs. SHIELD, primarily springing from the pages of New Avengers. So whatever possible long-term planning that was being done for *that* particular event was probably thrown out the window the second Mark Millar said, "Mm, y'know, it'd be cool if Iron Man and Captain America duked it out for realz!" Any other semblance of planning, I assume, is coincidental.

And man, I think some long-term planning would have done WONDERS for Civil War. But alas, it's more of a DC thing...

-M

]]> By: veghead http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-78078 veghead Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:23:05 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-78078 "So, veghead, did you actually have a point, or were you just trying to be a standard internet jackass? The sentence you quoted from my was specifically addressing how darn low the sales numbers are - the big event of 2007 couldn’t match the sales numbers for regular books from 20 years ago. So, no nerve was struck with me in Greg’s post, I’m not a Civil War fan (didn’t read or buy any of it), I’m not particularly invested in it because I don’t follow anything in the main Marvel Universe. My only point was that I just think it’s sad that the comics market is shrinking so drastically. " My first comment was aimed at you. I was agreeing with your statement, but in a jackasserly way to indicate that it's pretty well known already. My second comment was aimed at other commentors, not you. I tried to indicate that by skipping a line, but could've made it more clear, you're right. I prefer to think of myself as a standard internet jackass penguin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackass_penguin "So, veghead, did you actually have a point, or were you just trying to be a standard internet jackass?

The sentence you quoted from my was specifically addressing how darn low the sales numbers are - the big event of 2007 couldn’t match the sales numbers for regular books from 20 years ago.

So, no nerve was struck with me in Greg’s post, I’m not a Civil War fan (didn’t read or buy any of it), I’m not particularly invested in it because I don’t follow anything in the main Marvel Universe. My only point was that I just think it’s sad that the comics market is shrinking so drastically. "

My first comment was aimed at you. I was agreeing with your statement, but in a jackasserly way to indicate that it's pretty well known already. My second comment was aimed at other commentors, not you. I tried to indicate that by skipping a line, but could've made it more clear, you're right. I prefer to think of myself as a standard internet jackass penguin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackass_penguin

]]> By: MarkAndrew http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77970 MarkAndrew Fri, 06 Apr 2007 07:08:26 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77970 More Godzilla's a good start. Also less superheroes. For instance no superheroes. And more chickens. Godzilla vs. 100,000,000 chickens. I'd buy it. More Godzilla's a good start.

Also less superheroes.

For instance no superheroes.

And more chickens.

Godzilla vs. 100,000,000 chickens.

I'd buy it.

]]> By: Joe Rice http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77964 Joe Rice Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:43:54 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77964 Well, there really isn't a "cranky old bitter hack trying to litigate his embarrassment" amendment. Well, there really isn't a "cranky old bitter hack trying to litigate his embarrassment" amendment.

]]> By: Slay http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77963 Slay Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:41:05 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77963 It would have been really cool if the Civil War had been planned long in advance and simmered for quite some time. I like those comments that hearkened back to the mutants in the 80s Marvel. Or, remember <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scourge_%28comics%29" rel="nofollow">The Scourge of the Underworld</a>? That story took a full year to resolve, and the build was just a few panels here and there in 12 different titles until it really took off in Captain America. That's the way to do things. It would have been really cool if the Civil War had been planned long in advance and simmered for quite some time. I like those comments that hearkened back to the mutants in the 80s Marvel. Or, remember The Scourge of the Underworld? That story took a full year to resolve, and the build was just a few panels here and there in 12 different titles until it really took off in Captain America. That's the way to do things.

]]> By: Bill Reed http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77922 Bill Reed Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:17:02 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77922 <blockquote>How in the hell can you blog about something that you haven’t read? For the people wondering why the mainstream population doesn’t take “bloggers” seriously need to read no further than this tantrum given wasted bandwidth.</blockquote> You didn't even read the post, did you? Sometimes, I am depressed about the comics industry. This is one of those times. Not your fault, Greg or Omar... but some of these replies are disheartening. Sigh.

