Comments on: Ten Goofiest Plot Points of the First Ten Issues of the Fantastic Four http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:22:12 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Toby http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-125031 Toby Wed, 04 Jul 2007 04:27:12 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-125031 You SUCK!!!! You SUCK!!!!

]]> By: Luis Dantas http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-115506 Luis Dantas Thu, 21 Jun 2007 03:24:28 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-115506 Curious thing about #2; it not only makes a meta-reference to "Journey into Mystery" (a real-life comicbook that just happened to be where Marvel's Thor debuted) but it also mentions "Strange Tales", which is a similar horror/sci-fi book... by DC (back then it was National). CSBG recently brought to our attention that early on the FF were distributed by a DC subsidiary and Marvel was a bit afraid of upsetting it by turning to publishing superheroes (thereby potentially hurting the sales of Superman and friends). Perhaps it was thought that by mentioning a DC book in such a context there would be less reason for DC to be bothered. Curious thing about #2; it not only makes a meta-reference to "Journey into Mystery" (a real-life comicbook that just happened to be where Marvel's Thor debuted) but it also mentions "Strange Tales", which is a similar horror/sci-fi book... by DC (back then it was National).

CSBG recently brought to our attention that early on the FF were distributed by a DC subsidiary and Marvel was a bit afraid of upsetting it by turning to publishing superheroes (thereby potentially hurting the sales of Superman and friends). Perhaps it was thought that by mentioning a DC book in such a context there would be less reason for DC to be bothered.

]]> By: Rohan Williams http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-114969 Rohan Williams Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:31:44 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-114969 Um, if Sue using her invisibility powers to escape a situation like that seems overly goofy, you better not go see the movie... Um, if Sue using her invisibility powers to escape a situation like that seems overly goofy, you better not go see the movie...

]]> By: yo go re http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-114529 yo go re Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:39:59 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-114529 I never realized that Skrulls didn't have the broccoli chins when they first showed up. When did those develop? I never realized that Skrulls didn't have the broccoli chins when they first showed up. When did those develop?

]]> By: T Dot http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-114400 T Dot Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:54:07 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-114400 In reference to the lame trick referred to above (i.e. guard opens door, and doesn't realize that Sue Storm sneaks out using her invisible powers), this was not only used in Fantastic Four #2 or Ultimate FF #31..... It was used in the Rise of the Silver Surfer movie as well!!! In reference to the lame trick referred to above (i.e. guard opens door, and doesn't realize that Sue Storm sneaks out using her invisible powers), this was not only used in Fantastic Four #2 or Ultimate FF #31..... It was used in the Rise of the Silver Surfer movie as well!!!

]]> By: stephen cade http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-113785 stephen cade Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:00:05 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-113785 As to #1--Actually pirates did fight over all booty--including clothes. That's why many were dressed flamboantly... As to #1--Actually pirates did fight over all booty--including clothes. That's why many were dressed flamboantly...

]]> By: Dan (other Dan) http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-113755 Dan (other Dan) Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:26:35 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-113755 In reference to point 2, according to Napoleon Chagnon (1983), the Yanomamo of South America "do not understand the difference between a painting and a photograph". A particular missionary used this to his advantage by showing paintings of Yanomamo in hell for engaging in indigenous religious behaviors. I've never been able to wrap my head around this; it's a single sentence observation that I've not seen in any other sources on the Yanomamo (a favorite in ethnographic literature). These people are absolutely as smart as anyone else on the planet, so I don't know how this wouldn't be understood. I would think there's some inherent quality of the exact reproduction through photography that would be perceptibly different from a painting, but this observation seems to point to a learned ability to determine if something is a photo or a drawing. There's no reference to the quality of a drawn work as a factor in conflating it to a photo. Anyway, there are humans that, presumably, couldn't tell a comic book clipping from a photo, so it really isn't too much of a strech to imagine Skrulls having the same difficulty. (Thanks, anthropology degree!) In reference to point 2, according to Napoleon Chagnon (1983), the Yanomamo of South America "do not understand the difference between a painting and a photograph". A particular missionary used this to his advantage by showing paintings of Yanomamo in hell for engaging in indigenous religious behaviors. I've never been able to wrap my head around this; it's a single sentence observation that I've not seen in any other sources on the Yanomamo (a favorite in ethnographic literature). These people are absolutely as smart as anyone else on the planet, so I don't know how this wouldn't be understood. I would think there's some inherent quality of the exact reproduction through photography that would be perceptibly different from a painting, but this observation seems to point to a learned ability to determine if something is a photo or a drawing. There's no reference to the quality of a drawn work as a factor in conflating it to a photo. Anyway, there are humans that, presumably, couldn't tell a comic book clipping from a photo, so it really isn't too much of a strech to imagine Skrulls having the same difficulty. (Thanks, anthropology degree!)

