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		<title>By: Omar Karindu</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/17/comic-dictionary-grace-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-138139</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar Karindu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, alternately, it was a bit of Fan Wank when Roger Stern made sure that Captain America had the triangular shield in a flashback to his first adventure in Cap v.1 #255.  It was a Grace Note when Mark Waid actually had Cap go back to using the triangular shield for awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, alternately, it was a bit of Fan Wank when Roger Stern made sure that Captain America had the triangular shield in a flashback to his first adventure in Cap v.1 #255.  It was a Grace Note when Mark Waid actually had Cap go back to using the triangular shield for awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/17/comic-dictionary-grace-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-138086</link>
		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Cap&#039;s Old Shield--

It&#039;d depend on how it was used. If you were writing the Avengers, and you had it hanging on the wall and someone asked Cap, &quot;That&#039;s not your shield, is it? The shape&#039;s all wrong!&quot; And Cap launched into an explanation of how he once had a shield before he got his classic round shield...then they got on with the plot, which had nothing to do with any of that...that&#039;s fanwank.

If, on the other hand, you had a story where WWII Cap traveled in time to the present, and in the middle of a fight, both Caps stood side by side in battle, one with the round shield, the other with the triangular one...that&#039;d probably be a Grace Note.

If all this made the present day Cap realize he had to be more &quot;contemporary&quot;, well...that&#039;d be a false epiphany. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Cap's Old Shield--</p>
<p>It'd depend on how it was used. If you were writing the Avengers, and you had it hanging on the wall and someone asked Cap, "That's not your shield, is it? The shape's all wrong!" And Cap launched into an explanation of how he once had a shield before he got his classic round shield...then they got on with the plot, which had nothing to do with any of that...that's fanwank.</p>
<p>If, on the other hand, you had a story where WWII Cap traveled in time to the present, and in the middle of a fight, both Caps stood side by side in battle, one with the round shield, the other with the triangular one...that'd probably be a Grace Note.</p>
<p>If all this made the present day Cap realize he had to be more "contemporary", well...that'd be a false epiphany. <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cove West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cove West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another way to seeing it:

Fanwanks are the kind of thing you get No-prizes for.  Grace Notes are the kind of thing you a pat on the head and a &quot;Good for you, you noticed!&quot; for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's another way to seeing it:</p>
<p>Fanwanks are the kind of thing you get No-prizes for.  Grace Notes are the kind of thing you a pat on the head and a "Good for you, you noticed!" for.</p>
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		<title>By: Thenodrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thenodrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this article.

I&#039;d say that the scene where Luthor flees from the Superman / Batman v. Darkseid battle, only to return in his &quot;Power Suit,&quot; (a classy expensive-looking business suit, not green and purple at all) is a great Grace Note.

When the camera panned around, part of me was expecting the 80s Iron Man style armour, and all of me was pleased with the play on words.

I would consider pretty much anyone saying, &quot;You wouldn&#039;t like me when I&#039;m angry&quot; to be a Grace Note.

From the article, I&#039;m thinking that Grace Notes are like spices.  Just a little, and they are barely noticable, too much and they overpower, and you can&#039;t make a meal out of them exclusively.

Fan Wanks, on the other hand, are (as I recall) originally a Doctor Who term from where some fan fiction writers were moving up to actually write cannon for the series.  I think that things like &quot;art trace&quot; would count for this (where an artist depects a scene that matches up line for line with an older comic book by a different artist.)

But, I think that the primary use for Fan Wanks are when a fan puts in something that is really just for him, either a way to explain something no one else remembers or to demonstrate that he remembers obscure trivia, and it gets in the way of the story.  Sometimes this can be a good thing, if the majority of the audience are likewise long-term fans.

I consider the amnesiac Harry from SM3 to be a Fan Wank, as it really didn&#039;t affect the plot of the movie, and seemed to be in there solely for people like myself who remembered the story arc from the comic book.

I do have a question: would Captain America&#039;s original triangular shield be a Grace Point, a Fan Wank, or a false ephiney?  How many times has that thing been dusted off and subsequentally destroyed?

