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World War Hulk #1 Review

An interesting side effect of Civil War, it seems, is this growing sense for Marvel fans of “having to pick a side.” It appears to pervade the critical senses of many fans, as when they read a Marvel comic book now, their first reaction is usually about how “their side” is being portrayed. Fans who dislike Iron Man view the comic with that hatred, and fans who like Iron Man view the comic (if you’ll forgive the term) with “Iron Man tinted glasses”.

With that taken for granted, writer Greg Pak does an excellent job catering to both sides with this comic book, while still managing to write a strong opening act to the World War Hulk storyline.

While I enjoyed Pak’s writing on the issue, the real star to me was the artwork of John Romita Jr., Klaus Janson and colorist Christina Strain. They combined to bring a gravity to the book that would have been lost with a lesser artist.

Just look at this Hulk encounter with Black Bolt early in the book…

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The artwork and the coloring combine for a great dramatic effect. This type of effect occurs often throughout the book, giving a nice sense of dynamism to the proceedings.

Meanwhile, though, in a comic where there are a great many full page spreads, Romita comes through with forceful pieces that are saturated with characterization.

For instance, look at this full page spread (I’m only going to show samples that have already been previewed or don’t otherwise give away plot details – the book is four bucks, I figure you want don’t want to see most of it before you pay for it!)…

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Look at the Hulk’s face! What a great job by Romita.

By the way, there is a bit of a disconnect with Hulk fighting Black Bolt, if only because we are so accustomed to hearing Black Bolt’s powers described in such high esteem, it seems like a bit of a cheat that we don’t actually see HOW the Hulk manages to overcome Black Bolt’s scream. I know that the Hulk is at the strongest he has ever been – but Black Bolt has beaten him before with whispering, so even if the Hulk has gotten more powerful, presumably Black Bolt could counter that, no? – so I’d have like to have seen how the Hulk survived more than a whisper. Reminds me a bit of that DC/Marvel Lobo/Wolverine fight that took place off-panel.

As to the rest of the plot of the issue after the Black Bolt fight, Pak takes an interesting approach to the story design. He lays the first issue out as though it is basically a disaster film, say an Armageddon or a Deep Impact. Earth finds out the Hulk is coming, and people basically freak out.

And then when Hulk makes an announcement to New York, the reaction by the city is handled quite well by both Pak and Romita…

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Look at those reactions shots! Romita is a master with facial features.

The announcement in New York as a whole, though, is probably the weakest part of the comic, as it is fairly sloppy, in terms of exposition. Hulk proceeds to tell the world the plot of Planet Hulk, as well as actually naming each character he’s traveling with. I have to think that Pak could have found a better way of working every character’s name into the story. Heck, there is a recap in the beginning of the comic! It couldn’t have been placed there? Just odd, as it sticks out like a bit of a sore thumb.

Once Hulk announces his presence, the pace of the book quickens and the tension is thick. Alliances are made, plans are devised – it is very nice pacing on Pak’s part.

Tony Stark takes a central role in the latter half of the book, mostly, I suppose, because Hulk’s thoughts are pretty simple (“Smash”), and Pak does an excellent job of humanizing Tony for those anti-Iron Man fans out there, while still showing the tendencies Stark has that grate on fans.

Finally, we get the fight we all came to see – Iron Man versus the Hulk. It is brutal, it is exciting, it is drawn beautifully (I am not going to ruin anything by showing you those pages), and it is paced just as well. Usually, when full-page spreads are used, it seems to make the comic feel almost slighter, as though you’re getting less story as a result of so many full-page spreads, but Pak and Romita combine to make the fight seem a lot longer than it really is. Awhile back, when he was drawing The Incredible Hulk during Paul Jenkins’ run, Romita did an “all-fight” issue between the Hulk and the Abomination. That issue was tremendous, and Romita lives up to that issue with his Iron Man/Hulk battle here.

All of this leading to a dramatic cliffhanger that works as a nice lead-up to the rest of this crossover.

Good first issue.

Recommended.

52 Comments

No, I will not forgive the phrase “Iron Man-tinted glasses.”

Good review, though. I plan on getting Planet Hulk and this in hardcover, but I’m looking forward to it.

Hulk needs to crack Tony in half, then give one half to Thor to beat on for a while.

It seems to me that Black bolt got “Jobbed” because he is the least popular character in the Illuminati- despite him being the most powerful. WWH should have built up to the Black Bolt encounter- after beating him easily (off screen) no other marvel superhero should be a physical threat.

