The thought that Cap/Punisher could be like the Supes/Bats relationship is pretty neat and when Steve comes back I’d buy a book starring the two old soldiers touring America and exploring their different ideals and experiences. OK so that’s a bit more GL/GA that Supes/Bats but whatever.

I’m not sure Quesada’s a ‘bozo’, he’s just doing what editors do: laying the praise on thick for the parts of the proposal that he does like, so that when he’s critical of the parts he doesn’t like, the writer won’t get his nose too far out of joint.

Obviously, they decided that killing off one kid wasn’t enough of an impetus for the whole thing, so they decided to kill LOTS of kids. Nice.

Oh, okay. So Brevoort saved Marvel?

Some interesting things, though – as another poster noted, the proposal pretty much confirms that Steve Rogers’ll be alive and kickin’ by the time a movie comes out.

Secondly, plans may have changed since then, but if the original idea was for World War Hulk to conclude Civil War, I wonder how much of the ending (IE heroes reuniting for a common purpose, Watchmen style) will remain intact for WWH.

-M

Actually, it occurred to me that since Brevoort removed one or two other spoilers in the document, it’s possible they discarded that entire idea.

Mighty uncharacteristic of them to do that, or maybe it’s so obvious that it doesn’t count as a spoiler.

The end fight between Pro and Anti, the Hulk Invasion, the Power Sapping device.

I know he reaches for over the top spectacle, but geez…c’mon.

Curious to find out why so many details were ultimately changed for the printed page.

Another case of too many cooks spoil the broth?

I also like how they blatantly mention that Capt. America will be coming back in time for the movie. Not that we didn’t know that already, but you think they’d at least try to maintain some kayfabe.

Essentially, what killed Civil War was that the story was a direct attempt to remove some of the “comic-booky” conventions in the Marvel Universe, such as police allowing vigilantes with secret identities to roam unchecked, but the entire story hinges on the convention of having heroes use their fists first and brains later.

Captain America has surrendered to the government and co-operated before, when the need arose, and the only way they could force him out on the lam was to have Shield agents shoot at him. This was as grossly irresponsible as anything the New Warriors did (and led directly to ALL of the damage in the rest of the book), and yet it is supposed to be acceptable that one group is held accountable and the other isn’t.

It’s unfortunate that Brevoort didn’t pursue that issue more fervently at the beginning. You can see him touching on it, and you can see that character issues were doomed to be subordinated in the story to slam-bang action. That’s a shame, because the character interaction is what was needed to make the story work.

That was a good read. Interesting how frequently Breevort (or even Quesada) pointed out a problem that absolutely did not get fixed at all. Or got un-fixed (made even worse).