Comments on: 12 Elements of Spider-man (Part 1) http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:12:25 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: MILLIND http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-712383 MILLIND Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:51:45 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-712383 I WANT TO DO SEX WITH MJ I WANT TO DO SEX WITH MJ

]]> By: ulises http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-101665 ulises Tue, 29 May 2007 22:52:36 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-101665 why u guys taklin shit huh fuck u why u guys taklin shit huh fuck u

]]> By: ulises http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-101535 ulises Tue, 29 May 2007 17:38:40 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-101535 i dont know i like spider man 3 i dont know

i like spider man 3

]]> By: ashley http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-100828 ashley Mon, 28 May 2007 15:37:31 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-100828 i don't know i like spiderman 3 i don't know
i like spiderman 3

]]> By: guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-94631 guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Thu, 17 May 2007 13:56:58 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-94631 jhıııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööıııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııımmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkıııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııı jhıııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööööıııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııımmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkıııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııııı

]]> By: geckoman http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-91735 geckoman Sat, 12 May 2007 09:55:16 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-91735 Hey nice stuff! My favorite Spidey joke is when he first faces x-23 (kind of wolverine girl): -Oh my god Wolverine! What did they do to you! :D Thats my favourite right now. Hey nice stuff!

My favorite Spidey joke is when he first faces x-23 (kind of wolverine girl):
-Oh my god Wolverine! What did they do to you!

:D Thats my favourite right now.

]]> By: mattcomics http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-90386 mattcomics Wed, 09 May 2007 16:37:48 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-90386 The dark covers of Spider-Man in the rain to me symbolize alot about the wrong way to approach the character. That's more emo than everyman. Spidey is not a grim and darkness character! The dark covers of Spider-Man in the rain to me symbolize alot about the wrong way to approach the character. That's more emo than everyman. Spidey is not a grim and darkness character!

]]> By: chroom http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-90085 chroom Wed, 09 May 2007 03:27:38 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-90085 Well, Matt Brady, Parker does just about EVERYTHING well in MA AVENGERS. Man, that's a great book. And I like my Spider-Man in huge Essential volumes. Pretty much anything published after I was born is uninteresting to me. Well, Matt Brady, Parker does just about EVERYTHING well in MA AVENGERS. Man, that's a great book.

And I like my Spider-Man in huge Essential volumes. Pretty much anything published after I was born is uninteresting to me.

]]> By: Matt Brady http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-89876 Matt Brady Tue, 08 May 2007 18:26:21 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-89876 I don't know if I would characterize Spidey as creepy (although there are some good arguments here). I think part of the reason he doesn't necessarily work so well in a team comes down to his antagonistic nature (witness all the times he got in fights with other heroes (especially the human torch) about a misunderstanding) and the fact that his constant joking is annoying. Sure, the jokes are great when he's fighting a villain, as it often gets them upset and reckless, but I think allies would get tired of this fast. Jeff Parker illustrates this well in Marvel Adventures: Avengers, with Spidey often going off on a comedy routing, and the other team members saying, "Will somebody please get him to stop?" I don't know if I would characterize Spidey as creepy (although there are some good arguments here). I think part of the reason he doesn't necessarily work so well in a team comes down to his antagonistic nature (witness all the times he got in fights with other heroes (especially the human torch) about a misunderstanding) and the fact that his constant joking is annoying. Sure, the jokes are great when he's fighting a villain, as it often gets them upset and reckless, but I think allies would get tired of this fast. Jeff Parker illustrates this well in Marvel Adventures: Avengers, with Spidey often going off on a comedy routing, and the other team members saying, "Will somebody please get him to stop?"

]]> By: Patient Boy http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-89868 Patient Boy Tue, 08 May 2007 18:03:58 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-89868 Mark Andrew: I seem to remember you at some point denying being the creator of the Unca Cheeks the Toy Wonder page. Now I'm not so sure anymore. Mark Andrew: I seem to remember you at some point denying being the creator of the Unca Cheeks the Toy Wonder page.

Now I'm not so sure anymore.