]]> By: plok http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-113711 plok Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:04:53 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-113711 Ahhh...Gaard... Ahhh...Gaard...

]]> By: adam barnett http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-113572 adam barnett Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:44:57 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-113572 I've been going through the FF for the past 6 months and posting weirdness. I'm past issue 200 right now, so the goofiness is fewer and further between, but I still hit paydirt every so often - Gaard, anyone? I've been going through the FF for the past 6 months and posting weirdness. I'm past issue 200 right now, so the goofiness is fewer and further between, but I still hit paydirt every so often - Gaard, anyone?

]]> By: suedenim http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-113505 suedenim Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:26:07 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-113505 That's a really good way to look at the Skrulls - kind of an evil version of the bad guys from *Galaxy Quest* whose culture never developed the idea of fiction. A race of shape shifters should be a pretty scary thing, but they never do much to live up to their potential. That's a really good way to look at the Skrulls - kind of an evil version of the bad guys from *Galaxy Quest* whose culture never developed the idea of fiction. A race of shape shifters should be a pretty scary thing, but they never do much to live up to their potential.

]]> By: Bully http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-113493 Bully Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:16:31 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-113493 Sue escapes by being invisible trick: the Army guys in the new movie did the same stupid thing as the Army guys in the comic: forgot they are holding an invisible woman captive. Don't open the door...oh, she's out in the hall. And people say the movie wasn't true enough to the source! Sue escapes by being invisible trick: the Army guys in the new movie did the same stupid thing as the Army guys in the comic: forgot they are holding an invisible woman captive. Don't open the door...oh, she's out in the hall.

And people say the movie wasn't true enough to the source!

]]> By: Craig http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-113485 Craig Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:51:29 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-113485 Another thing to do when reading the first few dozen issues of the FF is to count all the references to asbestos. It was as plentiful as hydrogen in the 60s, apparently. Another thing to do when reading the first few dozen issues of the FF is to count all the references to asbestos. It was as plentiful as hydrogen in the 60s, apparently.

]]> By: plok http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-113407 plok Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:31:09 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-113407 To me, what's crazier than the Skrulls being fooled by clippings from monster comics is that <i>Reed has them</i>. Just picturing Reed going "Aha! We'll freak the Skrulls out by showing them some clippings from monster comics! Johnny, do you have any in your room? Sue, bring me those scissors!" never fails to blow my mind. Like, you just know Ben would be grumbling about how he's useless when it comes to scissor work because of his damn Thingy hands... I mean, that should've been in the comic. Marionette had a good explain-away for why the Skrulls get fooled by the comics. Skrulls, she theorized, aren't very imaginative. The whole idea that there are pictures of things that <i>aren't real</i> just wouldn't occur to them. Makes sense: they really under-utilize that shapechanging power. Also, check the plan with the Super-Skrull, that's...not exactly lateral thinking, right there. To me, what's crazier than the Skrulls being fooled by clippings from monster comics is that Reed has them. Just picturing Reed going "Aha! We'll freak the Skrulls out by showing them some clippings from monster comics! Johnny, do you have any in your room? Sue, bring me those scissors!" never fails to blow my mind. Like, you just know Ben would be grumbling about how he's useless when it comes to scissor work because of his damn Thingy hands...

