Comments on: Snark Free Corner for 7/23 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:38:42 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Rob M http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-141816 Rob M Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:53:56 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-141816 Cover game: Action #409 http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=24845&zoom=4 Cover game: Action #409 http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=24845&zoom=4

]]> By: DanCJ http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-141088 DanCJ Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:08:26 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-141088 And by the way - I liked Jason Todd as well And by the way - I liked Jason Todd as well

]]> By: DanCJ http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-141087 DanCJ Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:07:51 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-141087 It's no judgement of his competence at the job, but Dick is easily my least favourite Robin. Theme game... Superman 410 http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=40293&zoom=4 It's no judgement of his competence at the job, but Dick is easily my least favourite Robin.

Theme game... Superman 410

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=40293&zoom=4

]]> By: Derek B. Haas http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140994 Derek B. Haas Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:56:11 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140994 Hellboy, the Maxx, and Archie have all been adapted into cartoon animation. Hellboy, the Maxx, and Archie have all been adapted into cartoon animation.

]]> By: Cove West http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140818 Cove West Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:07:48 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140818 POWER PACK was all sorts of effervescent fun. And yeah, props to the other writers of the time for using them. One of my faves was in THOR (Walt was her husband, he HAD to use them!) when the Power family runs into the Warriors Three and Hogun scares the Hela out of Alex. Also the Secret Wars II THOR issue, a team-up with Beta Ray Bill (who, as Katie rightly points out, isn't a human bean); Thor shows up and is really sweet to the kids. And of course the UNCANNY appearances, especially #205 (the Wolverine/Katie issue), and their cool assist of X-Factor during Fall of the Mutants. The Pack was one of the instrumental pieces of Marvel's '80s cohesion. Jason was the worst character to be Robin, but Stephanie had the worst tenure. Jason (post-Crisis, anyway) I could see, since he eventually became an example that not just any orphaned kid could do what Bruce and Dick did, that Bruce and Dick were extraordinary individuals. And then Tim comes along and has to prove his way into the job, in some ways even surpassing Dick. So naturally, someone had the bright idea to give Tim his own Jason, despite the fact that Dixon had already proven that Stephanie couldn't do the job that well anyway. But what the hell, she's just a kid; no one will care if she's tortured and killed and forgotten. Not like she's in Power Pack or anything (sorry Brian! Sometimes snark IS the kindest thing I can say!) POWER PACK was all sorts of effervescent fun. And yeah, props to the other writers of the time for using them. One of my faves was in THOR (Walt was her husband, he HAD to use them!) when the Power family runs into the Warriors Three and Hogun scares the Hela out of Alex. Also the Secret Wars II THOR issue, a team-up with Beta Ray Bill (who, as Katie rightly points out, isn't a human bean); Thor shows up and is really sweet to the kids. And of course the UNCANNY appearances, especially #205 (the Wolverine/Katie issue), and their cool assist of X-Factor during Fall of the Mutants. The Pack was one of the instrumental pieces of Marvel's '80s cohesion.

Jason was the worst character to be Robin, but Stephanie had the worst tenure. Jason (post-Crisis, anyway) I could see, since he eventually became an example that not just any orphaned kid could do what Bruce and Dick did, that Bruce and Dick were extraordinary individuals. And then Tim comes along and has to prove his way into the job, in some ways even surpassing Dick. So naturally, someone had the bright idea to give Tim his own Jason, despite the fact that Dixon had already proven that Stephanie couldn't do the job that well anyway. But what the hell, she's just a kid; no one will care if she's tortured and killed and forgotten. Not like she's in Power Pack or anything (sorry Brian! Sometimes snark IS the kindest thing I can say!)

]]> By: Mike M http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140676 Mike M Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:57:47 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140676 I rank as one of the few people who LIKE pre-death, post-crisis Jason Todd BECAUSE he was an asshole, annoying, and a fuckup, he was generally an interesting character, and one i found endearing and different. He might have been the worst at his job (dunno, Steph might be worse, I never read anything with her in it, besides her death) but he's second only to Dick in terms of my favorites. Although I don't like the direction or the explanation for Red Hood, I do hope that him being back might give a chance for Jason Todd stories down the line that I might enjoy I rank as one of the few people who LIKE pre-death, post-crisis Jason Todd BECAUSE he was an asshole, annoying, and a fuckup, he was generally an interesting character, and one i found endearing and different. He might have been the worst at his job (dunno, Steph might be worse, I never read anything with her in it, besides her death) but he's second only to Dick in terms of my favorites. Although I don't like the direction or the explanation for Red Hood, I do hope that him being back might give a chance for Jason Todd stories down the line that I might enjoy

]]> By: John Seavey http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140653 John Seavey Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:13:54 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140653 I really want an 'Essential Power Pack'. And yes, I know I said this about 'ROM', too. Doesn't make it any less true. I really want an 'Essential Power Pack'.

