CSBG Archive
Snark Free Corner for 6/11
Welcome to the latest installment of your breath of snark free air!
Enjoy!
COOL COMIC THING
Okay, everyone pretty much knows that John Byrne’s run on the Fantastic Four as the writer and artist of the book was pretty much awesome on toast, right?
With that being a given, I want to highlight today some of the cool comic things that Byrne did on his run (just fairly minor, albeit awesome, stuff – not stuff that really impacted the plots of the comic)
First off, he did two neat cover homages during his run.
First to the first issue of the Fantastic Four (something that Byrne has now done many times on different titles)…

Then a funny homage to the cover of Action Comics #1…

Speaking of homages, check out this neat panel from an issue where Spider-Man guest-starred…

Pretty darn clever, huh?
Speaking of clever, how about the sideways issue of the Fantastic Four?

Another nice touch by Byrne was this awesome double-page spread from the classic Fantastic Four #247, showing a wartorn Latveria (click on the image to enlarge)…
About a year later, Byrne basically gives the fan an update on Latveria, artistically (click on the image to enlarge)…
Ain’t that sumthin’?
Byrne’s Fantastic Four had a contest where people could send in new hairstyles for Sue, and the top two would have their style drawn BY Byrne! How cool is that?!?
Here are the two winners…

Byrne, like a lot of the other notable Marvel writers of the time, went out of his way to promote one of Marvel’s more underrated series, Louise Simonson’s Power Pack.
Check out the prominent guest spot Byrne gives to the Pack (click to enlarge the image)…
And doesn’t he do a really nice job of drawing them like actual children?
John Byrne’s Fantastic Four – filled with cool comic things!
COVER THEME GAME
As always, here is the game. I show three covers. They all have something in common, whether it be a character, a trait all three characters share, locale, creator, SOMEthing. And it isn’t something obvious like “They all have prices!” “They all have logos!” “They all feature a man!” etc.
In addition, please note that you must have some familiarity with comic book history to correctly guess these comics. You cannot guess the connective theme just by looking at the covers solely, you must have some knowledge beyond just the covers.
Good luck! A cool point to the first person to figure it out!
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2.

3.

SNARK FREE CHALLENGE
Here is another example of the coolness of John Byrne’s Fantastic Four run.
Name all the famous comic strip characters Byrne drew into this Fantastic Four panel (click on the image to enlarge)…
THE COVER GAME
This week’s game is as follows…
Name me a cover of the first volume (the one with 416 issues) of the Fantastic Four that featured only Sue on the cover without any of the other three original members of the team (and remember, only one cover per commenter) like the following cover (and NOT COUNTING the following cover) that just features Sue.
The corner roster shots don’t count as being part of the cover, but floating heads on the cover do!

Good luck!
SNARK FREE THEME TIME
Send in the (non-Spider-Man-related) Clones!
1. In the Man of Steel mini-series, we meet a failed clone of Superman called Bizarro.
2. Later on, another failed clone of Superman becomes an important character, Superboy!
3. The Eradicator’s body at one point was basically a clone of Superman, right?
4. During Infinity War, the Magus created clones of pretty much EVERY hero out there. Matt Murdock even used one of them to fake his own death!
5. Before he was killed recently, the Red Skull was living in a cloned body of none other than Captain America himself!
6. After his original body was ruined, Professor X had his mind transferred to a cloned body.
7. The same treatment Professor X had was given to Jack Knight.
8. Guy Gardner has a clone running around, going by the name Joe.
9. While they did not call it as much, Mr. Fantastic, Iron Man and Yellowjacket basically created a clone of Thor during Civil War.
10. The Manhunter from Archie Goodwin and Walt Simonson’s classic serial fought bad guys who were clones of him (thanks to Mr. Simonson for correcting my silly mistake)!
I miss any?
Let me know!
Well, that’s it for this installment of Snark Free Corner.
Hope you had fun!