I mean, that should've been in the comic.

Marionette had a good explain-away for why the Skrulls get fooled by the comics. Skrulls, she theorized, aren't very imaginative. The whole idea that there are pictures of things that aren't real just wouldn't occur to them.

Makes sense: they really under-utilize that shapechanging power. Also, check the plan with the Super-Skrull, that's...not exactly lateral thinking, right there.

]]> By: Bryant69 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-12211 Bryant69 Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:47:14 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-12211 I don't know - I think the Thing as Blackbeard is one of my favorite goofy moments - particularly the part where he turns on his team. I don't know - I think the Thing as Blackbeard is one of my favorite goofy moments - particularly the part where he turns on his team.

]]> By: John http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-12163 John Wed, 01 Nov 2006 00:23:43 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-12163 Little late for this, but... Who tied Reed up? Well, you called it in the honorable mention. Not only is she into humiliation games, she's a bondage freak *and* she likes to do it in public. Little late for this, but...

Who tied Reed up?

Well, you called it in the honorable mention. Not only is she into humiliation games, she's a bondage freak *and* she likes to do it in public.

]]> By: Ken Raining http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-12000 Ken Raining Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:44:49 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-12000 Well, I've always found the blind scu;ptress whou's able to carve stunningly lifelike statues of people she's never even met to be a bit hard to swallow. It's amazing to me, in those old comics, how often people forget about the powers of the very people they've captured. But the Invisible Girl thing is done time and time again, and it never fails to make me shake my head in amazement. And, if I'm not mistaken, there are several occasions where her own TEAMMATES forget her abilites and are surprised when she dissapears. Her force field seems to always catch them off guard, too... Well, I've always found the blind scu;ptress whou's able to carve stunningly lifelike statues of people she's never even met to be a bit hard to swallow.

It's amazing to me, in those old comics, how often people forget about the powers of the very people they've captured. But the Invisible Girl thing is done time and time again, and it never fails to make me shake my head in amazement. And, if I'm not mistaken, there are several occasions where her own TEAMMATES forget her abilites and are surprised when she dissapears. Her force field seems to always catch them off guard, too...

]]> By: Ian http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-11961 Ian Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:12:28 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-11961 Aguirre-Sacasa touched on Sue and Alcia looking alike when he did 4 Aguirre-Sacasa touched on Sue and Alcia looking alike when he did 4

]]> By: Axel M. Gruner http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-11938 Axel M. Gruner Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:22:19 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-11938 <blockquote>The Puppet Master once had his daughter, Alicia Masters, inflitrate the Fantastic Four with a wig to make her look like Sue. Sure, she apparently looked a lot like Sue, but it is still embarrassing that this disguise worked - not only wasn’t she Sue, she was BLIND!!!</blockquote> And that was the same Alicia Masters who had a long relationship with Ben Grimm and later on married Johnny Storm. Did Reed never wonder about that? *yeech*

The Puppet Master once had his daughter, Alicia Masters, inflitrate the Fantastic Four with a wig to make her look like Sue. Sure, she apparently looked a lot like Sue, but it is still embarrassing that this disguise worked - not only wasn’t she Sue, she was BLIND!!!

And that was the same Alicia Masters who had a long relationship with Ben Grimm and later on married Johnny Storm. Did Reed never wonder about that? *yeech*

]]> By: MarkAndrew http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-11930 MarkAndrew Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:41:48 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-11930 OK, Cronin. You were right. This time. OK, Cronin. You were right. This time.

]]> By: kevhines http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/06/18/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/comment-page-1/#comment-11928 kevhines Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:20:40 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/10/29/ten-goofiest-plot-points-of-the-first-ten-issues-of-the-fantastic-four/#comment-11928 In the issue where Namor runs the movie studio the FF had lost all their money. How? Reed lost it in the stock market. Some genius! In the issue where Namor runs the movie studio the FF had lost all their money. How? Reed lost it in the stock market.

Some genius!

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