]]> By: MarkAndrew http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-89533 MarkAndrew Tue, 08 May 2007 03:33:48 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-89533 So Scorpion's naturally super-powered, except his tail, which is mechanical. Got it. I'm not ENTIRELY sure that Stan remembered either, though. It's clearly established that the Scorpion is more powerful than Spidey, but Spider-man (in an info-dump style thought balloon) is absolutely sure he can hold his breath longer than the Scorpion. If the Scorpion is stronger than Spider-man, wouldn't he have equivalent lung power? I DID go back and change the post, though. Thanks fer the info. <blockquote> 6. Another aspect of this is that Spider-Man is a construct of *showmanship*. It’s always worth remembering (but sometimes forgotten) that Peter Parker’s first impulse wasn’t to use his powers to fight crime, or be an explorer like the FF, but to become an entertainer! </blockquote> Huh. THAT'S a really good point, and never occured to me. (If I ever reprint this in another format I'll definitely work that in, and credit you as best I can.) So Scorpion's naturally super-powered, except his tail, which is mechanical. Got it.

I'm not ENTIRELY sure that Stan remembered either, though. It's clearly established that the Scorpion is more powerful than Spidey, but Spider-man (in an info-dump style thought balloon) is absolutely sure he can hold his breath longer than the Scorpion. If the Scorpion is stronger than Spider-man, wouldn't he have equivalent lung power?

I DID go back and change the post, though. Thanks fer
the info.

6. Another aspect of this is that Spider-Man is a construct of *showmanship*. It’s always worth remembering (but sometimes forgotten) that Peter Parker’s first impulse wasn’t to use his powers to fight crime, or be an explorer like the FF, but to become an entertainer!

Huh. THAT'S a really good point, and never occured to me.

(If I ever reprint this in another format I'll definitely work that in, and credit you as best I can.)

]]> By: T. http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-89519 T. Tue, 08 May 2007 02:39:07 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-89519 <blockquote>I don’t know if someone else has pointed this out already, but Mac Gargan wasn’t just a “regular joe”, he had superpowers, too. Much like Spider-man had the proportionate powers of a spider, so too did Mac have scorpion powers. Unless I’m mistaken.</blockquote> No, you're right. The only purpose of the suit is to attach the tail, the actual powers are in Gargan.

I don’t know if someone else has pointed this out already, but Mac Gargan wasn’t just a “regular joe”, he had superpowers, too. Much like Spider-man had the proportionate powers of a spider, so too did Mac have scorpion powers. Unless I’m mistaken.

No, you're right. The only purpose of the suit is to attach the tail, the actual powers are in Gargan.

]]> By: Ditko Hands http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-89488 Ditko Hands Tue, 08 May 2007 00:59:53 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-89488 Thank you for saying that Spider-Man is interested in science--but is not a super-genius! I absolutely loathe the idea that Peter Parker is basically Reed Richards with different powers (how many geniuses does the Marvel Universe need, anyway?), and the whole organic web-shooter "controversy" is solely due to some people thinking that PP must be a scientific mastermind. Thank you for saying that Spider-Man is interested in science--but is not a super-genius! I absolutely loathe the idea that Peter Parker is basically Reed Richards with different powers (how many geniuses does the Marvel Universe need, anyway?), and the whole organic web-shooter "controversy" is solely due to some people thinking that PP must be a scientific mastermind.

]]> By: seth http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-89485 seth Tue, 08 May 2007 00:54:48 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-89485 "that the Scorpion suit ain’t built for aquatic mobility, and the dude IN the suit, bein’ just a regular joe," I don't know if someone else has pointed this out already, but Mac Gargan wasn't just a "regular joe", he had superpowers, too. Much like Spider-man had the proportionate powers of a spider, so too did Mac have scorpion powers. Unless I'm mistaken. "that the Scorpion suit ain’t built for aquatic mobility, and the dude IN the suit, bein’ just a regular joe,"

I don't know if someone else has pointed this out already, but Mac Gargan wasn't just a "regular joe", he had superpowers, too. Much like Spider-man had the proportionate powers of a spider, so too did Mac have scorpion powers. Unless I'm mistaken.