I wonder if Marvel is going to have Hulk “out-think” the Illuminati as well as “out-smash” them? I know we all want to see the Hulk punch and destroy things, but I believe it would make him even more lethal and dangerous if Dr. Banner used his brains to out-strategize a group that prides themselves on being the smartest folks on the planet.

Having the Hulk out-thinking Black Bolt would have provided an unexpected resolution to their battle. Perhaps the Hulk could have taken a deep breath, grabbed BB in a bear hug and leapt into the vaccuum of space, where no one could hear him scream. Black Bolt would run out of oxygen long before the Hulk did.

What would be a truly fitting end to Civil War would be for the Hulk to kill Tony Stark and have that armor essentially moonlight as his caskett. Then he’d be buried next to Captain America only to have members of the New Avengers dig up his grave just to spit on him.

Of course they’d have to probably wait in line.

Oh God, please. More crap that will “shatter the marvel world” until the editors decide that the status quo needs to be re-established. Just wait, its coming. Marvel really does put out way too much pap now days. Then again, it always has. Marvel has no Watchmen. Hell, Marvel doesnt even have a 300 for God’s sake. Why are we still reading this crap. Lets all unclench our spidey under-roos and try some adult fiction for a change. Just a thought.

I believe the Hulk had to get Black Bolt out of the way early to illustrate the stakes he’s playing at and just how powerful he’s really become. It sets precedent for the rest of the story. Anyway, the tpb can’t come out fast enough, b/c I don’t know if I can stand to wait as this series looks awesome.

Marvel has no Watchmen. Hell, Marvel doesnt even have a 300 for God’s sake. Why are we still reading this crap. Lets all unclench our spidey under-roos and try some adult fiction for a change. Just a thought.

I read lots of ‘adult fiction’, does that mean I can’t enjoy a decent superhero-romp too? Some fun pulp? You’re honestly trying to say Marvel has never put out anything fun or good?

Not everything has to be Watchmen to be enjoyable. To be honest, as good as Watchmen is, I would not still be reading comics if everything was Watchmen. What’s wrong with a good ‘Hulk Smash!’ story?

what happened with the quote?

I think that justice should be served to tony stark /ironman.I can’t wait to see him taken down by the hulk.However the hulk to kill him is not something that captian america whould have wanted.I hope when this is all over tony stark loses everything.

Michael: No, I will not forgive the phrase “Iron Man-tinted glasses.”

Yeah me neither. It’s getting pretty boring to keep thinking of Iron Man as a dick even though he ended up making the world and America a better place. He was right in the end lets not forget. You never hear crap about Reed Richards or Hank Pym being called heartless bastards or fascists.

That aside, I really enjoyed the review and the art does look fabulous. I think I might trade wait on this one as it would be nice for my wallet to actually have some spare cash in it after the previous two summer events.

This event COULD be the chance for Tony to prove to us all that he’s NOT a dick. Good luck to him – he’ll need it.

I enjoyed the “Worldbreaker” preview, and this looks like being a whole bunch of fun.

Bring.

It.

On.

i love the hulk and always have, even when they were doing all that crap to him in the mid to late 90′s. i went off marvel round that time but this has definetly brought me back. i cant wait to see iron man, reed richards and dr strange get absolutley smashed. i’ve never liked them at all. they always came across as arrogent, self rightious, intellectually pomopous super heroes who knew it all. they must be shitting their pants knowing that black bolt got sodomised by the hulk. i cant wait to see who teams up with the hulk, i believe that we’ll get some real surprises and some unexpected alliances. some of marvels biggest egoes are gonna get crushed, bring it on.

We typically want “good super-hero” romps for the same reason we want TV. Its pap. It is soft food for all of our soft minds. I mean, look at the bitching that has, and will happen becuase Hulk took care of business with Bolt off panel. lord forgive Pak’s trespass that he may have invoked the medium of comics to actually ask the reader to imagine part of the fight. Does everything have to be made explicit with us? Why cannot we use suggestion as the power of comics is nothing but suggestion and closure. Come on people.

All the Iron Man fans I know are pretty angry at how he’s been portrayed, actually.

Paged through it in the shop. Pass.

You guys, Tony is an arms dealer. He solves problems by using war. It’s how he rolls. I don’t know why people are shocked by this sudden change in character with CW.

While I like seeing The New Avengers “sticking it to the man,” I think a lot of us would be all for the Registration Act when faced with the reality of angsty teenagers that shoot plasma blasts or mind readers or greedy telekinetics.

Not sure if I agree with forcing them to go on field missions though.

Between Hulk and Thor, Tony is in for the beating of his life.

