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	<title>Comments on: Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #105</title>
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		<title>By: Desert Son</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/comment-page-2/#comment-663883</link>
		<dc:creator>Desert Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 01:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, everybody!  I hate Jack Kirby&#039;s art!  That makes me cool and unique!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, everybody!  I hate Jack Kirby's art!  That makes me cool and unique!</p>
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		<title>By: Julio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I&#039;m the boy that always arrives late to posts! Well, I&#039;m an amateur drawist and on one hand I think that I would feel deeply offended for such a change in my drawings, but for the other hand....as a comic reader... both original faces were creepy....
 And, I also think that the Tothn depiction of Wonder Woman is fabulous, She looks younger and cuter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I'm the boy that always arrives late to posts! Well, I'm an amateur drawist and on one hand I think that I would feel deeply offended for such a change in my drawings, but for the other hand....as a comic reader... both original faces were creepy....<br />
 And, I also think that the Tothn depiction of Wonder Woman is fabulous, She looks younger and cuter</p>
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		<title>By: bebop01</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/comment-page-2/#comment-324654</link>
		<dc:creator>bebop01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah! Those guys, Kirby and Toth are terrible artists. What the hell are they doing in comics! TheyÂ´re lousy and is people like them that comics get a bad reputation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah! Those guys, Kirby and Toth are terrible artists. What the hell are they doing in comics! TheyÂ´re lousy and is people like them that comics get a bad reputation!</p>
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		<title>By: ESE150</title>
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		<dc:creator>ESE150</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Brian: You must be kidding. I wouldn&#039;t call the change for the poster an improvement. I had never seen Supes&#039; face drawn as creepy as it was in the poster. Even if I was a Superfriends fan, that face would prevent me from wanting to put that poster in my bedroom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Brian: You must be kidding. I wouldn't call the change for the poster an improvement. I had never seen Supes' face drawn as creepy as it was in the poster. Even if I was a Superfriends fan, that face would prevent me from wanting to put that poster in my bedroom...</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Watson</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/comment-page-2/#comment-123449</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I wrote, &quot;Why it wasn&#039;t caught earlier...&quot; I was referring to the resemblance between Crawford (from ADVENTURE) and Terrence Thirteen. Sorry for my ambiguity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I wrote, "Why it wasn't caught earlier..." I was referring to the resemblance between Crawford (from ADVENTURE) and Terrence Thirteen. Sorry for my ambiguity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Watson</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/comment-page-2/#comment-112574</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan Miller: I was not &quot;being sarcastic up there&quot; and stand corrected. Didn&#039;t---and still don&#039;t---have access to those stories, and just went with my knowledge of the level of Superman appearances in JO stories before and after. As far as Jimmy&#039;s faces being redrawn too, a feature in one of the Super-Spec format SUPERMAN FAMILY issues reprinted drawings of Jimmy by various artists, and Kirby&#039;s version looked as off as the Supes on the FOREVER PEOPLE cover I mentioned earlier, so I&#039;d say no.

I&#039;d like to add one other redrawn face instance here: when a three--issue run of the DR. 13 feature in GHOSTS was a direct sequel to the Spectre stories by Fleisher and Aparo in ADVENTURE, the character of Earl Crawford was obviously redrawn, and a look at one of Aparo&#039;s renderings will show you he looked too much like 13 for both to appear in the same story, so somebody---I suspect Vince Colletta, but am just guessing---redrew Earl, it being Terry&#039;s strip. Why it wasn&#039;t caught earlier, I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan Miller: I was not "being sarcastic up there" and stand corrected. Didn't---and still don't---have access to those stories, and just went with my knowledge of the level of Superman appearances in JO stories before and after. As far as Jimmy's faces being redrawn too, a feature in one of the Super-Spec format SUPERMAN FAMILY issues reprinted drawings of Jimmy by various artists, and Kirby's version looked as off as the Supes on the FOREVER PEOPLE cover I mentioned earlier, so I'd say no.</p>
<p>I'd like to add one other redrawn face instance here: when a three--issue run of the DR. 13 feature in GHOSTS was a direct sequel to the Spectre stories by Fleisher and Aparo in ADVENTURE, the character of Earl Crawford was obviously redrawn, and a look at one of Aparo's renderings will show you he looked too much like 13 for both to appear in the same story, so somebody---I suspect Vince Colletta, but am just guessing---redrew Earl, it being Terry's strip. Why it wasn't caught earlier, I don't know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Miller</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/comment-page-2/#comment-109631</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted, I&#039;m going to assume you weren&#039;t being sarcastic up there and answer your objection. Superman did, in fact, appear in every issue of &quot;Jimmy Olsen&quot; that Kirby wrote/drew. In fact, he sometimes got more panel time than Jimmy himself did. You might want to read the actual issues before commenting on them.