How in the hell can you blog about something that you haven’t read? For the people wondering why the mainstream population doesn’t take “bloggers” seriously need to read no further than this tantrum given wasted bandwidth.

You didn't even read the post, did you?

Sometimes, I am depressed about the comics industry. This is one of those times. Not your fault, Greg or Omar... but some of these replies are disheartening.

Sigh.

]]> By: John Cage http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77909 John Cage Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:46:38 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77909 I like your premise, but spending two years or so in the Marvel universe building up to the Civil War mini-series would've been boring as you detail, not to mention it would've been awful to hear all the folks complaining about the slow pace online after a while. As other posters have mentioned, the tracks were already laid down in other titles -- they just weren't connected well enough to achieve the impact you described. That said, I think Marvel did a good enough job with Civil War's build-up and execution. It wasn't perfect, but darned if it wasn't entertaining. By the way, this quote made me laugh out loud. "I think (Civil War) could have been an excellent examination of the superhero ethos and could have shed new light on what makes someone a hero. What did we get instead? Lloyd Bentsen references and Captain America acting surprised when Frank Castle acts like a psychopath. Good job, Marvel." Ha! Have a good day. John Cage I like your premise, but spending two years or so in the Marvel universe building up to the Civil War mini-series would've been boring as you detail, not to mention it would've been awful to hear all the folks complaining about the slow pace online after a while. As other posters have mentioned, the tracks were already laid down in other titles -- they just weren't connected well enough to achieve the impact you described.

That said, I think Marvel did a good enough job with Civil War's build-up and execution. It wasn't perfect, but darned if it wasn't entertaining.

By the way, this quote made me laugh out loud. "I think (Civil War) could have been an excellent examination of the superhero ethos and could have shed new light on what makes someone a hero. What did we get instead? Lloyd Bentsen references and Captain America acting surprised when Frank Castle acts like a psychopath. Good job, Marvel." Ha!

Have a good day.
John Cage

]]> By: Tyson http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77892 Tyson Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:18:22 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77892 “mainstream comics are dying” Duh? This post seems to really have struck a nerve in some die hard Civil War fans. I didn’t know that humorless fans of Civil War actually checked out this blog. Interesting. </blockquote> So, veghead, did you actually have a point, or were you just trying to be a standard internet jackass? The sentence you quoted from my was specifically addressing how darn low the sales numbers are - the big event of 2007 couldn't match the sales numbers for regular books from 20 years ago. So, no nerve was struck with me in Greg's post, I'm not a Civil War fan (didn't read or buy any of it), I'm not particularly invested in it because I don't follow anything in the main Marvel Universe. My only point was that I just think it's sad that the comics market is shrinking so drastically. “mainstream comics are dying”

Duh?

This post seems to really have struck a nerve in some die hard Civil War fans. I didn’t know that humorless fans of Civil War actually checked out this blog. Interesting.

So, veghead, did you actually have a point, or were you just trying to be a standard internet jackass?

The sentence you quoted from my was specifically addressing how darn low the sales numbers are - the big event of 2007 couldn't match the sales numbers for regular books from 20 years ago.

So, no nerve was struck with me in Greg's post, I'm not a Civil War fan (didn't read or buy any of it), I'm not particularly invested in it because I don't follow anything in the main Marvel Universe. My only point was that I just think it's sad that the comics market is shrinking so drastically.

]]> By: Alan Coil http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77856 Alan Coil Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:49:20 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77856 Joe Rice said: "...where Marvel donates all their profits for a year to support Fantagraphics in their fight to save the first amendment from Harlan Ellison." ----- It's not a First Amendment lawsuit. But you probably already knew that. Joe Rice said:
"...where Marvel donates all their profits for a year to support Fantagraphics in their fight to save the first amendment from Harlan Ellison."
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It's not a First Amendment lawsuit.

But you probably already knew that.