Umm, sorry, he hasn’t dealt arms (except to SHIELD) since the 70s, when he went through an epiphany about how he was making the world a worse place with that s**t. Even the stuff he was developing for the Pentagon when he was SoD were supposed to be non-injurious technologies. So get your facts straight: he’s been out of the international munitions biz for a while.

See? Here’s why we Shellhead fans get PO’ed.

Of course, we don’t help ourselves when guys like me say we wish the Hulk had blown up with the rest of his misbegotten subjects. Most Monotonous Character Ever.

Please, please let Hulk rip Tony into itty-bitty bits.

God forbid a national tragedy challenges your beliefs. :P

And sorry, dealing arms to one sole organization still makes you an arms dealer, no matter how non-lethal. They’re weapons.

But to be honest, I don’t think he’s been handled very well outside of Iron Man, Mighty Avengers or that Confession one-shot.

Acre said:

“Marvel really does put out way too much pap now days. Then again, it always has. Marvel has no Watchmen. Hell, Marvel doesnt even have a 300 for God’s sake. Why are we still reading this crap. Lets all unclench our spidey under-roos and try some adult fiction for a change. Just a thought.”

*TWEET* Sorry, but the referee has just blown the whistle and stopped your argument, citing that you want “adult fiction” but you insist that it has to involve comic books and super-heroes because that’s what you’ve been reading ever since you were a kid.

You want adult fiction? Go into a Barnes and Noble. There’s no shortage. There’s whole sections of it, as deep and insightful as you want. I read plenty. And when I want to goof off with something light after reading ‘The Closing of the Western Mind’ or ‘The Devil in the White City’ (which is, by the by, one of the best books you’ll ever read, an absolutely true gripping page-turner of a brilliant book)…I go read the Hulk. Because yes, I do expect the Hulk to be brainless fun. I’m sick and tired of all the arrested adolescents who want to have their cake and eat it too, want to keep reading the same kiddie comics they read when they were kids but have them grow up because the fans grew up.

In short, if you don’t want to read comics for kids, fine. But why does that mean Marvel shouldn’t be allowed to _publish_ comics for kids, just because it’s not what you personally want to read?

Anyone like how WWH#1 allowed for the full retcon of Civil War with one word balloon from Tony Stark?

Ah. “Full Pardon.” So, *that’s* how they’ll bring Spider-man and the rest of the new avengers back into the fold and forget the whole Civil War registration thing ever happened…

g23 – Full pardon, so long as they “turn themselves in at the end of this thing,” which presumably means registering.

So MORE likely is the unregistered heroes just saying, “Thanks, but no thanks, we still disagree with registration – later!”

Just because you win, doesn’t make you right.

Tony Stark is, always has been, and always will be a dick.
Even before this he was an irresponsible, philandering, drunken shmucktard whose carelessness got countless people maimed and killed, and got by solely because he had billions to throw at spin doctors and damage control.

Now, he’s imprisoned and/or killed hundreds of heroes. He set up SHIELD— the poster children for unaccountable government stooges— with a superhuman army of convicts and slaves. He unleashed a murderous clone of Thor on the planet. He caused billions in collateral damage trying to keep his greedy power-hungry grasp on things. He killed Captain America, for chrissakes, same as if he’d pulled the trigger himself.

Just precisely WHAT ELSE does he have to do to earn the title “utter prick?” Stomp some gerbils? kick a puppy? push a paraplegic in front of a bus?

Regardless of whether or not this series “reshapes the marvel universe” (and I have to admit I’m a bit tired of the constant reshaping), my single greatest hope is that the Hulk will hold true to his black/white, right/wrong viewpoint.

In my opinion, the single most dissappointing aspect of Civil War was the ambiguous morality issues surrounding each and every character.

I understand that there is a tendency to want to “grit up” comics and create some strange and tense marriage between the fantastic and reality, but personally, it does nothing for me.

It used to be that comics were the last bastion of heroism and selflessness in popular media (however constructed it might have been). With Civil War however, I think our heroes got killed several times before their deaths (to paraphrase the bard). Maybe it’s naive of me to always want that starry-eyed perspective I had as a kid, but dammit, that’s what I spend the money for. I can get confusion, moral ambiguity, and compromise every day. Just give me a hero who stands for something consistantly.

More than anything else, it’s the simplicity of the Hulk’s arguments that appeal to me. Sure, he’s huge, strong, brilliant and mad. But has a very simple, direct, and understandable cause.

Amen for that.

I feel like Kif Kroker here…*sigh*

Vanko said: Umm, sorry, he hasn’t dealt arms (except to SHIELD) since the 70s, when he went through an epiphany about how he was making the world a worse place with that s**t.

