Comments on: Outrageous Retcon of a Beloved Comic Character's Origin! http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:17:37 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: BizarroBeachHead http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-147888 BizarroBeachHead Sat, 04 Aug 2007 02:39:41 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-147888 That's not as awesome as when Ben Reily started dating his daughter. ...yeah... That's not as awesome as when Ben Reily started dating his daughter.

...yeah...

]]> By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-147576 Brian Cronin Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:22:15 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-147576 <blockquote>So, in all those retcons, they still managed to never give “the Burglar” a name or backstory? I hope so, it reinforces the random nature of the kind of violence that Spidey tries to prevent from happening to others.</blockquote> Just don't read Amazing Spider-Man #200. ;)

So, in all those retcons, they still managed to never give “the Burglar” a name or backstory? I hope so, it reinforces the random nature of the kind of violence that Spidey tries to prevent from happening to others.

Just don't read Amazing Spider-Man #200. ;)

]]> By: Markm http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-147537 Markm Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:25:39 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-147537 So, in all those retcons, they still managed to never give "the Burglar" a name or backstory? I hope so, it reinforces the random nature of the kind of violence that Spidey tries to prevent from happening to others. So, in all those retcons, they still managed to never give "the Burglar" a name or backstory? I hope so, it reinforces the random nature of the kind of violence that Spidey tries to prevent from happening to others.

]]> By: Ian http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-146928 Ian Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:38:01 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-146928 "Quick JMS note, he summed it up beautifully when the tribal dude says something along the lines of: You say the earth orbits the sun. I say it orbits because the gods make it happen. It is what you choose to believe. Whether there are spider gods or not, the totems Spider-Man and his villains where are there. A lot of it was meant to be a thought put into his head, in my opinion. " Wow look, SOMEONE got the story. I am truly amazed. Spider-Man doesn't have to be some legendary being with a magical origin to have Spider powers. Additionally, he doesn't have to get his powers from the Spider Gods to fall into their jurisdiction (for lack of a better word) and get caught up in that world. Thats why the Other happened. Oh, and Captain Power the guy that was a really a girl or whatever that was ALSO in the explosion with Peter and Doc Ock who was only inserted so he/she could show up in the current stories? That is reason enough to hate Chapter One. "Quick JMS note, he summed it up beautifully when the tribal dude says something along the lines of: You say the earth orbits the sun. I say it orbits because the gods make it happen. It is what you choose to believe. Whether there are spider gods or not, the totems Spider-Man and his villains where are there. A lot of it was meant to be a thought put into his head, in my opinion. "

Wow look, SOMEONE got the story. I am truly amazed.

Spider-Man doesn't have to be some legendary being with a magical origin to have Spider powers. Additionally, he doesn't have to get his powers from the Spider Gods to fall into their jurisdiction (for lack of a better word) and get caught up in that world. Thats why the Other happened.

Oh, and Captain Power the guy that was a really a girl or whatever that was ALSO in the explosion with Peter and Doc Ock who was only inserted so he/she could show up in the current stories? That is reason enough to hate Chapter One.

]]> By: Graeme Burk http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-146858 Graeme Burk Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:58:42 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-146858 Of course that 'retcon' itself was then synthesized with the original 1962 version in the 1980s when they did ANOTHER version of the origin... Of course that 'retcon' itself was then synthesized with the original 1962 version in the 1980s when they did ANOTHER version of the origin...

]]> By: Elijah Fly http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-146710 Elijah Fly Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:25:26 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-146710 Quick JMS note, he summed it up beautifully when the tribal dude says something along the lines of: You say the earth orbits the sun. I say it orbits because the gods make it happen. It is what you choose to believe. Whether there are spider gods or not, the totems Spider-Man and his villains where are there. A lot of it was meant to be a thought put into his head, in my opinion. I myself see a fun bit of hokum meant to get Dr. Strange and Spidey to interact (which is always a good time for me. ) The Order is something that just can't be forgotten quick enough, but thank goodness Peter David recently seemed to sweep that away. Quick JMS note, he summed it up beautifully when the tribal dude says something along the lines of: You say the earth orbits the sun. I say it orbits because the gods make it happen. It is what you choose to believe. Whether there are spider gods or not, the totems Spider-Man and his villains where are there. A lot of it was meant to be a thought put into his head, in my opinion.

I myself see a fun bit of hokum meant to get Dr. Strange and Spidey to interact (which is always a good time for me. ) The Order is something that just can't be forgotten quick enough, but thank goodness Peter David recently seemed to sweep that away.

]]> By: Richard J. Marcej http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-146693 Richard J. Marcej Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:01:12 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-146693 And most importantly, IMO, "Chapter One" wasn't needed. And most importantly, IMO, "Chapter One" wasn't needed.