57 Comments
Ion
June 12, 2007 at 4:18 am
You missed Maddie Pryor, Jean Grey clone and Stryfe, Cable clone.
Most of the original Marauders were cloned multiple times.
Match was a clone of Superboy.
Inertia is a clone of Bart Allen.
Cyborg is technically in a clone body, Nightwing got him a new body back in the Titans run.
X23 is an altered clone of Wolverine.
Galatea on the Justice League cartoon was a clone of Supergirl.
Lex Luthor is in a cancer free cloned body, right?
Anonymous
June 12, 2007 at 4:37 am
Joseph, clone of Magneto.
Robot clone of Rex Plode (in Invincible).
Matthew
June 12, 2007 at 4:38 am
Namorita is (was) a clone of Namora.
Judge Dredd’s a clone!
Philip Trostler
June 12, 2007 at 4:50 am
Cover with only Sue – Fantastic Four 332
Anonymous
June 12, 2007 at 5:11 am
The Stepford Cuckoos are clones of Emma Frost.
Rico is also a clone of Judge Fargo.
Michael
June 12, 2007 at 5:15 am
FF 364 has Sue vs. Malice. So even though there’s two characters, she’s the only one on the cover!
And Guardian was in a cloned body at some point during the Kesel Superboy run, I’m sure.
Rob M
June 12, 2007 at 5:41 am
Cover game: FF#195 http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=32328&zoom=4
has Sue with Namor.
Dan K
June 12, 2007 at 6:06 am
Cover game: FF#384 as malice
Those anonymouses were me by the by.
Rebis
June 12, 2007 at 6:23 am
While a number of the things you mention about Byrne’s run are sharp, smart and even inventive touches, I disagree about the cover homages. While we recognize those poses from the first appearances of Superman, FF and Spider-Man immediately, mopping them for a cover homage (or an interior panel homage) is not clever. (Much less “pretty darn clever”!)
Ian
June 12, 2007 at 6:30 am
Wasn’t Marvel’s Guardian a clone at one point too? As well as the rest of Alpha Flight?
Rob M
June 12, 2007 at 6:37 am
Obscure clone: Grok, from the Don McGregor run of War of the Worlds (Killraven), was a botched clone of Carmilla Frost’s father.
Levantine
June 12, 2007 at 6:45 am
Say, didn’t someone clone Jango Fett at one point?
James
June 12, 2007 at 6:48 am
Byrne’s comic strip characters – there’s Dennis the Menace’s father, Walt from Gasoline Alley, and Dick Tracy (sans fedora!).
Ryan Day
June 12, 2007 at 6:48 am
Byrne also homaged FF #1 with the fourth issue of Danger Unlimited.
I’m impressed you managed to write so much about Byrne while remaining Snark Free. Bravo. (Though admittedly, much of the snark should rightly be targeted to his later career…)
Matthew Lazorwitz
June 12, 2007 at 6:50 am
Thailog, the clone of Goliath, appeared in the recent issue of Slave Labor’s Gargoyles series.
James
June 12, 2007 at 6:50 am
Cover homage – rhyming names. Rhane, Cain, and Dane. Nice one.
sean
June 12, 2007 at 7:14 am
It was 416, not 402.
396 has just Sue.
I thought that 369 (the Infinity War one) did, but The Thing is on there too.
James
June 12, 2007 at 7:14 am
Over on the left of the Byrne panel, it appears that we have Leroy and Loretta Lockhorn and Blondie Bumstead. I’m blanking on the name of the balding red haired fellow. He’s from an old strip yes? (I’m much better at this than all that clone nonsence)
Pedro Bouça
June 12, 2007 at 7:54 am
Balding Guy looks like Jiggs from Bringing Up Father.
I’m drawing a blank in the others, my local newspapers were light in comic strips…
Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)
Pedro Bouça
June 12, 2007 at 7:57 am
Oh, and the couple entering the room are obviously Hi & Lois!
Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)
Anonymous
June 12, 2007 at 8:00 am
Rahne, Dane, and Cain, in addition to all rhyming, were also all members of Excalibur.
Rob M
June 12, 2007 at 8:02 am
Re: Reed and Sue’s party: Sue, wearing a wig, is greeting Hi and Lois Flagstone (using their aliases, Hyram and Lois Fieldstone) at the door. The Lockhorns and Blondie have already been mentioned, and Dagwood is just below Blondie. The white-haired guy is Skeezix of Gasoline Alley, and the redhead is Jiggs, of Maggie and Jiggs. Not sure about the mustached fellow in front, but it might be Dagwood’s neighbor Herb. In the lower right corner, it’s Dennis the Menace’s father. On the couch, I don’t know who the yellow sweaters are, but the blue suit on the right is Dick Tracy (based on the nose).
