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	<title>Comments on: How would you prefer Mary Jane to die?</title>
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		<title>By: stef</title>
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		<dc:creator>stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>she should die of an overdose on  heroin ,cuz life was just to much=]</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two words: Hulk Sex.</description>
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		<title>By: Acidhag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acidhag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Millar retcons Mary Jane to be Petey&#039;s sister, both mothered by May, as previously written in that EPIC title he wrote (you know, the only one that sold?).  They both go, &quot;Eww,&quot; and henceforth only give awkward waves to each other at cookouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Millar retcons Mary Jane to be Petey's sister, both mothered by May, as previously written in that EPIC title he wrote (you know, the only one that sold?).  They both go, "Eww," and henceforth only give awkward waves to each other at cookouts.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan (other Dan)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan (other Dan)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doomsday, but it&#039;ll turn out to be Amalgam universe Mary Lane Watson-Kent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doomsday, but it'll turn out to be Amalgam universe Mary Lane Watson-Kent.</p>
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		<title>By: John Seavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Seavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but how&#039;s she going to die? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but how's she going to die? <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Quesada is going to eat her.</description>
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		<title>By: FunkyGreenJerusalem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunkyGreenJerusalem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Iâ€™m always vexed when comics readers actually advocate for the Illusion of Change. Itâ€™s a narrative style designed to trick children into thinking something has happened and characters are growing when in fact nothing has happened and they arenâ€™t growing, and everything will be the same when they come back next time.

Why would a reader who is intelligent enough to be aware of this style actually desire it? 

In this case, what change would you prefer Marvel create an illusion of? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

What long running comic series are you reading where you don&#039;t think that&#039;s happening?

The X-men have yet to make humans and mutants equal.

Batman can save the world, but he still can&#039;t save gotham.

Superman&#039;s still superman, no matter what they&#039;ve done to him.

I&#039;m shocked that you can be aware of the theory of &#039;illusion of change&#039; and think that it isn&#039;t happening in nearly every superhero comic from the big two.

And as for me desiring it? Yeah, sure. I only read books that have creators I&#039;m interested in, so I don&#039;t get too bored with characters.
If everything I read had it, nah, maybe not, but I like Spiderman being in roughly the same spot he was in last time I read him for when the next writer comes along.
I mean, since I&#039;ve started reading comics, 12 years ago, he really hasn&#039;t gone through that many changes (last year excepted - and that all seemed weird to me).
Sure there have been minor cast changes, setting changes, but nothing too major has happened.
That&#039;s the illusion of change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Iâ€™m always vexed when comics readers actually advocate for the Illusion of Change. Itâ€™s a narrative style designed to trick children into thinking something has happened and characters are growing when in fact nothing has happened and they arenâ€™t growing, and everything will be the same when they come back next time.</p>
<p>Why would a reader who is intelligent enough to be aware of this style actually desire it? </p>
<p>In this case, what change would you prefer Marvel create an illusion of? </p></blockquote>
<p>What long running comic series are you reading where you don't think that's happening?</p>
<p>The X-men have yet to make humans and mutants equal.</p>
<p>Batman can save the world, but he still can't save gotham.</p>
<p>Superman's still superman, no matter what they've done to him.</p>
<p>I'm shocked that you can be aware of the theory of 'illusion of change' and think that it isn't happening in nearly every superhero comic from the big two.</p>
<p>And as for me desiring it? Yeah, sure. I only read books that have creators I'm interested in, so I don't get too bored with characters.<br />
If everything I read had it, nah, maybe not, but I like Spiderman being in roughly the same spot he was in last time I read him for when the next writer comes along.<br />
I mean, since I've started reading comics, 12 years ago, he really hasn't gone through that many changes (last year excepted - and that all seemed weird to me).<br />
Sure there have been minor cast changes, setting changes, but nothing too major has happened.<br />
That's the illusion of change.</p>
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		<title>By: Patent Dragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patent Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brain haemorrhage. In her sleep. Nice and natural, but spawning totally unjustified Spider-rage against presumed assassins...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brain haemorrhage. In her sleep. Nice and natural, but spawning totally unjustified Spider-rage against presumed assassins...</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is Marvel Comics, where rape is a bonus character motivation (see Hardy, Felicia). So, MJ will be raped to death by the Kingpin&#039;s minions, only she&#039;ll experience a cosmic rebirth so she&#039;ll lose all of her memories while Peter keeps his, creating DRAMA and ANGST~!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is Marvel Comics, where rape is a bonus character motivation (see Hardy, Felicia). So, MJ will be raped to death by the Kingpin's minions, only she'll experience a cosmic rebirth so she'll lose all of her memories while Peter keeps his, creating DRAMA and ANGST~!</p>
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		<title>By: h3yd</title>
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		<dc:creator>h3yd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the last page of Omega Flight 5, there seems to be an ad for a costumed super-heroine fighting alongside Spider-Man with...long, flowing red hair?  Could MJ decide to be some kind of superhero, or am I just way off base and not checking wiki fast enough?  Pretty sure I&#039;ve never heard of or seen this mystery woman before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the last page of Omega Flight 5, there seems to be an ad for a costumed super-heroine fighting alongside Spider-Man with...long, flowing red hair?  Could MJ decide to be some kind of superhero, or am I just way off base and not checking wiki fast enough?  Pretty sure I've never heard of or seen this mystery woman before.</p>
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		<title>By: stillanerd</title>
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		<dc:creator>stillanerd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Joe Q has stated that, since marriage makes Spidey  &quot;too old&quot; having him be a widower or divorcee would make him even older. That means the only option left is some kind of magical mindwipe or DC style alteration of the space/time continuity a la Superboy Prime&#039;s retcon punch.  I&#039;m leaning towards the later, especially since that hand holding that fragment could very well be the alternative future Spider-Man from AMS #500 a couple of years back, also by JMS, and that &quot;One More Day&quot; will basically show how this future comes about before we get into all kind of time-travel nonsense.

