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Snark Free Corner for 5/14

Welcome to the latest installment of your breath of snark free air!

Enjoy!

COOL COMIC MOMENT

Mary Jane Watson was first mentioned all the way back in Amazing Spider-Man #15. This was well before Gwen Stacy, and it was Betty Brant, instead, that Peter was dating.

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Note Aunt May's reasoning for why Mary Jane is so neat (she would be quite good at washing costumes, I bet!)

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Aunt May was persistent, though, and brought it up the very next issue.

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This led to a funny line (in retrospect) by Spidey -

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"That Mary Jane chick"

What a lot of fans forget/don't know is that Mary Jane being attractive was NOT something that was supposed to be a surprise when she first showed up. In issue #25, we got this exchange, when Liz Allen and Betty Brant (this is still pre-Gwen Stacy) head over to Peter's house...

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Issue #38 also featured an obscured Mary Jane, but #42 (with the book now drawn by John Romita) was the big one.

Peter is deep in thought about Gwen Stacy (who he had first met in issue #31), when he goes with Aunt May to visit Mary Jane and her aunt.

This, of course, led to one of the most famous panels in comic history.

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Pretty cool, huh?

COVER THEME GAME

As always, here is the game. I show three covers. They all have something in common, whether it be a character, a trait all three characters share, locale, creator, SOMEthing. And it isn't something obvious like "They all have prices!" "They all have logos!" "They all feature a man!" etc.

In addition, please note that you must have some familiarity with comic book history to correctly guess these comics. You cannot guess the connective theme just by looking at the covers solely, you must have some knowledge beyond just the covers.

Good luck! A cool point to the first person to figure it out!

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SNARK FREE CHALLENGE

Who is the best non-original member of the Fantastic Four (not counting the Spider-Man/Hulk/Wolverine/Ghost Rider team)?

THE COVER GAME

Homages are getting boring, so now it's just going to be "The Cover Game," and I'll just come up with a different cover-related game each week.

This week's game is as follows...

When the All-New/All-Different X-Men first showed up in their own title, this was the lineup that appeared on the cover (in hindsight, the writing was on the wall for Thunderbird, no?):

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However, these six characters (Banshee, Storm, Wolverine, Cyclops, Nightcrawler and Colossus) really didn't appear on many covers together.

So, one cool point for each new cover someone names that features all six characters on it!

Good luck!

EDITED TO ADD: Oops! I forgot to mention the standard caveat of only one cover per person (so one person can't just name, like, twelve covers at once).

WHO IS IT?

Remember, tell me who it is and what number clue gave it away!

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5. This creator came up with the redesigned Flash costume Wally West wore (the one with the white eyes).

Who is it?

Well, that's it for this installment of Snark Free Corner.

Hope you had fun!

  • Posted on May 14, 2007 @ 09:41 PM

32 Comments

Challenge: She-Hulk. I rather like the current line-up but it hasn't been around long enough for a Black Panther nomination... yet.

Cover Game (neat idea by the way): Classic X-Men 14

Cover game, Uncanny X-Men #128:
http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=33946&zoom=4

Note that Bashee isn't wearing his costume and his hair is colored blonde on the cape, but it's him all right!

(The game didn't mention if he had to wear his uniform...)

Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)

I mean, it's colored blonde on the COVER. Sorry!

Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)

Who is it? Greg Larocque (sic?), I think. Got it on 5.

Rohan Williams

May 15, 2007 at 3:37 am

I've gotta go with She-Hulk as the best FF fill-in.

Cover game: Uncanny X-Men #141 -- they're all on the wanted posters. http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=35059&zoom=4

Since Scott Lang didn't actually accept, I have to go with Kristoff.

I grew up on that run and have such an unnatural love for it.

But I think Kristoff is a great character anyway. If they ever bring back Young Avengers, he's the natural arch enemy.

Brian Augustyn was the redesigner. Took me all the way to clue 5.

Crystal for me was always my favorite substitute FFer. Or, if we're going to go all multi-verse on us, Flo. Def. Flo.

Graham Vingoe

May 15, 2007 at 5:48 am

my favourite substitute FFer has always been Medusa. I prefer her in tandem with them more than with her fellow Inhumans- ever since her marriage to Black Bolt, shes been more of the supportive wife character rather than the original, standalone kickass she was in the early days.

Truthfully, I never really liked any of the substitute members of the FF. None of them ever really fit for me. If I had to choose, I'd probably go with She-Hulk because she was the first character that came to mind.