And yes, I know I said this about 'ROM', too. Doesn't make it any less true.

]]> By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140645 Brian Cronin Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:51:12 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140645 <blockquote>Doesn’t a question about ‘who is the worst’ violate the spirit of a snark-free zone?</blockquote> Snark-free just means that there isn't any snark. You can still criticize a book or character without snark. In fact, I think that's sometimes a fun challenge to do (which is why I include them occasionally), to see if you can criticize something without using snark, which has become such a critical crutch.

Doesn’t a question about ‘who is the worst’ violate the spirit of a snark-free zone?

Snark-free just means that there isn't any snark. You can still criticize a book or character without snark. In fact, I think that's sometimes a fun challenge to do (which is why I include them occasionally), to see if you can criticize something without using snark, which has become such a critical crutch.

]]> By: Jeff Albertson http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140601 Jeff Albertson Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:06:18 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140601 Pre-crisis Jason Todd actually had a reason to be "Robin" - his parents died helping Batman and Robin on a case,so Bruce Wayne had a reason for feeling responsible for him. Furthermore, since he had the same upbringing/background as Dick Grayson, Batman actually had a reason for thinking he'd do OK as a sidekick. The story of him becoming Robin was established over a long time - it wasn't something that Batman or Dick Grayson allowed lightly. In short, everything was done right to set him up as the logical and rightful successor. I can't talk about post-Crisis (more properly, post-Max Collins/Denny O'Neil) Jason Todd without violating the snark free requirement. Let's just say that there did not appear to be nearly as much thought put into either his or Batman's motivations for the revamped story. Power Pack by Simonson was quite good. I thought it fit nicely with the X-Men/New Mutants books of the same vintage. I like the new series by Sumerak and Gurihiru, but it's not the same. Pre-crisis Jason Todd actually had a reason to be "Robin" - his parents died helping Batman and Robin on a case,so Bruce Wayne had a reason for feeling responsible for him. Furthermore, since he had the same upbringing/background as Dick Grayson, Batman actually had a reason for thinking he'd do OK as a sidekick. The story of him becoming Robin was established over a long time - it wasn't something that Batman or Dick Grayson allowed lightly. In short, everything was done right to set him up as the logical and rightful successor.

I can't talk about post-Crisis (more properly, post-Max Collins/Denny O'Neil) Jason Todd without violating the snark free requirement. Let's just say that there did not appear to be nearly as much thought put into either his or Batman's motivations for the revamped story.

Power Pack by Simonson was quite good. I thought it fit nicely with the X-Men/New Mutants books of the same vintage. I like the new series by Sumerak and Gurihiru, but it's not the same.

]]> By: Crooow http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140584 Crooow Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:16:09 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140584 Not counting issue 16 (May/June 1942) where we had Clark and a Superman statue, the first Superman cover to show both Clark and Supes was Superman #30, September/October 1944. http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=3811&zoom=4 Not counting issue 16 (May/June 1942) where we had Clark and a Superman statue, the first Superman cover to show both Clark and Supes was Superman #30, September/October 1944.

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=3811&zoom=4

]]> By: The Mad Monkey http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140581 The Mad Monkey Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:09:30 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140581 aww crap...why didn't you include DC Comics Presents? well...I did...so there...nyah lol aww crap...why didn't you include DC Comics Presents?

well...I did...so there...nyah

lol

]]> By: The Mad Monkey http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140580 The Mad Monkey Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:06:40 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140580 The Cover Game...Part 2 http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=39747&zoom=4 The Cover Game...Part 2

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=39747&zoom=4

]]> By: The Mad Monkey http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140579 The Mad Monkey Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:02:12 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140579 The Cover Game...Part 1 http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=36717&zoom=4 The Cover Game...Part 1

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=36717&zoom=4

]]> By: Ian http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140547 Ian Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:14:37 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140547 The worst Robin would have to be the one that was barely a Robin at all. The Spoiler girl (that has been very prominent here these last couple days) seems to be the most pointless and least interesting Robin. The worst Robin would have to be the one that was barely a Robin at all. The Spoiler girl (that has been very prominent here these last couple days) seems to be the most pointless and least interesting Robin.