Also--Brian, I&#039;d always heard that many of the Jimmy Olsen faces were redrawn as well. Is that true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, I'm going to assume you weren't being sarcastic up there and answer your objection. Superman did, in fact, appear in every issue of "Jimmy Olsen" that Kirby wrote/drew. In fact, he sometimes got more panel time than Jimmy himself did. You might want to read the actual issues before commenting on them.</p>
<p>Also--Brian, I'd always heard that many of the Jimmy Olsen faces were redrawn as well. Is that true?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Watson</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/comment-page-2/#comment-108640</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ununnilium: &quot;...promising Kirby and giving someone else....&quot;

Absurd! Yes Superman&#039;s face was redrawn but nothing else, or at least that&#039;s the implication here. And being that the series was JIMMY OLSEN, I&#039;d bet that Supes didn&#039;t appear all THAT often. Keep things in accurate perspective, for Pete&#039;s sake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ununnilium: "...promising Kirby and giving someone else...."</p>
<p>Absurd! Yes Superman's face was redrawn but nothing else, or at least that's the implication here. And being that the series was JIMMY OLSEN, I'd bet that Supes didn't appear all THAT often. Keep things in accurate perspective, for Pete's sake!</p>
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		<title>By: Ununnilium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ununnilium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think the redrawing-Kirby thing was a bad decision.  It was dishonest to both the readers (promising Kirby and giving someone else) and Kirby himself (since it didn&#039;t seem like he was told this would happen).  Yes, DC legally had the right to do so, but that doesn&#039;t make it the right thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think the redrawing-Kirby thing was a bad decision.  It was dishonest to both the readers (promising Kirby and giving someone else) and Kirby himself (since it didn't seem like he was told this would happen).  Yes, DC legally had the right to do so, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: DanCJ</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/comment-page-2/#comment-107821</link>
		<dc:creator>DanCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Today, itâ€™s very unlikely that such retouching would occur.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Except to John Byrne in his recent run on Superman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Today, itâ€™s very unlikely that such retouching would occur.</p></blockquote>
<p>Except to John Byrne in his recent run on Superman</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, the early issues of X-Men are FANTASTIC. The X-Men fight carnies, for one thing, and that&#039;s a one-way trip to awesome right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, the early issues of X-Men are FANTASTIC. The X-Men fight carnies, for one thing, and that's a one-way trip to awesome right there.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkAndrew</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/comment-page-2/#comment-106222</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkAndrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;* Fantastic, dynamic, forward-looking, and full of ideas Kirbyâ€™s art may have been, but â€œprettyâ€ isnâ€™t a word that gets attached very often to his art, especially his faces. Kirby purists would always prefer to see the art as-drawn, but the general populace would usually prefer to have the art â€œprettiedâ€ up, brought in line with what the expect from similar product (ie, the rest of DCâ€™s line).&quot;

I&#039;m sure that&#039;s what DC thought.  

If I were a comics fan of the time, I&#039;d consider this an insult to my intelligence.  

&quot;The comics world was a lot different 35 years ago than it is today. We are much more aware of and driven by fans and the desires of fans, and much more in tune with holding to the creatorâ€™s vision. Today, itâ€™s very unlikely that such retouching would occur. At the time (and with Jack on the other coast and no FedEx or computers to hasten changes and corrections), adjusting the art to match the model sheets was the right thing to do, based on the business models and such in place then.&quot;

Well, yeah.  Not disagreeing.  I&#039;m just sayin&#039; that those particular practices were helluva dumb.