]]> By: Jeff Albertson http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-146683 Jeff Albertson Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:49:41 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-146683 As a long-time Byrne fan, I was thrilled that he was taking over Spider-Man, but I dropped Chapter One when he revealed that Sandman and Osborn were related -- because Steve Ditko used the same technique when drawing their hair. That's just a little too much navel-gazing for me. AS for the Spider-Man 94 origin -- I'm not outraged by it, but I also don't think that any of the changes strengthened the story at all. As a long-time Byrne fan, I was thrilled that he was taking over Spider-Man, but I dropped Chapter One when he revealed that Sandman and Osborn were related -- because Steve Ditko used the same technique when drawing their hair. That's just a little too much navel-gazing for me.

AS for the Spider-Man 94 origin -- I'm not outraged by it, but I also don't think that any of the changes strengthened the story at all.

]]> By: Omar Karindu http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-7249 Omar Karindu Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:29:40 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-7249 The major complaint a lot of readers have always had about Byrne's <I>Chapter One</I> has as much to do with the sense of overplotting as anything else. Absolutely nothing can happen in that story without having some kind of elaborate plot justification. The burglar cannot have stumbled into the Parker home, he must have cased it for days to steal the computer. Peter and Doctor Octopus can't have gotten powers in separate nuclear incidents months apart, they must now have been mutated in the same accident, and because Ock's origin involves a big explosion, Peter's does too. The various bad guys can't have simply happened to be bad guys in New York City, they must all have secretly been working for -- or even related to -- Norman Osborn. The wole series seems to want to eliminate "coincidence" wherever it turns up...except that, in the end, it simply creates more painfully elaborate coincidences in so doing. Of course the nuclear explosion would have two superhuman survivors, instead of just the one. Of course the burglar's long-term scheme to steal a computer would happen right after Peter gets his powers. And of course Norman Osborn, the ultra-mastermind, would fixate on Spider-Man <I>just as</I> all sorts of criminals gained powers accidentally and became available to puit against him. In effect, all the same coincidences are still there, but now the chains of events that converge by merest chance are even more internally complicated. Yes, I know...Ultimate Spider-Man kept some of the updqates. And Mark Millar did something very similar with Osborn (albeit that in that case, if you read carefully, the only villains Norman is directly responsible for are himself and the Scorpion; the rest are either genuinely coincidental, or the reuslt of the popular "success" of supervillainy.) But Byrne's <I>Chapter One</I> had the misfortune to come along almost immediately after Spider-Man readers had spent the better part of a decade being jerked around by big, flashy, and ultimately miserable changes and overplotted revelations. And as such, a lot of the backlash towards those tendencies in comicvs writing found a focal point in Byrne's series. (The questionable Electro, Vulture, and Ock redesigns -- again, so soon after both Ock and the Vulture had just been restored after being horribly redesigned or replaced -- didn't help much either.) It was mistimed and missold as a return to "classic" Spider-Man. It was arguably unnecessary, since next o none of the new plot elements introduced in the mini went anywhere in the relaunched Spider-Man comics. And in the last analysis was one of the early examples of Byrne's increasing tendency to write comics with a tone that I can only describe as pedantic, comics that apparently exist for the sole purpsoe of beating everyone over the head with Byrne's very particularist present views regarding story construction, "comics time," and "core concept." (The latter often seems in Byrne to be confused with a particular plot setup rather than with something more thematic or meta that drives the characters he reboots or "restores.") The major complaint a lot of readers have always had about Byrne's Chapter One has as much to do with the sense of overplotting as anything else. Absolutely nothing can happen in that story without having some kind of elaborate plot justification.

The burglar cannot have stumbled into the Parker home, he must have cased it for days to steal the computer. Peter and Doctor Octopus can't have gotten powers in separate nuclear incidents months apart, they must now have been mutated in the same accident, and because Ock's origin involves a big explosion, Peter's does too. The various bad guys can't have simply happened to be bad guys in New York City, they must all have secretly been working for -- or even related to -- Norman Osborn.

The wole series seems to want to eliminate "coincidence" wherever it turns up...except that, in the end, it simply creates more painfully elaborate coincidences in so doing. Of course the nuclear explosion would have two superhuman survivors, instead of just the one. Of course the burglar's long-term scheme to steal a computer would happen right after Peter gets his powers. And of course Norman Osborn, the ultra-mastermind, would fixate on Spider-Man just as all sorts of criminals gained powers accidentally and became available to puit against him. In effect, all the same coincidences are still there, but now the chains of events that converge by merest chance are even more internally complicated.