Theno</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this article.</p>
<p>I'd say that the scene where Luthor flees from the Superman / Batman v. Darkseid battle, only to return in his "Power Suit," (a classy expensive-looking business suit, not green and purple at all) is a great Grace Note.</p>
<p>When the camera panned around, part of me was expecting the 80s Iron Man style armour, and all of me was pleased with the play on words.</p>
<p>I would consider pretty much anyone saying, "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry" to be a Grace Note.</p>
<p>From the article, I'm thinking that Grace Notes are like spices.  Just a little, and they are barely noticable, too much and they overpower, and you can't make a meal out of them exclusively.</p>
<p>Fan Wanks, on the other hand, are (as I recall) originally a Doctor Who term from where some fan fiction writers were moving up to actually write cannon for the series.  I think that things like "art trace" would count for this (where an artist depects a scene that matches up line for line with an older comic book by a different artist.)</p>
<p>But, I think that the primary use for Fan Wanks are when a fan puts in something that is really just for him, either a way to explain something no one else remembers or to demonstrate that he remembers obscure trivia, and it gets in the way of the story.  Sometimes this can be a good thing, if the majority of the audience are likewise long-term fans.</p>
<p>I consider the amnesiac Harry from SM3 to be a Fan Wank, as it really didn't affect the plot of the movie, and seemed to be in there solely for people like myself who remembered the story arc from the comic book.</p>
<p>I do have a question: would Captain America's original triangular shield be a Grace Point, a Fan Wank, or a false ephiney?  How many times has that thing been dusted off and subsequentally destroyed?</p>
<p>Theno</p>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That, I think would be a Grace Note. She&#039;s in that pose so that we know that she, like Wolverine in the classic &#039;Dark Phoenix Saga&#039;, is about to kick some serious villain ass. It&#039;s there to add extra emotional weight to her preparation to fight back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That, I think would be a Grace Note. She's in that pose so that we know that she, like Wolverine in the classic 'Dark Phoenix Saga', is about to kick some serious villain ass. It's there to add extra emotional weight to her preparation to fight back.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Herman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so, on the final page of Astonishing X-Men #15, with Kitty Pryde in the sewers striking the exact same badass pose that Wolverine did when fighting the Hellfire Club in Uncanny X-Men #132, would that be considered a Grace Note, or is it Fan Wank?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so, on the final page of Astonishing X-Men #15, with Kitty Pryde in the sewers striking the exact same badass pose that Wolverine did when fighting the Hellfire Club in Uncanny X-Men #132, would that be considered a Grace Note, or is it Fan Wank?</p>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/17/comic-dictionary-grace-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-137204</link>
		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Fan Wank is not the phenomenon described here, the use of repeated plot elements in order to give the current story some of the emotional weight of the story it reuses.

Fan Wank is the creation of a plot element designed solely to demonstrate the writer&#039;s knowledge and familiarity with the continuity of the series. Frequently, fanwank elements resolve continuity problems that only long-time fans care about, or tie up loose ends nobody remembers. (Incidentally, the late Craig Hinton claimed to have invented the term when writing reviews for &#039;Doctor Who Magazine&#039;, and I see no reason to doubt him on that claim.)

For example, the sequence in &#039;Avengers Forever&#039; where Busiek devotes the better part of an issue to explaining how the Vision can be made from the body of the Human Torch when the Human Torch wasn&#039;t dead...that&#039;s fanwank. When Geoff Johns brings back Alexander Luthor as the villain of &#039;Infinite Crisis&#039; so that everyone can say, &quot;OMG, this is just as important on &#039;Crisis on Infinite Earths&#039;, because it features the return of a bunch of characters we haven&#039;t seen since then,&quot; that&#039;s a Grace Note.

Luthor in the green-and-purple armor...Grace Note. Luthor spending a page discussing the different types of Kryptonite he has in his armor, and their uses...fanwank. The principal difference, I think, is that fanwank is generally an aside to the story and Grace Notes are generally central to the plot. I wouldn&#039;t say either one is superior (in fact, I&#039;d say both are to be avoided.)

I think the best example of fanwank does come from its source, Doctor Who; in the novel &#039;Original Sin&#039;, the Doctor is looking for a pair of boots to wear during the book, and spends the better part of a page reminiscing about the mudstains on the boots in his boot closet, and what adventures they came from. Now _that_ is fanwank. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Fan Wank is not the phenomenon described here, the use of repeated plot elements in order to give the current story some of the emotional weight of the story it reuses.</p>
<p>Fan Wank is the creation of a plot element designed solely to demonstrate the writer's knowledge and familiarity with the continuity of the series. Frequently, fanwank elements resolve continuity problems that only long-time fans care about, or tie up loose ends nobody remembers. (Incidentally, the late Craig Hinton claimed to have invented the term when writing reviews for 'Doctor Who Magazine', and I see no reason to doubt him on that claim.)</p>
<p>For example, the sequence in 'Avengers Forever' where Busiek devotes the better part of an issue to explaining how the Vision can be made from the body of the Human Torch when the Human Torch wasn't dead...that's fanwank. When Geoff Johns brings back Alexander Luthor as the villain of 'Infinite Crisis' so that everyone can say, "OMG, this is just as important on 'Crisis on Infinite Earths', because it features the return of a bunch of characters we haven't seen since then," that's a Grace Note.</p>
<p>Luthor in the green-and-purple armor...Grace Note. Luthor spending a page discussing the different types of Kryptonite he has in his armor, and their uses...fanwank. The principal difference, I think, is that fanwank is generally an aside to the story and Grace Notes are generally central to the plot. I wouldn't say either one is superior (in fact, I'd say both are to be avoided.)</p>
<p>I think the best example of fanwank does come from its source, Doctor Who; in the novel 'Original Sin', the Doctor is looking for a pair of boots to wear during the book, and spends the better part of a page reminiscing about the mudstains on the boots in his boot closet, and what adventures they came from. Now _that_ is fanwank. <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Omar Karindu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omar Karindu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  I borrowed the term from musical notation, where Grace Notes are a form of ornament.  In music as in comics, grace notes can accentuate a good story or theme, or can be overused to the point of destroying a good story or theme.  