He returned to arms dealing in issue #1 of the current series, albeit with a much more sensible set of ideas as to just what it meant to do so. AT any rate, Egon’s larger point that Tony generally solves problems using violence is indisputably true. That’s what Marvel characters do, be they Hulk, Tony, or Captain America.

Which brings me to…

Paul C. said: Yeah me neither. It’s getting pretty boring to keep thinking of Iron Man as a dick even though he ended up making the world and America a better place.

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Egon said: I think a lot of us would be all for the Registration Act when faced with the reality of angsty teenagers that shoot plasma blasts or mind readers or greedy telekinetics.

I think a lot of us would be pretty damned suprised if real people gained superpowers and decided to play dress up and engage in cops-and-robbers silliness. Superhero universes and the people in them have never worked by realo logic, any more than Greek heroes in Greek myths do what real people do, or action movie cops do what actual cops would do.

These genre universes work only when we accept at bottom that we are sacrificing psychological realism to at least some extent, and usually totally dumping any but the most rudimentary physical and legal/political realism.

One of those is, yes, sorry folks, the acceptance that vigilantes can be competent (and the corollary, usually tacit, that “regular” police, etc. are incompetent). All Civil War #1 and #7 do is suspend that logic for two key plot moments. In between, of course, the genre rules have taken back over so that neither Captain America’s vigilante actions and Iron Man’s urban warfare cause civilian casualties.

Here’s a very simple test. Take the logic of Civil War’s winning side. Apply it in all seriousness to your favorite pre-Civil War comic book arc. Then see if the story, or any of the other stories, still work. It’s a cheap bit of quasi-deconstruction, and little else.

Sure, we’d want superhero registration in real life. (We’d also probably not want a superhero running it.) But in real life, Spider-Man would have broken some poor thug’s neck with a punch his first night out despite his being a nerdy teenager who avoided fights most of his life. Iron Man’s drunkenness should have killed someone on day one of its being a problem: consider a drunk driver who’s actually flying an indestructible metal shell at Mach 1 for a moment; he doesn’t even get to the train wreck in Iron Man #128 before a massive, destructive crash. Captain America, bereft of genre magic, would never have been fielded, or would have been killed within minutes on his first battlefield, Serum or no. All it takes, as we’ve recently seen, is a sniper in hiding, especially with those bright primary colors to aim at. None of it works if ou strip away the assumption of basic competence and the other “magic protections.”

Even Civil War has to do it only twice, and then with an insane degree of character selectivity. Based on the MU to date, apparently the New Warriors are the only thoroughly incompetent heroes on Earth outside outright humor pieces like Nextwave and Fight-Man, and even teh Warriors became instantly and catastrophically incompetent only on one really crappy day in Connecticut. Everyone else seems to have gotten by just fine with zero training for, oh, 40 years or so.

The Human Torch doesn’t accidentally start house fires when he flies despite being a goofy hothead, the Thing’s never slapped someone’s spine through his back by mistake despite being uncomfortable in his own mutated body (thanks, Warren Ellis, for the great image!), and Reed and Sue never screw up and suffocate the Mad Thinker while trying to restrain him despite the fact that he’s a one-time Army private who’s spent years as a test tube jockey and she’s a housewife with zero combat experience. Their stories don’t really work if you admit that as an ever-present possibility for them.

And they’d cease being entertainment without becoming art. They’d just be drearily stupid fables of adolescent pessimism. And as Grant Morrison pointed out in Flex Mentallo #4, “Only a bitter little adolescent boy could mistake pessimism for realism.” We might add that only self-important comics writers and fans can misunderstand the workings of genre so badly as to hail Civil War as a masterstroke. (Of course, Mark Millar seems to have made his career being the villain of Flex Mentallo’s miniseries.)

And when you realize that the genre’s going to end up steamrolling the plot-convenient moments of its suspension as of page 2, it becomes pretty hard to avoid realizing that Civil War and its aftermath are utterly pointless. No matter which side “wins” in the made-up America edited by Joe Quesada, Tom Brevoort, Axel Alonso, et al., I’ll bet you we’ll still see grand-scale super battles with loads of collateral damage. We may get a throwaway line here or there about SHIELD evacuations or something, but does anyone really think we’re going to stop seeing villains and heroes smashing through buildings and so on, that is, that we’ll see a reduction of scale or an abandonment of urban backdrops for the action scenes in Marvel superhero titles?

Of course we won’t. The changes are superficial in exactly the way that lets Iron Man fans and Hulk fans put on their team colors, shout at each other a lot, and then spend lots of money on the same issue of the same crossover because it’s the title fight with their guy and their hated rival in it. And no matter who wins or loses, no matter how mad they get, they’ll fork over for the rematch in a year or two. And no one at Marvel has to like “your guy” to get you to do it.

