It didn’t help that the open shirts and ugly medallions he wore made him look like a skeevy cheeseball.

She’s an adult who has the life experience of say saving the universe.

I’m just curious.

I would leave Wolverine/Viper off the list because no one really acknowledged the marriage- it was just a legal move Viper blackmailed him into. plus, as I recall, the next time they met he forced her to annul it.

“Why is Johnny Storm too young to get married? People get married in their teens all the time.”

As I pointed out already, Johnny wasn’t in his teens when he married Alicia. He was already out of high school when Franklin was born, and Franklin was five or six years old when Johnny got married, so Johnny has to be in his early-to-mid twenties when that wedding takes place.

Omar: I agree with most of your points, but come to a different conclusion. Go figure. Storm is indeed a very bland character – she could be one of the most interesting, if given the chance. If nothing else, the marriage has taken her from being someone to fill X-Book group shots with and put her front and center for creators to use and fans to pay attention to. That, in itself, is good. Now it falls to the writers to take advantage of that sudden boost in popularity, to make something good from here on out. If they squander it, that won’t make the marriage a “bad” one, just disappointing…

1) They’re too damn similar in temperament, both of them basically omnicompetent Noble Royalty types, albeit perhaps by different routes. (T’Challa is a Kirby idealized supertype at root and Ororo a Claremontian superwoman.) More critically, under Hudlin, both of them have the central problem of being idealized characters with no interesting flaws or character faults.

2) The current writers, like a lot of people in America, frankly, seem to be of the tacit opinion that there’s this big, uniform place called “Africa” where the indigenous people share a continent-wide culture. Sure, Storm’s from a small village in Kenya by way of Westchester and T’Challa’s part of an isolationist super-culture in central Africa, but those places are all the same anyway to the writers. In fairness, this is in no small part a problem inherited from the Claremont story upon which Marvel based all of this stuff.

3) For all the talk of a “payoff,” there really doesn’t seem to be much to..well…pay off. The wedding is the payoff. Quite what brilliant tale is supposed to proceed from two characters, one of them a fairly bland one (Storm) sharing a happy, simpatico marriage remains quite unclear to me. You can have them tour the world looking cool together for awhile (as is being done now), and you can have villains attack them, but there’s just not much of interest coming from within the marriage itself. And the main reason for that is that the ideal marriage they’ve been written into is the END of a story, not the setup for one.

I’m not against their marraige, but it seems out of the blue. I liked what I read in Fantastic Four.

Firstly, as you said, it was a fast and nasty wedding with no seeming connection between the two except they’re both black and one obscure panel from way back when. But Marvel decided to retcon a history for them, so great, as far as that goes I’m fine with the marriage, even though it was a cheap grab for readers (nothing wrong with that) which kinda backfired because nobody seemed to really care about it, despite the dubious civil war tie-in.

Now, maybe my knowledge of both characters is a little limited, in fact I could care less about them really, but as far a I can tell the marriage has not added to either character in any significant way except to create a new status quo for them that in my mind makes Storm (who was, to me at least, a more recognizable character than Black Panther) a far less interesting character by subjugating her to the role of Black Panther’s wife (although admittedly that may be my own misogynistic beliefs biasing my reading of the story, who knows?)

But that’s just my belief and as you say it’s probably to soon to tell whether we’ll get some good stories out of it. And while all I have really read is McDuffie’s FF(which I’m quite enjoying in fact), but which might not make me the best one to judge, it just feels so contrived, to me at least that I reserve my belief that it was a bad decision until proven otherwise. So if that makes me hip, well then, so be it.

Sure, the Clark/Lois/Supes “love triangle” worked, ages ago, but these days the idea of it is just dumb. It was a great plot contrivance, when you had to publish a story every month about Lois tricking Superman into marrying her, but now that she actually acts like an adult? Doesn’t hold up.

Having read back issues, it wasn’t Spider-Man MJ loved, but specifically Peter Parker. On the other hand, Felicia Hardy loved Spider-Man, but couldn’t stand Pete. So yeah, that marriage makes sense, too – unless you’re Joe Quesada, apparently.

Ray Palmer and Jean Loring actually had a pretty good marriage – the problems came from the parts where they weren’t together. Their dating years were TERRIBLE, and we all know what happened when they separated.

Is there any reason to nominate Ororo and T’Challa, other than it being hip to hate it? We’ve barely seen any payoff from it yet, and what we HAVE seen has been good. Was the story rushed? Yes, very. And? That doesn’t make the idea bad by itself.

That said, I second (third?) the idea of Cyclops/Maddie Pryor at least getting an honorable mention.

How about the old Legion of Superheroes, where Colossal Boy married the Durlan who’d helped kidnap and impersonate Shrinking Violet for the better part of what, a year?

Funny how much that sounds like Johnny and Alicia/Lyja…

Supergirl-Salkor is conspicuously missing here!

Superman works best as an unresolved love triangle between Supes, Clark Kent and Lois Lane.

Spider-man 3 got me thinking why the Peter/MJ marriage doesn’t work. She’s not really in love with Peter. She loves Spider-man.

I’m surprised the Pyms haven’t been mentioned. But then again their dysfunction ahs been kind of entertaining.