]]> By: Ian http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-89465 Ian Mon, 07 May 2007 23:56:26 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-89465 "The wisecracks! One of the things that the movies have gotten all wrong is that Spidey doesn’t punctuate his fight scenes with wisecracks! That’s just eerie for me, I’m USED to hearing wisecracks all the time during a Spidey fight! I’ve been wanting to shout this at Raimi ever since Spiderman 1. Not having him jabbing wisecracks totally detracts from his character in the movies, and I miss it like hell. It’s just not Spidey in those movies." I agreed with this at first but I think the inclusion of moments of absolute hilarity throughout all the movies kind of make up for this. Save the fight with the Bonesaw every fight has been very serious and having him crack jokes would have lessened the impact. The fights in Spider-man are dark, brutal fights. It works when he cracks jokes fighting characters on the page becuase a) they're just drawings and b)the static images allow for extended dialouge that would really slow down a fight. Peter is still funny and light-hearted and Tobey executes that well, so I think its one of the things that is more a victim to the medium change than anything else. By the way, for people with such strong feelings for Spider-Man, I find it odd that so many of you spell his name wrong. "The wisecracks! One of the things that the movies have gotten all wrong is that Spidey doesn’t punctuate his fight scenes with wisecracks! That’s just eerie for me, I’m USED to hearing wisecracks all the time during a Spidey fight! I’ve been wanting to shout this at Raimi ever since Spiderman 1. Not having him jabbing wisecracks totally detracts from his character in the movies, and I miss it like hell. It’s just not Spidey in those movies."
I agreed with this at first but I think the inclusion of moments of absolute hilarity throughout all the movies kind of make up for this. Save the fight with the Bonesaw every fight has been very serious and having him crack jokes would have lessened the impact.
The fights in Spider-man are dark, brutal fights. It works when he cracks jokes fighting characters on the page becuase a) they're just drawings and b)the static images allow for extended dialouge that would really slow down a fight.
Peter is still funny and light-hearted and Tobey executes that well, so I think its one of the things that is more a victim to the medium change than anything else.

By the way, for people with such strong feelings for Spider-Man, I find it odd that so many of you spell his name wrong.

]]> By: km http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-89439 km Mon, 07 May 2007 22:53:53 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-89439 Nice piece. I can do without the overtly-precious apostrophes ('jes', etc) but otherwise, lots of fun. <blockquote>Ha! Bwahaha even! Most superhero fiction is routed in enjoyable escapism, and featuring a hero with a playful and easy way with words is simply fun, fun, fun for the audience.</blockquote> Absolutely. For me a lot of what you've written here can be summed up in a unique, or at least uniquely engaging, self-awareness. Peter Parker realises *exactly* how ludicrous it is for a grown man to be clinging to the side of a building in tights, fighting off mad scientists... ...but hey, it's also kind of fun. Plus of course people keep kidnapping his nearest and dearest and stuff. So...what's a regular guy gonna do in that situation? Yep: improvise. I'll leave the deeper analysis to someone with more of a familiarity with the later comic plotlines - I haven't picked up a Spidey Book since being burned by the Clone Saga - but that's what totally enchanted me, as a teenager. Spidey, quite simply, gets it. He made the superhero fantasy accessible, and he entertained the hell out of me while he did it. Nice piece. I can do without the overtly-precious apostrophes ('jes', etc) but otherwise, lots of fun.

Ha! Bwahaha even! Most superhero fiction is routed in enjoyable escapism, and featuring a hero with a playful and easy way with words is simply fun, fun, fun for the audience.

Absolutely. For me a lot of what you've written here can be summed up in a unique, or at least uniquely engaging, self-awareness. Peter Parker realises *exactly* how ludicrous it is for a grown man to be clinging to the side of a building in tights, fighting off mad scientists...

...but hey, it's also kind of fun. Plus of course people keep kidnapping his nearest and dearest and stuff. So...what's a regular guy gonna do in that situation? Yep: improvise.

I'll leave the deeper analysis to someone with more of a familiarity with the later comic plotlines - I haven't picked up a Spidey Book since being burned by the Clone Saga - but that's what totally enchanted me, as a teenager. Spidey, quite simply, gets it. He made the superhero fantasy accessible, and he entertained the hell out of me while he did it.