After the &quot;Kirby is Coming&quot; house ads, and given the general sales of Jimmy Olsen at the time, (I think.  There&#039;s an Urban Legend that this was DC&#039;S lowest selling title.)  it&#039;s fairly safe to say that the major draw on the book at this time was Kirby&#039;s art.  

From THAT POV, it doesn&#039;t make much sense to change it.

(Also:  By and large I think that Kirby&#039;s Forth World books were much stronger than his average work for Marvel.  I&#039;m not arguing that Fantastic Four was as good as superhero comics have been ever for nigh-on two years, but the rest of the Lee/Kirby creations fall well below that standard.  And many are downright bad.  (See:  Early issues of X-men.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"* Fantastic, dynamic, forward-looking, and full of ideas Kirbyâ€™s art may have been, but â€œprettyâ€ isnâ€™t a word that gets attached very often to his art, especially his faces. Kirby purists would always prefer to see the art as-drawn, but the general populace would usually prefer to have the art â€œprettiedâ€ up, brought in line with what the expect from similar product (ie, the rest of DCâ€™s line)."</p>
<p>I'm sure that's what DC thought.  </p>
<p>If I were a comics fan of the time, I'd consider this an insult to my intelligence.  </p>
<p>"The comics world was a lot different 35 years ago than it is today. We are much more aware of and driven by fans and the desires of fans, and much more in tune with holding to the creatorâ€™s vision. Today, itâ€™s very unlikely that such retouching would occur. At the time (and with Jack on the other coast and no FedEx or computers to hasten changes and corrections), adjusting the art to match the model sheets was the right thing to do, based on the business models and such in place then."</p>
<p>Well, yeah.  Not disagreeing.  I'm just sayin' that those particular practices were helluva dumb.</p>
<p>After the "Kirby is Coming" house ads, and given the general sales of Jimmy Olsen at the time, (I think.  There's an Urban Legend that this was DC'S lowest selling title.)  it's fairly safe to say that the major draw on the book at this time was Kirby's art.  </p>
<p>From THAT POV, it doesn't make much sense to change it.</p>
<p>(Also:  By and large I think that Kirby's Forth World books were much stronger than his average work for Marvel.  I'm not arguing that Fantastic Four was as good as superhero comics have been ever for nigh-on two years, but the rest of the Lee/Kirby creations fall well below that standard.  And many are downright bad.  (See:  Early issues of X-men.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Watson</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/comment-page-2/#comment-106208</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody know how FOREVER PEOPLE #1&#039;s cover got by the powers--that--be at DC? For all the years that I&#039;ve been hearing about redrawn Kirby/Superman, that was the only one I&#039;d actually seen until this CBUL entry, and it cries out for help. That aside, I must admit that I&#039;ve always felt that while Jack Kirby was a great idea man, he just couldn&#039;t execute them worth a damn himself. His best work was at Marvel in the 1960s, and Stan Lee was deeply involved in the plotting, doing the scripting, and choosing the inkers. I&#039;ve also held a similar opinion about Steve Ditko, except he DID have a good period on his own, at DC in the late &#039;60s (BEWARE, THE CREEPER; THE HAWK &amp; THE DOVE).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody know how FOREVER PEOPLE #1's cover got by the powers--that--be at DC? For all the years that I've been hearing about redrawn Kirby/Superman, that was the only one I'd actually seen until this CBUL entry, and it cries out for help. That aside, I must admit that I've always felt that while Jack Kirby was a great idea man, he just couldn't execute them worth a damn himself. His best work was at Marvel in the 1960s, and Stan Lee was deeply involved in the plotting, doing the scripting, and choosing the inkers. I've also held a similar opinion about Steve Ditko, except he DID have a good period on his own, at DC in the late '60s (BEWARE, THE CREEPER; THE HAWK &amp; THE DOVE).</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things get easily missed in this discussion about Kirby:

* Fantastic, dynamic, forward-looking, and full of ideas Kirby&#039;s art may have been, but &quot;pretty&quot; isn&#039;t a word that gets attached very often to his art, especially his faces.  Kirby purists would always prefer to see the art as-drawn, but the general populace would usually prefer to have the art &quot;prettied&quot; up, brought in line with what the expect from similar product (ie, the rest of DC&#039;s line).