It’s brilliant marketing on Marvel’s part, in which the fans advertise their pet characters and stir up the rival camp of fans to do the same. Every time Iron Man or the Hulk loses a fight or gets called a name in the story, an Iron Man or Hulk fan on the Internet goes all huffy and helps Marvel sell the comic in which the guy lost, as well as the guy’s own comic, and the rival character’s comic, and the big rematch comic down the way…

RHJunior:Tony Stark is, always has been, and always will be a dick.
Even before this he was an irresponsible, philandering, drunken shmucktard whose carelessness got countless people maimed and killed, and got by solely because he had billions to throw at spin doctors and damage control.

Now, he’s imprisoned and/or killed hundreds of heroes. He set up SHIELD— the poster children for unaccountable government stooges— with a superhuman army of convicts and slaves. He unleashed a murderous clone of Thor on the planet. He caused billions in collateral damage trying to keep his greedy power-hungry grasp on things. He killed Captain America, for chrissakes, same as if he’d pulled the trigger himself.

I’m sorry, but some of the statements made in this post are ludicrous. When did he maimed countless people, as far as I know he nearly did that when drunk but he managed to stop or someone else stopped him.

Who are the hundreds of heroes he has killed? I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. Clearly you don’t read Iron Man, whereby it states that SHIELD is in a much better shape than before he became Director. Okay, the clone Thor was pretty inexcusable but I think that there are more character that have caused more collateral damage than him such as the Hulk on all his rampages.

Finally, and this is the one that gets me the most, Stark had little to do with Captain America’s death. It was Cap’s own fault that he was breaking the law and ultimately it was the Red Skull who masterminded the plan to kill Cap.

Well I can’t account for hundreds of hero’s but in response to

“When did he maimed countless people, as far as I know he nearly did that when drunk but he managed to stop or someone else stopped him.”

He, along with Reed, Black Bolt, and Dr Strange are responsible for the Deaths of over a Million people when they planted a nuclear bomb to kill the Hulk. This is clearly stated in issue one of “World War Hulk”. I don’t think Tony Stark count’s as a hero anymore he sounds more like Hitler.

He, along with Reed, Black Bolt, and Dr Strange are responsible for the Deaths of over a Million people when they planted a nuclear bomb to kill the Hulk. This is clearly stated in issue one of “World War Hulk”. I don’t think Tony Stark count’s as a hero anymore he sounds more like Hitler.

Remember, that’s just what Hulk THINKS they did. They certainly (I was going to qualify “certainly” with “almost,” but really, there is no “almost” about it, it is a certainty) did not actually plant a nuclear bomb to kill the Hulk.

An interesting side effect of Civil War, it seems, is this growing sense for Marvel fans of “having to pick a side.” It appears to pervade the critical senses of many fans, as when they read a Marvel comic book now, their first reaction is usually about how “their side” is being portrayed. Fans who dislike Iron Man view the comic with that hatred, and fans who like Iron Man view the comic (if you’ll forgive the term) with “Iron Man tinted glasses”.

Well, that’s proved tough to argue with.

Geez. This looks cool. If this wasn’t part one of an eleventy-gajillion part crossover, I’d buy it in a heartbeat.

Mark my words, at some point during the series, it will turn out to be one of the Warbound’s fault that the ship exploded.

I think the biggest problem I had with this was Spider-Man saying that Sentry and Black Bolt are the two most powerful guys in the galaxy, since Silver Surfer was just back around in FF…but for the most part, awesome stuff, I don’t really have a problem with Hulk/Black Bolt being offscreen since it needed to be that way to set up the shock value of Hulk holding up Bolt’s broken body…

Mark my words, at some point during the series, it will turn out to be one of the Warbound’s fault that the ship exploded.

I’ve got to agree they pretty much telegraphed that if you read Planet Hulk. Meik and Brood are pissed that Hulk is peaceful now, because they still want revenge, then they discover his ship…seems pretty obvious to me.

“Remember, that’s just what Hulk THINKS they did. They certainly did not actually plant a nuclear bomb to kill the Hulk.”

That was what I went into this issue thinking, but doesn’t it seem weird that nobody took the time to deny it? I know if somebody came out publicly and said “You are responsible for the deaths of millions of people, including my wife, because of that bomb you set up,” I’d say, “What bomb?” not “Okay, let’s evacuate the City, because we all knew this was gonna come up sooner or later.”