Yes, I know...Ultimate Spider-Man kept some of the updqates. And Mark Millar did something very similar with Osborn (albeit that in that case, if you read carefully, the only villains Norman is directly responsible for are himself and the Scorpion; the rest are either genuinely coincidental, or the reuslt of the popular "success" of supervillainy.) But Byrne's Chapter One had the misfortune to come along almost immediately after Spider-Man readers had spent the better part of a decade being jerked around by big, flashy, and ultimately miserable changes and overplotted revelations. And as such, a lot of the backlash towards those tendencies in comicvs writing found a focal point in Byrne's series. (The questionable Electro, Vulture, and Ock redesigns -- again, so soon after both Ock and the Vulture had just been restored after being horribly redesigned or replaced -- didn't help much either.)

It was mistimed and missold as a return to "classic" Spider-Man. It was arguably unnecessary, since next o none of the new plot elements introduced in the mini went anywhere in the relaunched Spider-Man comics. And in the last analysis was one of the early examples of Byrne's increasing tendency to write comics with a tone that I can only describe as pedantic, comics that apparently exist for the sole purpsoe of beating everyone over the head with Byrne's very particularist present views regarding story construction, "comics time," and "core concept." (The latter often seems in Byrne to be confused with a particular plot setup rather than with something more thematic or meta that drives the characters he reboots or "restores.")

]]> By: kelvingreen http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-7241 kelvingreen Sat, 09 Sep 2006 11:10:53 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-7241 Crusher should be The Other! Crusher should be The Other!

]]> By: Bill Reed http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-7171 Bill Reed Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:09:50 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-7171 I really liked that Crusher Hogan story in the later ASM issue (Manslaughter was, like, a new version of Man Mountian Marko). Crusher should show up more. It'd be fun. I really liked that Crusher Hogan story in the later ASM issue (Manslaughter was, like, a new version of Man Mountian Marko). Crusher should show up more. It'd be fun.

]]> By: Pedro Bouça http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-7127 Pedro Bouça Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:00:14 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-7127 The guy didn't work at the store. He was just around (staking it?) when Uncle Ben bought the computer and offered to help him carry it, probably to see where he lived. And this is getting a bit ridiculous now. There are criminals who kill people to rob 10 bucks or so. MANY of them! The Burglar wasn't a master criminal who robbed heavily guarded places to steal millions, but a third-rate petty criminal who broke into senior citizens' houses. Those guys are used to make just a few hundred bucks each job. Best, Hunter (Pedro Bouça) The guy didn't work at the store. He was just around
(staking it?) when Uncle Ben bought the computer and
offered to help him carry it, probably to see where he
lived.

And this is getting a bit ridiculous now. There are
criminals who kill people to rob 10 bucks or so. MANY of
them! The Burglar wasn't a master criminal who robbed
heavily guarded places to steal millions, but a
third-rate petty criminal who broke into senior citizens'
houses. Those guys are used to make just a few hundred
bucks each job.

Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)

]]> By: Tom Foss http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-7116 Tom Foss Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:20:45 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-7116 <i>Stupid criminals aren’t that farfetched…they’re actually quite common.</i> There's a difference between "stupid" and "casing a house for days because a guy bought a computer from the store where you work, where it would almost certainly be easier to steal a computer." Stupid criminals aren’t that farfetched…they’re actually quite common.
There's a difference between "stupid" and "casing a house for days because a guy bought a computer from the store where you work, where it would almost certainly be easier to steal a computer."

]]> By: yo http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-7110 yo Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:37:28 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-7110 kelvingreen said: "Hogan popped up again more recently in an issue of Tangled Web written by Azzarello. The comic told of Hogan’s story before he first met up with Spider-Man, and how exactly that meeting could have ruined his life. Great comic, that." Really great. It was co-written by professional wrestler Scott Levy (who more folks will probably know as Raven) and was called "The Last Shoot." That was a good bit of revisionism that 1) managed to update the story without seeming hokey and 2) didn't actually negate any of the previous appearances. It was issue #14, and I really recommend folks pick it up the next time they're going through the back issues. kelvingreen said: "Hogan popped up again more recently in an issue of Tangled Web written by Azzarello. The comic told of Hogan’s story before he first met up with Spider-Man, and how exactly that meeting could have ruined his life. Great comic, that."

Really great. It was co-written by professional wrestler Scott Levy (who more folks will probably know as Raven) and was called "The Last Shoot." That was a good bit of revisionism that 1) managed to update the story without seeming hokey and 2) didn't actually negate any of the previous appearances. It was issue #14, and I really recommend folks pick it up the next time they're going through the back issues.