* The comics world was a lot different 35 years ago than it is today.  We are much more aware of and driven by fans and the desires of fans, and much more in tune with holding to the creator&#039;s vision.  Today, it&#039;s very unlikely that such retouching would occur.  At the time (and with Jack on the other coast and no FedEx or computers to hasten changes and corrections), adjusting the art to match the model sheets was the right thing to do, based on the business models and such in place then.

Decrying the actions of decades ago based on how the industry works today is ignorant.  (Being saddened by those action, that&#039;s a different matter.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things get easily missed in this discussion about Kirby:</p>
<p>* Fantastic, dynamic, forward-looking, and full of ideas Kirby's art may have been, but "pretty" isn't a word that gets attached very often to his art, especially his faces.  Kirby purists would always prefer to see the art as-drawn, but the general populace would usually prefer to have the art "prettied" up, brought in line with what the expect from similar product (ie, the rest of DC's line).</p>
<p>* The comics world was a lot different 35 years ago than it is today.  We are much more aware of and driven by fans and the desires of fans, and much more in tune with holding to the creator's vision.  Today, it's very unlikely that such retouching would occur.  At the time (and with Jack on the other coast and no FedEx or computers to hasten changes and corrections), adjusting the art to match the model sheets was the right thing to do, based on the business models and such in place then.</p>
<p>Decrying the actions of decades ago based on how the industry works today is ignorant.  (Being saddened by those action, that's a different matter.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Hebert</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hebert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was drawing &quot;Punisher War Journal&quot;, we had a miniseries within the series called &quot;Dead Man&#039;s Hand&quot; which x-ed over with Nomad and Daredevil. In the 3 issues I drew, Spidey villain Silvermane kept popping up as comic relief in the vane of the bikers from &quot;Every Which Way But Loose&quot; where he&#039;d show up, get run over by a truck, etc., and by the end of the series, he was supposed to be all &quot;cobbled up&quot; with replacement parts. I was in Marvels offices one day and decided to show off copies of the pencils to Danny Fingeroth-the Spider-Man line editor and he became extremely upset with the fact that &quot;nobody had cleared Silvermanes&#039; appearance&quot; with the Spidey office(him) and the shoddy treatment of S-Mane.
Lo and behold, from the seconfd book on, Silvermane was drawn out of the story and they actually threw Nomad into a couple of his spots which makes NO sense storywise(badly, badly drawn too!) Check it out sometimeno wonder I&#039;m out of comics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was drawing "Punisher War Journal", we had a miniseries within the series called "Dead Man's Hand" which x-ed over with Nomad and Daredevil. In the 3 issues I drew, Spidey villain Silvermane kept popping up as comic relief in the vane of the bikers from "Every Which Way But Loose" where he'd show up, get run over by a truck, etc., and by the end of the series, he was supposed to be all "cobbled up" with replacement parts. I was in Marvels offices one day and decided to show off copies of the pencils to Danny Fingeroth-the Spider-Man line editor and he became extremely upset with the fact that "nobody had cleared Silvermanes' appearance" with the Spidey office(him) and the shoddy treatment of S-Mane.<br />
Lo and behold, from the seconfd book on, Silvermane was drawn out of the story and they actually threw Nomad into a couple of his spots which makes NO sense storywise(badly, badly drawn too!) Check it out sometimeno wonder I'm out of comics!</p>
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		<title>By: yo go re</title>
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		<dc:creator>yo go re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Superman definitely wasnâ€™t created â€œwell before Kirby picked up [his] pencil.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&quot;...to draw Superman&quot; is the implied second half of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Superman definitely wasnâ€™t created â€œwell before Kirby picked up [his] pencil.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>"...to draw Superman" is the implied second half of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Babylon23</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/comment-page-2/#comment-105077</link>
		<dc:creator>Babylon23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 02:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand DC&#039;s decision to alter Kirby&#039;s faces to suit the house style, what frustrates me more is the changes in the facial expression itself. In this instance, itâ€™s not just a case of altering the face to suit the house style and to maintain a uniform look for the character. Pastino has actually completely changed Kirbyâ€™s expression, and in doing so has altered the meaning of the panel itself. 