]]> By: Dan K http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-89385 Dan K Mon, 07 May 2007 20:34:36 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-89385 Nice post, looking foward to part two (I love me some Joseph Campbell). I've got to say that, although I like wisecracking Spidey in the comics, I completely agree with Raimi's choice to leave them out of the movies. Raimi's chosen to go with the more anxsty, dramatic aspects of Spidey's persona and history (probably the right choice for the format) too many puns might detract from that. You can't have all the ha ha as well as all the boo hoo. Tobey and Kirsen are both a bit lack-lustre as far as I'm concerned, but can we all at least agree that J K Simmons as JJJ is the best casting choice in history? Nice post, looking foward to part two (I love me some Joseph Campbell).

I've got to say that, although I like wisecracking Spidey in the comics, I completely agree with Raimi's choice to leave them out of the movies. Raimi's chosen to go with the more anxsty, dramatic aspects of Spidey's persona and history (probably the right choice for the format) too many puns might detract from that. You can't have all the ha ha as well as all the boo hoo.

Tobey and Kirsen are both a bit lack-lustre as far as I'm concerned, but can we all at least agree that J K Simmons as JJJ is the best casting choice in history?

]]> By: Andrew Collins http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-89363 Andrew Collins Mon, 07 May 2007 19:54:12 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-89363 Omar said: "2. Kirsten Dunst - HUH!?!?! Who the hell cast her as Mary Jane Watson? She’s COLD. COLD. COLD. Mary Jane was never cold. Not to mention that Dunst is just…ungh - dunno - she just totally doesn’t work for me. I’ve been saying this since Spiderman 1 and I’m more sure of it now having just seen Spiderman 3. She’s a HUGE casting MISTAKE" Total agreement there. I still think they should have cast Alicia Witt as Mary Jane. She looks the part more, is prettier (In my opinion, anyway), IS a natural redhead, and can come across as a warmer, livelier person. Dunst's MJ seems to wooden and forced to me... Omar said:
"2. Kirsten Dunst - HUH!?!?! Who the hell cast her as Mary Jane Watson? She’s COLD. COLD. COLD. Mary Jane was never cold. Not to mention that Dunst is just…ungh - dunno - she just totally doesn’t work for me. I’ve been saying this since Spiderman 1 and I’m more sure of it now having just seen Spiderman 3. She’s a HUGE casting MISTAKE"

Total agreement there. I still think they should have cast Alicia Witt as Mary Jane. She looks the part more, is prettier (In my opinion, anyway), IS a natural redhead, and can come across as a warmer, livelier person. Dunst's MJ seems to wooden and forced to me...

]]> By: T. http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-89336 T. Mon, 07 May 2007 18:27:19 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-89336 Omar: I think the lack of jokes may have a lot to do with the casting as well. I wouldn't be surprised if jokes were originally intended for the first installement but were dropped based on Tobey's delivery. The few jokes we do hear Maguire say in Spidey attire just sound awful. In fact, just about any time I see Spider-Man with Maguire's voice coming out of the mask just seems wrong. I think even the voice from the PC vs. Mac parodies sounds more like Spider-Man should than Maguire. Omar:

I think the lack of jokes may have a lot to do with the casting as well. I wouldn't be surprised if jokes were originally intended for the first installement but were dropped based on Tobey's delivery. The few jokes we do hear Maguire say in Spidey attire just sound awful. In fact, just about any time I see Spider-Man with Maguire's voice coming out of the mask just seems wrong. I think even the voice from the PC vs. Mac parodies sounds more like Spider-Man should than Maguire.

]]> By: Jaap http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-89334 Jaap Mon, 07 May 2007 18:20:52 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/07/12-elements-of-spider-man-part-1/#comment-89334 Omar: THANK you. I've been saying the wisecrack stuff since SM1, and I really miss it. It's there when he fights the wrestler, in 1, but that's about it. On the other hand, it's a lot more understandable in a comic if he punches Harry once and explains the velocity of his punch against his nose. This could not be done in a movie. Still some pre-fight banter could not hurt. I got no beef with Kirsten Dunst, but Tobey is not a spider-man. Omar: THANK you. I've been saying the wisecrack stuff since SM1, and I really miss it. It's there when he fights the wrestler, in 1, but that's about it.

On the other hand, it's a lot more understandable in a comic if he punches Harry once and explains the velocity of his punch against his nose. This could not be done in a movie. Still some pre-fight banter could not hurt.

I got no beef with Kirsten Dunst, but Tobey is not a spider-man.

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