]]> By: Birmy http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140526 Birmy Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:13:57 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140526 I'm going to join the chorus in saying "Jason Todd." Annoying from the very beginning, he wasn't even good at his job; I was continually baffled by Batman's assertion for years after that he was a "good soldier." NO, HE WASN'T. He might have lived had he actually been a "good soldier." Plus, we now have to endure "Superboy Punch" Jason Todd, a plot development just behind "Norman Osborn impregnated Gwen Stacy" and "Nightcrawler's dad is a demon" in awfulness. Hmm, that wasn't snark-free at all, was it? Okay... ummmm: comics sure are neat! I'm going to join the chorus in saying "Jason Todd." Annoying from the very beginning, he wasn't even good at his job; I was continually baffled by Batman's assertion for years after that he was a "good soldier." NO, HE WASN'T. He might have lived had he actually been a "good soldier." Plus, we now have to endure "Superboy Punch" Jason Todd, a plot development just behind "Norman Osborn impregnated Gwen Stacy" and "Nightcrawler's dad is a demon" in awfulness.

Hmm, that wasn't snark-free at all, was it? Okay... ummmm: comics sure are neat!

]]> By: Matt D http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140521 Matt D Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:00:11 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140521 Characters aren't really better than other characters. They're just handled better. And every Robin except for maybe Tim has been handled horribly at one point or another. Stephanie was probably handled the worst. I think Jason is actually starting to turn around, FINALLY. Sardonic Jason Todd is a whole lot better than evil killer Jason Todd. Characters aren't really better than other characters. They're just handled better.

And every Robin except for maybe Tim has been handled horribly at one point or another.

Stephanie was probably handled the worst.

I think Jason is actually starting to turn around, FINALLY. Sardonic Jason Todd is a whole lot better than evil killer Jason Todd.

]]> By: Adam Jones http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140507 Adam Jones Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:43:38 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140507 Jason Todd. Nuff said... Jason Todd.

Nuff said...

]]> By: yo go re http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140490 yo go re Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:26:59 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140490 and the only thing I can think of for the cover theme is that they all had cartoons, but that "theme" could work for almost any of the cover games... and the only thing I can think of for the cover theme is that they all had cartoons, but that "theme" could work for almost any of the cover games...

]]> By: yo go re http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140480 yo go re Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:04:24 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140480 even if you split Jason Todd into pre- and post-Crisis incarnations, he's still the worst. Yes, after they changed his story he was a dark jerk who pushed things too far, but originally he was just a blatant clone of Dick Grayson in not only personality, but origin as well. How very unnecessary! I liked what became of Alex Power in New Warriors, years ago: having grown up, the kids found that they could swap powers at will and Alex, being the oldest, had the most control over it. So he'd borrow everyone's powers at once and go help the Wariors - hope the other kids didn't get in any scrapes while he was doing that, though... even if you split Jason Todd into pre- and post-Crisis incarnations, he's still the worst. Yes, after they changed his story he was a dark jerk who pushed things too far, but originally he was just a blatant clone of Dick Grayson in not only personality, but origin as well. How very unnecessary!

I liked what became of Alex Power in New Warriors, years ago: having grown up, the kids found that they could swap powers at will and Alex, being the oldest, had the most control over it. So he'd borrow everyone's powers at once and go help the Wariors - hope the other kids didn't get in any scrapes while he was doing that, though...

]]> By: GarBut http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/comment-page-1/#comment-140469 GarBut Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:23:39 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/07/23/snark-free-corner-for-723/#comment-140469 Here's another SNARK FREE CHALLENGE, hot on the heels of the COVER GAME: What's Archie's answer to Veronica on that cover? Here's another SNARK FREE CHALLENGE, hot on the heels of the COVER GAME:

What's Archie's answer to Veronica on that cover?

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