]]> By: Andrew Collins http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77702 Andrew Collins Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:23:28 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77702 "Let me tell you how I would’ve done this post. I didn’t read it, but here’s how I would’ve done it: I would’ve gone into the bathroom, careful to lock the door, lotioned up, and let loose into the turlet. After I got finished with that, I would’ve had my fill of sad masturbation and I would’ve saved myself a lot of time and typing." Yeah...nice post there Paul. Or should we call you by your real name... Mark Millar!!!! "Let me tell you how I would’ve done this post. I didn’t read it, but here’s how I would’ve done it:

I would’ve gone into the bathroom, careful to lock the door, lotioned up, and let loose into the turlet. After I got finished with that, I would’ve had my fill of sad masturbation and I would’ve saved myself a lot of time and typing."

Yeah...nice post there Paul. Or should we call you by your real name... Mark Millar!!!!

]]> By: L.P. Mandrake http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77646 L.P. Mandrake Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:34:29 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77646 A little off topic, but it doesn't cost $10k to run for congress. Try $1m (if you want to win). A little off topic, but it doesn't cost $10k to run for congress. Try $1m (if you want to win).

]]> By: Greg Burgas http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77607 Greg Burgas Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:16:17 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77607 Godzilla is so excellent he must be mentioned twice! Perhaps he'll show up in World War Hulk. On second thought, Joey Q couldn't be that awesome, could he? Godzilla is so excellent he must be mentioned twice! Perhaps he'll show up in World War Hulk. On second thought, Joey Q couldn't be that awesome, could he?

]]> By: Bully http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77605 Bully Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:14:08 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77605 How to fix Civil War? More Godzilla. Any Godzilla, as a matter of fact. How to fix Civil War?

More Godzilla.

Any Godzilla, as a matter of fact.

]]> By: Bully http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77606 Bully Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:14:08 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77606 How to fix Civil War? More Godzilla. Any Godzilla, as a matter of fact. How to fix Civil War?

More Godzilla.

Any Godzilla, as a matter of fact.

]]> By: veghead http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77594 veghead Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:57:13 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77594 "mainstream comics are dying" Duh? This post seems to really have struck a nerve in some die hard Civil War fans. I didn't know that humorless fans of Civil War actually checked out this blog. Interesting. "mainstream comics are dying"

Duh?

This post seems to really have struck a nerve in some die hard Civil War fans. I didn't know that humorless fans of Civil War actually checked out this blog. Interesting.

]]> By: Mike McGee http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77592 Mike McGee Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:55:29 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77592 <b>And The Punisher’s the first person to remember to speak and he says “POPEYE!” and sure enough it’s Popeye.</b> Dude. DUDE. And The Punisher’s the first person to remember to speak and he says “POPEYE!” and sure enough it’s Popeye.

Dude.

DUDE.

]]> By: Omar Karindu http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77547 Omar Karindu Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:19:30 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77547 I'd like to say that I don't deserve that burn that Joe Rice posted...but I really can't. So instead I'll just shout "BOSH!" really loudly and feel kind of embarrassed about my earlier post. I'd like to say that I don't deserve that burn that Joe Rice posted...but I really can't. So instead I'll just shout "BOSH!" really loudly and feel kind of embarrassed about my earlier post.

]]> By: Paul http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/comment-page-1/#comment-77531 Paul Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:53:14 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/04/how-civil-war-could-have-worked/#comment-77531 Let me tell you how I would've done this post. I didn't read it, but here's how I would've done it: I would've gone into the bathroom, careful to lock the door, lotioned up, and let loose into the turlet. After I got finished with that, I would've had my fill of sad masturbation and I would've saved myself a lot of time and typing. Let me tell you how I would've done this post. I didn't read it, but here's how I would've done it:

I would've gone into the bathroom, careful to lock the door, lotioned up, and let loose into the turlet. After I got finished with that, I would've had my fill of sad masturbation and I would've saved myself a lot of time and typing.

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