Playing devil’s advocate, the bomb does seem like the only logical way to deal with Namor’s very-obvious objection, “Don’t send him into space, because he will come back angry and kill you.” Uber-futurists like Richards and Stark have been portrayed lately wouldn’t just put Hulk somewhere far away, they’d *have* to (try to) kill him.

Hulk and Black Bolt battle off panel?! WTF. The writers have forgotten what made Planet hulk so sucessful last year. Well, let me remind them. Hulk smash!!!!!

What shock value? Anyone here thought the Hulk was goin to lose. The shock would only be to the Illumati, so there was no need for an off panel battle. This is what happens when writers and artist try to get too cute.

Brian Cronin: the problem with this argument is that you’re mixing real-world logic with comic-book logic.

You might be able to argue for registration on real-world logical grounds (if there really were people who could destroy cities with a whisper, control magnetic forces, or read minds, we’d want to know who they were and what they could do). But you can’t then switch back into comic-book logic and say that Reed and Tony can’t really have killed millions of innocent people on Planet Hulk, because they’re heroes and heroes don’t do things like that. In the real world, many of the most horrid atrocities have been committed by people who were absolutely certain that what they were doing was the right thing.

I would also add that there’s a big difference between registration per se and registration as implemented in Civil War. There’s certainly good justification for not permitting unrestrained, anonymous vigilantism. And you could also make a case for requiring anyone with superhuman powers to disclose the the government the nature and scope of these powers, though here you’ve got some civil liberties concerns with the right to privacy, as well as questions about whether the government in the Marvel Universe (which has, on several occasions, been taken over by evil forces and/or engaged in genocidal conduct against the mutant population) can be trusted with this information.

But, as actually implemented, registration was far more indefensible than this. Apparently, registration requires anyone with superhuman powers not only to register, but also to do whatever Tony Stark says, on penalty of being imprisoned in the Negative Zone without trial. There may be some justification for registering superhumans; there is no justification for enslaving them to the whims of an eccentric billionaire with political connections. This makes the pro-registration side nearly impossible to sympathise with.

I pretty well agree with everything Omar Karindu said.

I think also that the fact that Iron Man No. 20 handles that loose end. When I say handles, I really mean “handles,” because the general tone of the writing feels rushed here, especially considering how Hulk’s return tramped big green bare feet all over the re-emergence of The Mandarin (itself seeming forced for the 2008 release of the movie). Stark’s been preparing for Hulk’s return since he discovered Hulk never made it to where he was supposed to go. Since the decision was made without Banner’s input, we can only assume, in Hulk’s words “I’ve come to smash.”

I also think the off-screen battle with Bolt works, because, let’s face it, actual witnesses to Bolt’s full power are pretty scarce (Of course, there’s that whole part where Galactus is scared of him).

In all, the whole set-up requires some pretty serious suspension of disbelief. Yeah, the line they have to walk is pretty thin. I come down on the side of registration, not really logically, but more sentimentally (I’m a big Iron Man fan), but I’m not militant about it, and I think having the two-sided coin of secret superheroes vs. public superheroes could be a workable and entertaining dynamic. If nothing else, all the back-and-forthing reminds me of the scene from “Top Ten” where the superhero mice are battling the superhero cats and the exterminator is trying to explain the plotline to someone who doesn’t know what’s going on.

Hulk was put on a planet unbeknown to Reed and Tony, a planet that could very well have sentient life on it, and their answer is to explode a nuke on this unknown planet, when the whole purpose of sending the Hulk away was to spare life?

That makes no sense.

No matter what you think of Reed and Tony, there is no way that a Marvel writer is going to have that be the case.

Really, the ONLY thing that is keeping it from being Miek or the Brood or Morg is the simple fact that it is SOO obvious, you figure they wouldn’t do something THAT obvious.

But since it works so well, plot-wise (it gives them an ending that doesn’t make Hulk or the Illuminati appear THAT evil), then that is most likely going to be what happens.

The illuminati believed they were sending the Hulk to a nice, peaceful planet until the ship went off course. The ship blowing up was presented as an accident, which The Hulk percieved as deliberate design by the Illuminati.

As some have speculated, it may turn out to be sabotage by some of the Warbound, but it has never been implied by the writers (in any meaningful way) that the Illuminati meant to blow up the Hulk. If that DOES arise – that the Illuminati DID intend for the ship to blow up – it would be news to the reader and go aganist the way the “shoot Hulk into space” plan was originally presented.

Only the Hulk and his loyal followers hold the Illuminati responsible for the explosion at this stage of the game.

Dear Sir:

I Think Hulk should battle Juggernaut in a long good fight. The fight he had with Hulk was too quick and cheesy.