I think Byrne’s inside joke here was that Reed and Sue were moving to a suburb in Connecticut, and Byrne picked Greenwich, the location of the (then) International Museum of Cartoon Art. The Museum was (is) a pet project of Mort Walker, hence the prominence Byrne gives to Walker’s characters (Hi and Lois). Later, the Museum moved to Boca Raton, FL, and recently announced that it will move to NYC and will be renamed the National Cartoon Museum (although an announced plan to locate inside the Empire State Building has evidently fallen through). http://www.cartoon.org/
Dan Bailey
June 12, 2007 at 8:12 am
The yellow-sweater-wearing male is Joe Palooka, no?
Pedro Bouça
June 12, 2007 at 8:13 am
Cover game – Fantastic Four #363:
http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=97248&zoom=4
Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)
Walter Simonson
June 12, 2007 at 8:24 am
>10. The Manhunter from Archie Goodwin and Walt Simonson’s classic serial was a clone, too!
Actually, the hero of the strip was the real deal. It was the assassins created by the Council that were all clones of the original.
Best/Walter Simonson
yo go re
June 12, 2007 at 8:33 am
yeah, that is Herb – and the yellow sweaters are Joe and Ann Palooka…
Omar Karindu
June 12, 2007 at 8:53 am
>10. The Manhunter from Archie Goodwin and Walt Simonson’s classic serial was a clone, too!
Actually, the hero of the strip was the real deal. It was the assassins created by the Council that were all clones of the original
And later Geoff Johns revived the Council and revealed they’d replaced the Manhunter clones with Sportsmaster clones.
How about Doctor Doom’s clone, who he tried to give the powers of the Fantastic Four and use as his heir to the throne in FF v.1 #198-9?
James
June 12, 2007 at 8:55 am
Very obscure one – - Sunspot was briefly replaced by a clone (created by Mojo, if I remember correctly) in New Mutants Annual #2.
Matt
June 12, 2007 at 9:26 am
Wasn’t “Shift” from the Outsiders technically a clone of the original Metamorpho?
-M
Ben Herman
June 12, 2007 at 10:02 am
Fantastic Four #399, because that is NOT actually Reed Richards on the cover with Sue. It’s actually Reed’s evil other-dimensional counterpart, the Dark Raider. Yes, seriously! So I should think that it qualifies as a solo Sue cover, from a certain point of view, as Obi-Wan Kenobi might say
I know most people didn’t like the DeFalco/Ryan FF era, but I’m rather fond of it. And I *also* liked Byrne’s run on the title. I have very diverse tastes.
Pedro Bouça
June 12, 2007 at 10:22 am
And later Geoff Johns revived the Council and revealed they’d replaced the Manhunter clones with Sportsmaster clones.
———–
And THAT, my friends, is decadence.
And Walt Simonson is here, cool!
Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)
Kai Jansson
June 12, 2007 at 10:59 am
In Byrne’s comic-strip homage panel, the mustachioed fellow looks like Jeff, the short guy from MUTT AND JEFF.
MarkAndrew
June 12, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Wait. Really? They weren’t in Morrison’s run.
If so, that’s the dumbest thing ever.
Patrick
June 12, 2007 at 12:35 pm
There’s still a Gwen Stacy clone running around somewhere.
lauren
June 12, 2007 at 1:10 pm
The new Captain Comet is a clone of the original Captain Comet in the 8 issue Mystery in Space min that recently came out. Not to mention the bad guys were also Captian Comet clones and there is an implication, if not outright statement, that the current incarnation of the Wierd is also a clone.
Brian Cronin
June 12, 2007 at 1:44 pm
Duh!!!
What a dumb mistake that was. Thanks, Walter.
acespot
June 12, 2007 at 1:50 pm
The (DCU) Guardian has been cloned multiple times.
The Manhunter who got killed by Eclipso was a clone.
The Cuckoos were revealed to be (along with thousands of other) clones of Emma Fronst in Phoenix Warsong – one of the stupidest X books in the past year.
Donna Troy is basically a clone of Wonder Woman – at least in theory, if not in scientific “fact”.
Cyborg is, indeed, inhabiting a clone body. For a while, he didn’t even HAVE an actual body – see the end of Wolfman’s New Titans, and the beginning of Grayson’s Titans.
Dan K
June 12, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Cassandra Nova is sort of a clone of Xavier.
John Seavey
June 12, 2007 at 3:53 pm
I know you said “non-Spider-Man-related”, but I always thought it was really cool the way they dropped hints of Kaine’s real identity (a “failed” clone of Spidey who was more powerful, but disfigured) through his powers.
He had pre-cognitive visions (a souped-up version of Spidey’s spider-sense), he was stronger and faster, and the “Mark of Kaine” he left on his victims? Spider-Man’s adhesion power, ramped up and used on human flesh.
