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8/6 – If Only…

Marvel would take Grant Morrison’s awesome Marvel Boy character and make him “in continuity” and lame.

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Surely the idea of Noh-Varr, zen fascist, world destroyer, genetically engineered Kree super soldier who wants nothing more than to bring Heaven to Earth by force, would make a perfect superhero! Perhaps he could even be… Captain Marvel?

It’s a great idea! Who could possibly hate it?

I mean, it’s not like the original mini was superb or The Authority done right or anything, right?

Who’s with me? Eh? Eh?

I am!

What’s Morrison ever done for The Comics anyway? Besides widening the horizons of the art with his unfettered cosmic imagination and ceaseless will to experiment. Besides that.

I mean, really, Bendis writing a Morrison character? Who else is picturing the scene in Zoolander where Stiller is trying to use the PC? No one, huh? Works nicely for me.

Boob window!

… I got nothing else.

Wasn’t Marvel Boy the first “unofficial” Ultimate Universe title?

That looks good, some really awesome art. And it’s written by Bendis? Where is it from? Looks like it could be good.

Off-handedly Quesada mentioned it MIGHT be the first Ultimate Universe title. Apparently it has since been changed.

As for the character itself… I’m just happy he’s being used at all. After so many one-shots and minis in the 90s where characters were just COMPLETLY ignored and the only way to create a new character was by shoe-horning them into the Avengers or something, I’m glad that Marvel is using some of the ideas and characters (Sentry, Nextwave, Marvel Boy) instead of discarding them forever.

That art up top is from Zeb Wells and Stefano Casselli’s Civil War: Young Avengers/Runaways special.

Bendis wrote Noh-var in New Avengers: Illuminati #4, which came out last week. Jimmy Cheung drew that one.

That picture is from last years Young Avengers/Runaways Civil War mini, written by Zeb Wells.

Bendis and Reed have reintroduced Marvel Boy into Illuminati #4 last week. Not really sure why this art is being used for the point being made though.

Wait..make him lame…I read the mini series…he came from the store that way.

You were clearly reading it wrong.

Whew, that’s some ugly art!

“Grant Morrison’s” Marvel Boy? Excuse me, but Marvel owns the damn character and may do whatever it wants with him!

Better characters than him have been ruined by the big publishers on the past…

Best,
Hunter (Pedro Bouça)

I was so much happier before I knew this.

And this is why Grant Morrison should never write comics in a shared universe. “I’m going to end my miniseries on a cliffhanger, but I don’t actually intend to write a sequel–I’m giving this idea to the publisher, to let later writers do whatever they want with it.”

“Ewwwww, that’s not what GRANT MORRISON would have done with it! You’ve desecrated his brilliant ideas! They should have just cancelled all the X-Men comics once he’d finished with them, so that nobody could tarnish his creation! He should just be forced to write everything forever! Batman #666 is good! All-Star Superman isn’t plagarism, it’s deconstruction!”

…and so on. (Note to the sarcasm-impaired: This is a hyperbolic exaggeration of Grant Morrison fandom; it’s obviously not meant to apply to any one specific person. Especially not you, man. Because you’re cool. :) )

Well, Morrison had an idea for a Marvel Boy sequel. It was going to be get treat Kirby’s mythology as a religion and be really cosmic. Jemas canceled it for pretty much being “too” cosmic.

All-Star Superman isn’t plagarism, it’s deconstruction!

Actually, it’s neither. If anything, it’s REconstruction.

…and they probably would’ve been better off if they DID cancel all the X-books after him, but, you know, many people disagree with me on that. Hah.

Let ‘em muck with Marvel Boy. The original is still intact. Shame about that sequel.

Well, based on what was in the YA/R mini, it looked like they were positioning him to be an antagonist for the Young Avengers. Which could work.

I dunno what Bendis did with him in Illuminati, but it probably sucked.

I think I liked the Avengers/Runaways thing alright. But it’s been a looooong time since I read Marvel Boy.

Why was whatever was lame lame?

Why does it matter? If it doesn’t result in an entertaining story, you can just ignore it and it’s like the character never came back. The original mini doesn’t retroactively turn to crap because of it.

I faithfully collected the Marvel Boy stuff years ago. Wasn’t he actually from a completely different dimension? It seems to me that the first book detailed the fact that his family’s ship was careening through dozens of bizarre dimensions and they just happened to land in the marvel universe one. I also seem to remember that he had weaponry far beyond what the Kree were capable of at the time, and he was endowed with the powers of a cockroach.

I thought Illuminati #4 should have stuck with the guys whining about women and avoided the whole “reform Marvel Boy” thing.

Has the time-displaced Mar-vell been seen since Civil War? Maybe they could start a “Mar-vell” family book with the original, the boy, the daughter who is in Annihilation just now, and Monica Rambeau. Maybe they could get Tigra as the talking tiger character.

I dunno what Bendis did with him in Illuminati, but it probably sucked.

And you’d be amazingly wrong about that.

Bendis and Reed have reintroduced Marvel Boy into Illuminati #4 last week. Not really sure why this art is being used for the point being made though.

Because THIS book did indeed try to introduce Noh-Varr to the regular universe and make him lame. Bendis’ book accepted that introduction and saved the character from lameness.

For now…

Actually, it’s neither. If anything, it’s REconstruction.

…and they probably would’ve been better off if they DID cancel all the X-books after him, but, you know, many people disagree with me on that. Hah.

Let ‘em muck with Marvel Boy. The original is still intact. Shame about that sequel.

Man. The Kool-Aid is strong in this one. :p

I very much doubt Bendis intended it, but did anyone else get the impression Illuminati #4 was an analogy for Morrison’s behaviour while at and departure from Marvel?

I don’t have the issue to hand, having burnt it on a big fire, but I formed that impression very early on in the issue and it seems a rather pointless issue without such an interpretation.

Just me then? Thought so :)

Man. The Kool-Aid is strong in this one. :p

Meh. I’d still like G-Mozz comics even if they were universally reviled.

Remember, I also own a complete run of Sleepwalker and fondly remember Thunderstrike and Ravage 2099.

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