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Marvel has no Watchmen. Hell, Marvel doesnt even have a 300 for God’s sake. Why are we still reading this crap. Lets all unclench our spidey under-roos and try some adult fiction for a change. Just a thought.

Well then if you feel this way, why are you in a forum about World War Hulk

so the heroes were looked up to.but the bitches blasted him off in to space cause he was being an ass.and had his revenge at least 90%.but then dr. strange took a potion so he kicks ass.

WORLD WAR HULK IS AWSOME

Just a couple of thoughts…

1. We have to stop taking the words of every character as gospel. It might be Spidey’s opinion that Blackbolt is one of the two strongest guys in the galaxy, but would his character actually be qualified to make that assessment?

2. For those that lament the loss of super-heroics in Marvel comics, i disagree. I view Tony Stark as more of a hero now than ever. I despise him for the things that hes done and for his arrogance, but its become blatantly obvious that regardless of his personal failings he is willing to sacrifice himself and all of those he loves if he believes it to be in the best interest of the majority. You can make arguments for or against him, but you have to admire his courage and his willingness to act on his beliefs.

3. Quote: “Marvel has no Watchmen. Hell, Marvel doesnt even have a 300 for God’s sake. Why are we still reading this crap. Lets all unclench our spidey under-roos and try some adult fiction for a change. Just a thought.”

Im so sick of that pompous attitude. Why is it that when we dislike something, we feel the need to make it somehow inferior to the things that we admire? For you supposed literary elitists out there, its time to get over yourselves. Personally, ive read the Watchmen, and I enjoyed it. And ive also read a truckload of other books (actual books!), including some ‘classics’ that critically dwarf the Watchmen. ‘Waiting for Godot’, ‘The Old Man and the Sea’, ‘Animal Farm’, ‘Wuthering Heights’, etc etc. And honestly, I thought a lot of them sucked. Does that imply that they were poorly written or that their underlying themes werent important? Nope. It means that I personally thought that they sucked….that at the end of the reading experience they failed to manifest the qualities in literature that entertain me. And at the end of the day, regardless of any critics posturing and grandstanding, the only valid measure for each of us as to the quality of a work of fiction is how much we personally enjoyed it. If you want to, im sure you can continue to lock yourself in your ivory tower and hurl out insults about our soft minds, while continually praising the brilliance of your preferred literature. But regardless of what your opinion might be, the fact is that what you read has no bearing on (nor does it by necessity reflect) your intelligence….reading critically acclaimed books or watching critically acclaimed movies does not make you ‘better’. In fact, it seems to me that coming to a WWH site and posting an anti-marvel tirade seems a little idiotic.

4. For those who dislike the maturation of comic books in recent years, take a good look at these forums. There seem to be few, if any children posting here. I dont think its wrong for Marvel to gear comics towards young adults….we have showed loyalty for years, afterall. Although honestly, I see no evidence that Marvel has tried to do this at all. Marvels comics always had a degree of complexity and maturity, at least some of them. Does anyone remember Harry Osborn being a drug addict? If you take realism and maturity out of comics altogether, what are you left with? Power Rangers? Pokemon? Those mediums might remain popular for a time, but eventually their popularity dwindles as their audience matures. As young fans mature, they are going to grow out of ‘Spiderman Adventures’ and want to follow the more ‘real’ stories of ‘Amazing Spiderman’, if only because their older siblings/relatives are reading them. I resent the idea that enjoying comic books and expecting them to be portrayed somewhat realistically means possessing a delayed adolesence. I prefer the superhero medium and the stories it permits to many forms of fiction, and thats a matter of preference not maturity. More to the point, we demand that certain rules of logic be followed in all works of fiction. How many times have critics blasted a movie or book for failing to abide by the rules that its universe sets in place, regardless of that movie involving aliens/ghosts/demons or fictional secret agents? I stopped reading Marvel comics in the 90′s because of their blatant disregard for their own continuity on numerous occasions, and the general lack of consequences for anything that occurred. And Civil War brought me back.

5. For those that think that Civil War wasnt a drastic departure from the status quo, I have to disagree. Prior to Civil War, Marvel failed to really give their characters political or ideological viewpoints (in most cases). It may have been hinted at, but it was never explored fully. With Civil War, our heroes finally came to life. Not to mention it ushered in the first major change to happen in the life of Spiderman since Harry Osborn’s death (with his unmasking). In fact, the status quo has been turned on its head. Captain America is dead. Spidey’s aunt is probably going to die, and he has been unmasked to the world. Old friendships have been destroyed, and we will never look at IronMan, Dr. Strange, Professor X or the others the same way again. Sure, heroes and villains will still slug it out in massive battles that level cities. But the heroes roles in those battles, as well as their lives outside of them, have changed forever (at least I hope so). Marvel is ultimately a business, and as such, their primary motivation is profit. Profit for Marvel means making comics that we, the readers want to read. If there was no demand for ‘world altering events’ like WWH, than they simply wouldnt exist.

