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6/17 – Declarative Rabbit Says…

Dwayne McDuffie is a good choice to follow Meltzer on Justice League of America.

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Don’t really dig McDuffie as a writer, tries too hard to be clever and cute with the dialogue and engages in way too much fanservice for my tastes. But as a fanservice writer, he is much better than Meltzer, who I just get kind of embarassed for when reading.

Has the same person ever written Justice League and Fantastic Four at the same time before?

I’ll pay a dollar extra if one month he gives Batman and Black Panther the same dialogue for an issue…

Crappy McCrapperson would be a good choice to follow Meltzer’s dross.

Tom Fitzpatrick

June 17, 2007 at 7:28 am

I’ve never read McDuffie, and since I haven’t read JLA since Morrison left the book and the JLA/Avengers x-over: I really don’t care who does what.

I agree with Ian. My first thought was that it seems rare (if not unheard of?) for a writer to be working on a big team book simultaneously, one for each of the Big Two. I wonder now (presuming fan reception to McDuffie’s JLA goes well) if Marvel and DC will be competing to offer him the better exclusive contract, just to stick it to the other guy.

Ian Astheimer

June 17, 2007 at 8:54 am

Now if they could just get a new art team…

Dwayne McDuffie is a GREAT choice for JLA. I am stoked!

Great news. I’m finding Meltzer’s JLA somewhat pedestrian and workmanlike, while McDuffie is doing a cracking job on the FF. If they can just ditch the hideous Michael Turner covers as well, then JLA will be a book to anticipate, for pretty much the first time since Morrison.

“I’ve never read McDuffie, and since I haven’t read JLA since Morrison left the book and the JLA/Avengers x-over: I really don’t care who does what.”

Thanks for sharing.

Dwayne McDuffie is a FANTASTIC choice to follow Meltzer on Justice League of America. Meltzer’s run has been decent, but nothing really exceptional (although I’m really enjoying the JLA/JSA/quasi-original Legion crossover going on right now). And while I haven’t read any of McDuffie’s comics before, I loved the Justice League cartoon that he worked on. I think this is going to be a really good run for the book (especially if they stop having Michael Turner do the covers).

I’m expecting McDuffie to fix Meltzer’s destruction of the book.

And like M Bloom, I don’t want Turner on covers.

The cartoon was okay. Anything is an improvement over Meltzer, of course, but this doesn’t entice me enough to pick up the series.

In some ways, McDuffie makes me less interested than Meltzer. Meltzer’s stalkerish scribblings are so laughably bad that they are fun to analyze and scoff at as professional fanfiction. McDuffie though, has all the bad aspects of fanfiction, except it’s competently executed enough that the laughably bad elements of fanfiction are eliminated. It’s like American Idol, the really bad ones (the Meltzers) are great to watch because you can laugh at them in disbelief. The great ones (the Brubakers) you can admire in awe. The ones who aren’t good enough to be great but not bad enough to be awful just bore me.

meltzer can’t write for $#!+, so it doesn’t take much…

Tom Fitzpatrick

June 17, 2007 at 2:09 pm

No problem.

I do so love to share. ;-)

The few times I’ve read comics written by Brad Meltzer I just got really self-conscious and embarrassed for the guy and had to put the comic away. It’s kind of like how I can’t watch really trashy talkshows (like Jerry Springer or Maurie Povich) because I just feel so bad for everyone involved that it makes me uncomfortable.
So, yeah, I’m excited that McDuffie is taking over! I hadn’t read much of his comic work (loved JLU) until recently, but his Fantastic Four is the first time that the title has ever held any interest for me. Has DC hinted at a change in artists? The JLA covers have been wince-inducing.

Corey

Wait, what is Crappy McCrapperson DOING with himself these days? I haven’t seen anything from him since he did Uncanny X-Crement in ’98.

Tom Fitzpatrick

June 17, 2007 at 4:05 pm

“meltzer can’t write for $#!+, so it doesn’t take much… ”

Ooh, I don’t know, his novels are pretty good.

Hey, I think McDuffie’s pretty terrific. I’ll take him on Justice League any day.

When did McDuffie get so popular? It’s not that I hate him — hell, I’ve been watching Justice League Unlimited every night on Boomerang — but it just seems abrupt how he goes from being a semiregular writer to scribing two big books.

“The cartoon was okay. Anything is an improvement over Meltzer, of course, but this doesn’t entice me enough to pick up the series.”

Oh trust me, it could get much worse than Meltzer. They could bring back Gerard Jones.

Remind me, again, how many rape scenes, just-in-case flamethrowers, dismemberments, and fan-squee caption panels Jones wrote in his JLA run?