In the Kirby original, Superman has an ominous look (furrowed brown, frown, darkened eyes), mainly because the information heâ€™s imparting relates to prophesies of destruction. Yet in the altered image, Supes is smiling. Itâ€™s only one panel, but it completely alters the characterâ€™s reaction to the story surrounding the panel as well as going against the characterâ€™s established nature and personality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand DC's decision to alter Kirby's faces to suit the house style, what frustrates me more is the changes in the facial expression itself. In this instance, itâ€™s not just a case of altering the face to suit the house style and to maintain a uniform look for the character. Pastino has actually completely changed Kirbyâ€™s expression, and in doing so has altered the meaning of the panel itself. </p>
<p>In the Kirby original, Superman has an ominous look (furrowed brown, frown, darkened eyes), mainly because the information heâ€™s imparting relates to prophesies of destruction. Yet in the altered image, Supes is smiling. Itâ€™s only one panel, but it completely alters the characterâ€™s reaction to the story surrounding the panel as well as going against the characterâ€™s established nature and personality.</p>
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		<title>By: Nunny</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/comment-page-2/#comment-105043</link>
		<dc:creator>Nunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we handle the truth? This is a tough one. Do we really want to know who really played on the Monkees and Sex Pistols albums? Or who did most of Michaelangleos ceiling or who embellished Kirby&#039;s sketches? Or do we simply tell ourselves, &quot;it&#039;s all good&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we handle the truth? This is a tough one. Do we really want to know who really played on the Monkees and Sex Pistols albums? Or who did most of Michaelangleos ceiling or who embellished Kirby's sketches? Or do we simply tell ourselves, "it's all good".</p>
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		<title>By: Wulf the Younger</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/05/31/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-105/comment-page-2/#comment-104800</link>
		<dc:creator>Wulf the Younger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read through all these comments, and I had two thoughts. First, how old are you folks? I&#039;m not trying to insult anyone. I&#039;m just yet again in awe of the internet&#039;s power to let people of all ages, sexes, and locations argue with a vitriol usually reserved for real life.

My second thought - hey, you can love or hate Jack Kirby, John Romita, John Byrne, Dave Cockrum, etc. That&#039;s gotta be your call. But as a fan of comic books, I dislike the thought of details being redrawn if it&#039;s not going to be credited. If my book says &quot;Drawn by Jack Kirby&quot;, I want it Drawn by Jack Kirby. If somebody else was doing something on that art, it should be credited in the book.

Of course, DC&#039;s corporate attitude doesn&#039;t make an honesty a priority...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read through all these comments, and I had two thoughts. First, how old are you folks? I'm not trying to insult anyone. I'm just yet again in awe of the internet's power to let people of all ages, sexes, and locations argue with a vitriol usually reserved for real life.</p>
<p>My second thought - hey, you can love or hate Jack Kirby, John Romita, John Byrne, Dave Cockrum, etc. That's gotta be your call. But as a fan of comic books, I dislike the thought of details being redrawn if it's not going to be credited. If my book says "Drawn by Jack Kirby", I want it Drawn by Jack Kirby. If somebody else was doing something on that art, it should be credited in the book.</p>
<p>Of course, DC's corporate attitude doesn't make an honesty a priority...</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth noting, Yo Go, that Kirby played a huge part in more than just the comics of the &#039;60s, and that Superman definitely wasn&#039;t created &quot;well before Kirby picked up a pencil.&quot; 

He co-created Captain America in the &#039;40s, after all, and pumped out any number of fantastic monster, adventure and war comics in that decade and the next.

Having said that, I don&#039;t think that should put him beyond editorial edict either, and it sounds like redrawing was quite common at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's worth noting, Yo Go, that Kirby played a huge part in more than just the comics of the '60s, and that Superman definitely wasn't created "well before Kirby picked up a pencil." </p>
<p>He co-created Captain America in the '40s, after all, and pumped out any number of fantastic monster, adventure and war comics in that decade and the next.</p>
<p>Having said that, I don't think that should put him beyond editorial edict either, and it sounds like redrawing was quite common at the time.</p>
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