I do hope that the term&#039;s essential neutrality catches on; there are, as I tried to indicate, good uses of Grace Notes in comics alongside the Fan Wankery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  I borrowed the term from musical notation, where Grace Notes are a form of ornament.  In music as in comics, grace notes can accentuate a good story or theme, or can be overused to the point of destroying a good story or theme.  </p>
<p>I do hope that the term's essential neutrality catches on; there are, as I tried to indicate, good uses of Grace Notes in comics alongside the Fan Wankery.</p>
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		<title>By: stealthwise</title>
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		<dc:creator>stealthwise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points about Hush.  They help pinpoint why I hated that story so much.  Well, that and the lame &quot;introduce a character only to have them be revealed to be the villain by the end.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points about Hush.  They help pinpoint why I hated that story so much.  Well, that and the lame "introduce a character only to have them be revealed to be the villain by the end."</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Herman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here I thought this sort of thing was typically referred to as Fan Wank.  But I guess Grace Note is a more, um, refined and eloquent term :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here I thought this sort of thing was typically referred to as Fan Wank.  But I guess Grace Note is a more, um, refined and eloquent term <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mullon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mullon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So where does the &quot;Grace Note&quot; term itself come from?
Did someone named Grace do it a lot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where does the "Grace Note" term itself come from?<br />
Did someone named Grace do it a lot?</p>
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		<title>By: Patient Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patient Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would Bryan Singer liberally borrowing from the Donner Superman movie count?</description>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll agree with Mr. Jones, above, and call the trend towards Grace Notes (and homages) one I&#039;m uncomfortable with, both as a reader and as a writer. When working in a shared universe, on characters with a long history, there&#039;s not a very clear definition of plagarism. As such, I think it&#039;s frequently all too easy to retell other people&#039;s stories and add very little of your own work.

While I don&#039;t think every use of a Grace Note is an instance of plagarism, I think it&#039;s hard to avoid the fact that you&#039;re counting on the reader&#039;s familiarity and affection for the previous story to add emotional resonance to your own that simply wouldn&#039;t be there otherwise. I think it&#039;s very easy to overuse them, and I try to avoid them as a writer when possible (although the temptation is always there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll agree with Mr. Jones, above, and call the trend towards Grace Notes (and homages) one I'm uncomfortable with, both as a reader and as a writer. When working in a shared universe, on characters with a long history, there's not a very clear definition of plagarism. As such, I think it's frequently all too easy to retell other people's stories and add very little of your own work.</p>
<p>While I don't think every use of a Grace Note is an instance of plagarism, I think it's hard to avoid the fact that you're counting on the reader's familiarity and affection for the previous story to add emotional resonance to your own that simply wouldn't be there otherwise. I think it's very easy to overuse them, and I try to avoid them as a writer when possible (although the temptation is always there.)</p>
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		<title>By: PÃ³l Rua</title>
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		<dc:creator>PÃ³l Rua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best use ever was Ra&#039;s&#039; appearance in Kyle Baker&#039;s &#039;Plastic Man&#039;.

&quot;This is a situation that can only be resolved with... SHIRTLESS FIGHTING!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best use ever was Ra's' appearance in Kyle Baker's 'Plastic Man'.</p>
<p>"This is a situation that can only be resolved with... SHIRTLESS FIGHTING!!!"</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That entire JLA/JSA crossover was nothing but Grace Notes. And boy, did it suck.</description>
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		<title>By: Yankee Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed this occurence as well but never put a name to it. Top work!

These &quot;grace notes&quot; are probably my biggest problem with the comic book industry at the moment and are really indicative of how cannabalized, insular and self referential it has become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed this occurence as well but never put a name to it. Top work!</p>
<p>These "grace notes" are probably my biggest problem with the comic book industry at the moment and are really indicative of how cannabalized, insular and self referential it has become.</p>
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