T, is there anything that you DON’T consider to be fanfiction at this point? What does that term even mean anymore?

T, is there anything that you DON’T consider to be fanfiction at this point? What does that term even mean anymore?

It’s a highly technical term for “Stuff I don’t like.” It can be replaced with “emo” or the slightly more informative “pretentious” which means “Stuff that I don’t like AND don’t understand.”

Crappy McCrapperson is currently writing Excrementiles, among other projects. Also, he’s written most of Green Lanturd Corpse and Out-house-siders.

In a stunning display of cross discipline work on comics, he’s also been the artist in recent issues of Xcrement-Men and New Xcrement-Men.

He’s also been assisting Morrison on Bat Guano Man.
He’s been writing The Amazing Spiturd-Man under the alias of JMS. Not to mention Thunturdbolts under the alias of Warren Ellis.
And of course, he’s been writing All-Star Bat Guano Man and Robin The Big Wonturd under the alias of Frank Miller.
And then of course there’s Army Shat Love over at Vertigo.
And Grifturd/Midnighturd. And Stupidgirl. And Flatulence: The Fattest Man Alive. And Stupidman/Bat Guano Man. And Ultimate Fantastic Fart. And Wonturd Woman.
He also had a hand in Civil Wart. And he’s writing The Inshitiative.

All in all, he’s been extremely prolific lately!

A good solid choice. McDuffie tells fun and energenic stories. At least my JLA will be rape-free now.

“Remind me, again, how many rape scenes, just-in-case flamethrowers, dismemberments, and fan-squee caption panels Jones wrote in his JLA run?”

Zero. But it did have long arcs about an omnipotent post-modern artist who kept spouting the same stupid line over and over; tons of long, clearly written by a man speeches about what female power means; Power Girl’s pregnancy; a long-running, dead end plot about a disembodied spirit; Crimson Fox apparently dying, only to turn up months later and promptly die; an omnipotent statue and his Eurotrash space biker family; Power Girl’s rapidly aging magical baby; several long, clearly written by a straight man speeches about female bisexuality; the Yaz, dear God, the Yaz; and Wally’s obsession with the Yaz’s gender.

And that’s just the really stupid stuff that I remember off the top of my head. Believe me, Meltzer at his worst is far, far better than Jones at his best.

T, is there anything that you DON’T consider to be fanfiction at this point? What does that term even mean anymore?

Brubaker, Gaiman, Morrison, Darwyn Cooke and Paul Dini are just five examples of people who don’t read like fanfiction to me. There are more. Fanfiction to me is any work where the “inner fan” outweighs the “professional writer” to the point where the work becomes amateurish and loses sight of just telling a good story.

For example on JLU, the non-McDuffie stuff was great, it seemed to be done to be accessible and simple. McDuffie’s stuff though seemed geared solely to appealing to the hardcore comics fans: a ridiculous amount of gratuitous cameos from every corner of the DCU, regardless of whether they served the story. The way he kept trying to squeeze in as much comics continuity elements as he could in each episode was also like that, like when the Flash beats up Luthor/Braniac and is fading away for a few seconds, we get this couple of seconds of dialogue…”Wait..I see something…it’s beautiful..it’s…it’s…a SPEED FORCE!” That moment exists for no reason but to name drop the term “speed force” and cause the comics fan at home to howl with glee. If you weren’t a comics fan and you saw the scene, that comment is just a WTF? moment. The convoluted story where we discover that Batman Beyond is really Bruce Wayne’s son is another example of fanfiction writing to me. What was the point of that episode in the big scheme of the season or even the series?

The original Batman Beyond series and Teen Titans series were the opposite to me. Even though there were homages and fan moments, they were never insular and existed primarily to hook in new people and have mass appeal. They weren’t afraid to change or ditch continuity elements wholesale, like the way Deathstroke was reinterpreted.

The episode where we find out that Terry is actually Bruce’s son was intended to be a coda for the Batman Beyond series.

>The episode where we find out that Terry is actually >Bruce’s son was intended to be a coda for the Batman >Beyond series.

It was, as I recall, adapted from an unmade DTV feature that was dropped when Return of the Joker proved so controversial. Since the staff never got to do their planned conclusion to Batman Beyond, they put it in JLU when they had an episode to spare…
And the Terry/Bruce connection was planned all along, apparently…but it wasn’t Amanda Waller who was originally behind it – that was the only thing added after JLU – it was originally Catwoman.
And it was Bruce Timm’s idea, for what that’s worth…:)

Didn’t know that. Still thought it was a bad story a fan would come up with though.

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