]]> By: muldertp http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-7105 muldertp Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:56:41 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-7105 Not really. I've seen plenty of cases where burglars steal a computer and then pawn it for $50-$100. Of course, having a serial number means the pawn show requires a state ID, which makes the stupid criminal easy to track. Stupid criminals aren't that farfetched...they're actually quite common. Not really. I've seen plenty of cases where burglars steal a computer and then pawn it for $50-$100. Of course, having a serial number means the pawn show requires a state ID, which makes the stupid criminal easy to track.

Stupid criminals aren't that farfetched...they're actually quite common.

]]> By: Tom Foss http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-7092 Tom Foss Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:36:20 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-7092 <i>I won’t dispute your other complaints, but this one is a bit unreal.</i> I just know that reading it, at the tender age of fourteen, it seemed farfetched that a burglar would case a house and rob it just for a computer. If it were a more random robbery, sure. But for a burglar (who apparently works at the computer store) to case a house in order to break in and steal a computer seems not only absurd, but needlessly complicated. I won’t dispute your other complaints, but this one is a
bit unreal.
I just know that reading it, at the tender age of fourteen, it seemed farfetched that a burglar would case a house and rob it just for a computer. If it were a more random robbery, sure. But for a burglar (who apparently works at the computer store) to case a house in order to break in and steal a computer seems not only absurd, but needlessly complicated.

]]> By: Ditko Hands http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-7091 Ditko Hands Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:28:13 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-7091 Also about Chapter One: a huge number of complaints were due to Byrne combining origins of characters, particularly Spidey's and Doc Ock's powers resulting from an explosion. He said at the time that he wasn't actually changing anything, but the explosion was certainly an enormous change to anyone who cared about Spidey's origin. Also, I don't think anyone was asking for an explanation as to why Spidey's spider symbol on his back was blue for a brief moment (or remembered it, even), but Byrne felt the need to do so. Fan-wankery to the nth degree, and it looked ugly and rushed too. His old stuff was indeed better. Also about Chapter One: a huge number of complaints were due to Byrne combining origins of characters, particularly Spidey's and Doc Ock's powers resulting from an explosion. He said at the time that he wasn't actually changing anything, but the explosion was certainly an enormous change to anyone who cared about Spidey's origin. Also, I don't think anyone was asking for an explanation as to why Spidey's spider symbol on his back was blue for a brief moment (or remembered it, even), but Byrne felt the need to do so. Fan-wankery to the nth degree, and it looked ugly and rushed too. His old stuff was indeed better.

]]> By: Bryan http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-7087 Bryan Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:43:37 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-7087 "Anyeone else remember the issue of Amazing Spider-Man from the mid-80’s when Crusher Hogan reappeared?" ASM 271, the first issue of Amazing I ever bought. That was a weird time in Marvel history, because old characters started reappearing all at once (Hogan here, Betty Ross in The Hulk, Karen Page in Daredevil), and all I had at the time were old 1960s b&w reprint paperbacks of Spidey, DD and the Hulk, so I knew these characters, and it was kinda neat to see them ("Oh, Karen the secretary and Bruce's girlfriend have become drunken whores!"). I sort of wonder if that was due to the impending 25th anniversary of Marvel? "Anyeone else remember the issue of Amazing Spider-Man from the mid-80’s when Crusher Hogan reappeared?"

ASM 271, the first issue of Amazing I ever bought. That was a weird time in Marvel history, because old characters started reappearing all at once (Hogan here, Betty Ross in The Hulk, Karen Page in Daredevil), and all I had at the time were old 1960s b&w reprint paperbacks of Spidey, DD and the Hulk, so I knew these characters, and it was kinda neat to see them ("Oh, Karen the secretary and Bruce's girlfriend have become drunken whores!"). I sort of wonder if that was due to the impending 25th anniversary of Marvel?

]]> By: T. http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-7085 T. Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:56:53 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-7085 Oh okay, it must have been right after I stopped reading it. (I used to buy Marvel Tales regularly but the newstand by my house (yes newstand) stopped ordering it near shortly before the series officially ended. Oh okay, it must have been right after I stopped reading it. (I used to buy Marvel Tales regularly but the newstand by my house (yes newstand) stopped ordering it near shortly before the series officially ended.

]]> By: James http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/02/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/comment-page-1/#comment-7077 James Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:03:35 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/09/07/dealing-from-the-bottom-of-the-deck-outrageous-retcon-of-a-beloved-comic-characters-origin/#comment-7077 T - It was reprinted in Marvel Tales #281 (yes, I looked it up on the Mile High Comics website - I'm shameless). Marvel Tales was cancelled less than a year later. T -

It was reprinted in Marvel Tales #281 (yes, I looked it up on the Mile High Comics website - I'm shameless). Marvel Tales was cancelled less than a year later.

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