Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque

I...I have no idea if this is serious or some kind of elaborate joke.

you're nuts
How can people misunderstand Ditko so greatly... he left because he didn't like dove's portrayal. Seriousl, look up ditko. He wasn't right wing, and if he was, it certainly was never reflected in anything he wrote. his beliefs were based on reasoning, not religion(or what have you).

"The Challenger... and The Challenged!"

Cor, doesn't that make Dove sound heroic? Nothing says "hero" like a euphamism for mental disability...

And yet- he's one of the greatest cartoonists of his generation, without a doubt.

Anyoone else notice paralels (I give up I can't remember how to spell the word) with Frank Miller?

In short, it was a great series, criminally unnoticed, and absolutely desecrated by 'Armageddon 2001'. Go back, buy the back issues, they're all cheap, and join me in lobbying for 'DC Showcase Presents Hawk and Dove'.

You skipped the weird guitar-playing, gun-shooting Hawk and Dove of a few years ago. I don’t know anything about them, though, so I’m not too upset.

That mini did get a mention, actually. Here:

Mike Baron came up with a completely new iteration of Hawk and Dove in a ’90s mini-series, but I’m told it wasn’t very good. Dang.

I don't know anyone who picked up the title, but the revamp -- divorced from the Lords of Chaos and Order and featuring a slacker Dove with a guitar and a military brat Hawk with guns, a telepathic link between them -- had the potential to be an effective modernization of the core dichotomy. Of course, aside from a cameo or two in Titans, the duo's been all but forgotten. With a necessary name change to differentiate between the Granger girls, the team -- or at least the battle-ready Hawk -- could be viable players on any youth-friendly team. Teen Titans needs someone(s) to fill out its ever-thinning ranks, no?

I also liked the Kesel/Liefeld mini. As Doug said it, having a good inker and still doing human bodies with proportions that had yet to defy laws of physics made it a fun read. I think the association with the whole Gods of Law and Order thing was a good idea for those two. Dawn was a much better character than Don, even if the two opposite brothers idea was a good one.

I agree, there’s a lot of potential here, if rethought with an overtly political 21st century twist — two characters who really can’t get along and who have totally different aims, but who are bound to each other in order to activate their powers.

Yeah, Just from the looks of those covers, I'm with stealthwise on the 'concept that wasn't executed well at all' thing. Punch up the complexity even a bit and you've got a potentially extraordinary setup there.

Of course, because Hawk and Dove teamed up with the Teen Titans, their being 30 would create headaches with the non-existent aging of the Titans, so in the Donna Troy wedding issue it's casually dismissed as though to say "it didn't happen".

But it was an awesome story that held up when I re-read it as an adult. I miss those days when Alan Burnett came to DC once or twice a year and wrote the best Batman story of the year and then went back to Hollywood to write and produce television. Those were the days...

I’d also like to see a smart writer handle a liberal Dove as someone who’s not a wimp. How to balance pacificistic philosphies with superhero action? That would be an achievement!

perhaps J. Marc DeMatteis?

he's often spoken about the fact that he is himself a pacifist and feels a bit uncomfortable writing characters who resolve problems through violence...

What strikes me about Hawk and Dove today is their color scheme: How amusing that Hawk is Red (State) and Dove is Blue (State). I agree, there's a lot of potential here, if rethought with an overtly political 21st century twist — two characters who really can't get along and who have totally different aims, but who are bound to each other in order to activate their powers. I'd also like to see a smart writer handle a liberal Dove as someone who's not a wimp. How to balance pacificistic philosphies with superhero action? That would be an achievement! (As would making a neo-con Hawk something more than a bloodthirsty caricature.)

(The Liefeld-drawn miniseries wasn't as badly drawn as all that; since it was early in his career he hadn't developed into such a caricature, and having a good inker helped.)