And thats that. This tirade wasnt really based on anything on these pages….its just a vent about a few attitudes that have been bothering me lately about peoples attitudes towards comic books and the superhero medium, and general pessimism. Make mine Marvel!

So far I am enjoying WWH. But first point Tony Stark is a uber dick. He took away She Hulks powers just because she got into a tussle with him. Second point Tony Stark is a pompus ass but he thinks he was right. As for the hulks planet getting blown to hell. dont think they would have done destroyed the ship mybe but not much more then that. Remeber banners is a genius. So get rid of the ship our he could fix it. Third point Pardons for helping if you turn yourself in whens its over. Thats just wrong. Being a good person and helping is the right thing to do even in comics.
Hope the Hulk gives Stark what hes needed for a long time and thats just a good thourgh ass whoopin.

A long time marvel reader

August 18, 2007 at 10:08 am

I’m sick of vilification of Tony Stark/Iron Man. I’m sick of the Hulk. The Hulk should die and stay dead.

i think that the world war hulks are awesome the action is intense and hulk just kicks ass but i think sentry is being a douchebag he wont go even fight which i think will be the best world war hulk if sentry fought hulk.

to shawn:
“For those that lament the loss of super-heroics in Marvel comics, i disagree. I view Tony Stark as more of a hero now than ever. I despise him for the things that hes done and for his arrogance, but its become blatantly obvious that regardless of his personal failings he is willing to sacrifice himself and all of those he loves if he believes it to be in the best interest of the majority. You can make arguments for or against him, but you have to admire his courage and his willingness to act on his beliefs.”

Sorta like heroics in a terrorist sorta way right? Just because you believe that you are doing the right thing, you shouldn’t use any means nessecary. Thats what separates a hero from ordinary people. Thats why we root for them. They do what we can’t. Classic example. When Capt. America he realized that he was endangering the very people he was fighting to protect. He stopped and turned himself in even though he knew he didn’t have to probably realizing that he might be striped of his rank and status, and possibly sent to jail. You will be missed. At least for a year or two then your clone comes into town, and everyone realizes that thats the real Capt.

Then you look at Stark and the mentality of Your either with me or against me. (Kind of reminds me of a currrent president.) Sign up or get thrown in jail without trial even though most of you have saved the world ten times over. But thats not important. What? You have family thats not superhuman and could possibly get harmed if your enemies know who you are? Tough cookies for them. Maybe we can setup a SuperWitness Protection Program. But then again, city reconstruction costs are pretty high on the budget list imo…

They really pissed him off this time, all they had to do was to leave him alone, Now they will all pay.

just read 1-5.. Hulk had the ability to reason but for some reason wasn’t prepared to give anyone (Reed, Stark & Co.) two seconds to explain that they weren’t responsible for blowing up his newly adopted planet.

it was like an episode of Are You Being Served, all misunderstandings and foolishness leading to shenanigans.

i HATED this book.

don’t ever make me read it again.

One thing that Marvel comics had over DC was how intelligence was held in such high esteem. The DC universe had Batman, but his intelligence is purely deductive….then guys like Ray Palmer or Barry Allen. Highly intelligent, but no where near the uber genius’s that Marvel would put out there. Reed Richards, Henry Pym, Bruce Banner, Tony Stark. This was the central intelligence agency.

Now Marvel puts out this World War Hulk crap…and essentially tells us that might makes right, and that these eggheads have no right to make any decisions for anyone. That a big green fist is far more fair and correct than guys with 200 level IQ’s trying to reason things out. Richards comes across as a simpering wuss. Dr. Strange as a complete and total arrogant ass. Bruce Banner doesnt even seem to exist anymore……the Hulk is all that matters. Worst of all is how Tony Stark has moved from boy genius to neo nazi.

This entire storyline sucked. There is no other way to put it. It gave the wrong message, and forced established, good characters to become total trash, simply to justify the Hulk beating the crap out of them. Pretty amazing to me that someone like Richards, who has defeated Galactus simply with the force of his mind, could not come up with anything more impressive as a weapon to fight The Hulk with than a camouflage device. Geez Reed…just send him to the Negative Zone or something.

Nope…this book is all about the neanderthal being superior to the intelligent human.

Horribly horribly disappointing.

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