Now, I know Steve Ditko is one of the legends of the industry, but boy does his art look horrible up against Romita's. Outside of his Aunt May looking like a Halloween witch, his Liz Allen is one of the more frightening looking women I have seen in a long time (especially those first two panels...yeesh!)!

She Hulk is the best replacement FF member, hands down. I was actually diappointed when the Thing returned.

On the cover game I think they all show characters who were members of the Justice League at one point and moved on to another team (specifically Gypsy, Hawkman, and Fire)(also Power Girl, Obsidian, and Damage)

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Uncany X-Men 119 as well.

I thought She-Hulk was the replacement member who best fit the FF. If she hadn't joined up would we have such great Thing stories as Secret Wars II #2?

Ok, for the cover theme game:

Each issue has people not necessarily impersonating, but taking on the qualities of others.

In Birds of Prey Lady Siva calls herself the "Jade Canary" and takes Black Canary's role, in Justice League America Martian Manhunter not only is Bloodwynd but also takes on the form of a Guardian in the story and in Justice Society of America other than the obvious legacy characters that run among the ranks, there is also the discussion of Damage not wanting to be like his father (the original Atom) but wears his mask anyway.

Or, if that isn't good enough, each book has something to do with Stars. In BOP THe Crime Doctor has glasses that are stars, in JSA there's Stargirl and Starman, and in JLA they face the Starbreaker.

That should be enough.

For the cover theme game:
Each cover features heroes who were members of the Conglomerate: Gypsy, Jesse Quick and Booster Gold (who founded the Conglomerate).

Oh, the Conglomerate! Of course.

Cover game:

X-Men #123 (all trapped by Arcade)

Also X-Men #114 (they're all ghost images).

It's interesting to note how often Wolverine or Banshee is left off the cover. You could tell Cockrum really preferred his own creations (which makes sense), especially Colossus, judging from how often he's in the foreground or the center of the action.

Fun game, by the way!

by the way, those may be considered "Uncanny" X-Men #'s 123 and 114, although it wasn't officially called that until ish 142.

I want to include #138 but for the life of me I can't make out Banshee on any of those pink reprint covers in the background except as a head in the corner box. Which begs the question, does a corner-box-head count if it's somewhere else on the cover besides a corner box? U decide!

While I have a soft spot for Luke Cage, I think She-Hulk was definitely the most significant non-core member of the FF.

Who is it? Greg Larocque (sic?), I think. Got it on 5.

Correctamundo, Ken!

For the cover theme game:
Each cover features heroes who were members of the Conglomerate: Gypsy, Jesse Quick and Booster Gold (who founded the Conglomerate).

You got it, Mirror Universe Brian!!

Yay!!! Had I read this earlier, I'd have gotten the "Who Is It!" (at #5)

Luke Cage was the best fill in FF-er! He brought a every-man perspective to a title that was full of fantasy and cosmic level threats. Without te Ting, you need someone like that on the team!

I want to say Ms. Marvel, but only after Simonson took over the book (and speaking of, there's a fine example of someone taking the tools he was given--She-Thing and regular human Ben Grimm--and running with it for awhile instead of immediately resetting things the way he wanted them).

Each cover features heroes who were members of the Conglomerate: Gypsy, Jesse Quick and Booster Gold (who founded the Conglomerate).

Ah that was Gypsy? I didn't have a clue who that was - and the costume bears no resemblance to the Gypsy costume I remember.

Was Jesse Quick in The Conglomerate? I don't remember that.

I loved the running MJ gag when I was re-reading the old Spidey comics. I remember hearing somewhere that they showed the same scenes in flashback from Mary Jane's perspective, and she was avoiding him the same way he was avoiding her, and for the same reasons--they both thought that the person their aunt picked for them was probably someone who couldn't get a date any other way. Anyone know where that was, if it really happened?

Mobelius Rodelius

May 17, 2007 at 9:23 am

I have to agree with Ye Olde Iowa that Romita's female characters are vastly more appealing than Ditko's. Those panels of Liz Allen and Betty Brant are really unattractive, like bizarre caricatures. In fact, they are kind of reminiscent of the truly ugly females in the Betty and Veronica digest a few stories up. That gorgeous Romita image of Mary Jane is a serious palate-cleanser.

did anyone say X-Men 200 for the cover game. It has EVERY x-man. Other than that I think we got all the uncanny covers (I keep a list).

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