To be honest, so long as they didn’t try the “is he or isn’t he a clone” nonsense, I wouldn’t mind seeing both Ben Reilly and Kaine come back. It was hard to dislike those characters, even as the story got more and more frustrating.
acespot
June 12, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Vandal Savage has repeatedly cloned himself in order to harvest the clones for organs.
acespot
June 12, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Shift is NOT a clone of Metamorpho – he’s a piece of Metamorpho. Difference.
acespot
June 12, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Ra’s Al Ghul’s lackey Ubu. He’s been cloned sooooo many times that there are armies of him. Some have no intelligence.
Dan K
June 12, 2007 at 4:13 pm
The Mauler twins from Invincible. One of the more original clone scenarios because each if them argues that they’re the original.
Bill Reed
June 12, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Dennis the Menace’s father is a dead ringer for that one guy from Funky Winkerbean, a strip John Byrne, coincidentally, later drew for a bit.
Greg Geren
June 12, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Re: clones–
I think the Ra’s al Ghul who appeared in THE LEGION a few years ago was a clone.
A Manhunter clone was in the original SECRET SOCIETY OF SUPER-VILLAINS as well.
Baron Bedlam and Windfall were both cloned during the original run of THE OUTSIDERS.
I don’t think the INFINITY WAR duplicates were clones. They were altered extra-dimensional creatures if I remember my Starlin correctly.
Colossus 2000
June 12, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Close to the end of PAD’s run on Hulk, didn’t Hulk fight a clown of himself? The smart one who was hanging around with Janis? I don’t have my comics with me, but I’m pretty sure that was a clone…
Cover Challange: I own all those issues? Nah, too subtle…
preston
June 12, 2007 at 6:59 pm
cannonball, black knight and jugg were all villians when they debuted?
MarkAndrew
June 13, 2007 at 12:14 am
Aaaaaaggggh!
(I hate everything.)
yo go re
June 13, 2007 at 12:22 am
No, that was Avengers #1. Loki wanted to make him look bad, so Hulk was hiding out at a circus, where his shtick was juggling elephants. And he was dressed as a…
…oh, wait, you didn’t really mean “clown” at all, did you? Now I’m sad.
Brian Cronin
June 13, 2007 at 1:37 am
I’ll accept both Excalibur and the rhyming one for cool points!
Only the first one was intended, though. I am too honest to take credit for the cleverness of the second one.
DanCJ
June 13, 2007 at 2:37 am
Maybe it’s because I’m not American but I don’t recognise a single character in that panel
Mark_Lucas_TBP
June 13, 2007 at 9:12 am
The Guardian in the 90′s Superboy was always a clone of the original Jim Harper. The Newsboy Legion that was hanging out at Project Cadmus were clones of teh original Newsboy Legion who were, in fact, the top scientists at Cadmus.
Auron was an augmented Guardian clone that held the files with Superman’s DNA code on them.
Weren’t the Underworlders, Project Cadmus creatures (and Morlock wannabees) also clones?
Spider-Man’s eight limbed Infinity War clone hung around long enough to be a player in the Maximum Carnage storyline.
The whole SW6 batch of the Legion of Super Heroes (pre-Zero Hour) were not so much clones as duplicates split off in time by the Time-Trapper, who was really another version of Cosmic Boy.
Also, Duplicate Girl and Multiple Man’s powers involve making duplicates of themselves. Do they count?
What about the hudreds of Lobo clones that appeared in Our Worlds at War? They all killed each other except for the “new” Lobo and Slo-Bo, who hid from the fight.
And then, there’s Robin’s recent failed 98 attempts to clone Conner Kent.
Mullon
June 13, 2007 at 11:23 am
I’d add my vote to Multiple Man counting as clones.
And why does that FF #247 spread feel so familiar?
Kirayoshi
June 13, 2007 at 9:28 pm
Among clones, in UXM #167, Moira MacTaggart and Sikorsky cloned Professor Xavier and had his mind transplanted into the clone’s body(the original having been transformed into a Brood hunter)
Kirayoshi
June 13, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Sue Richards appeared solo on the cover of Fantastic Four, Vol. 2, Issue 2. Cover by Alan Davis.
Matt
June 14, 2007 at 12:21 pm
“Shift is NOT a clone of Metamorpho – he’s a piece of Metamorpho. Difference.”
This is true, but didn’t he originally believe himself to be Metamorpho?
It’s a bit of a stretch, but I think it couts, if only a little bit.
-M
Jared
June 18, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Don’t forget the clone of Mojo! Mojo 2: The Sequel!