And the catalyst? Well, over at Millarworld, there&#039;s one guy who suggests that Spidey makes a deal with Mephisto to save his Aunt May but it ends up losing Mary Jane as a result, or at least has the marriage wipe-out of existence.  Course he&#039;s also suggesting Gwen Stacy makes a reapparence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Joe Q has stated that, since marriage makes Spidey  "too old" having him be a widower or divorcee would make him even older. That means the only option left is some kind of magical mindwipe or DC style alteration of the space/time continuity a la Superboy Prime's retcon punch.  I'm leaning towards the later, especially since that hand holding that fragment could very well be the alternative future Spider-Man from AMS #500 a couple of years back, also by JMS, and that "One More Day" will basically show how this future comes about before we get into all kind of time-travel nonsense.</p>
<p>And the catalyst? Well, over at Millarworld, there's one guy who suggests that Spidey makes a deal with Mephisto to save his Aunt May but it ends up losing Mary Jane as a result, or at least has the marriage wipe-out of existence.  Course he's also suggesting Gwen Stacy makes a reapparence.</p>
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		<title>By: Annoyed Grunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annoyed Grunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they need to do something original and classy.  They should turn her in to ice and shatter her.</description>
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		<title>By: The Dane</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what will happen is that Peter will become a WoW widow when MJ becomes addicted to raids, guild drama, and grinding Netherwing rep. Pete introduces her to the game after she stops getting modeling/acting gigs, hoping to give her something to do during the dreary hours of her day, while waiting for callbacks. This is the best possible solution for Joey Q. MJ is good as dead - as are all victims of warcrack. And Peter feels the weight of great responsibility as it was he who introduced her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what will happen is that Peter will become a WoW widow when MJ becomes addicted to raids, guild drama, and grinding Netherwing rep. Pete introduces her to the game after she stops getting modeling/acting gigs, hoping to give her something to do during the dreary hours of her day, while waiting for callbacks. This is the best possible solution for Joey Q. MJ is good as dead - as are all victims of warcrack. And Peter feels the weight of great responsibility as it was he who introduced her.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t wait to someone smoke some &quot;Mary Jane&quot;...maybe Jay and Silent-Bob show up and mistake her for their stash.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't wait to someone smoke some "Mary Jane"...maybe Jay and Silent-Bob show up and mistake her for their stash.....</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does she have to die?  Why not just make her crazy when the Wasp asks her about Mayday Parker and have MJ be responsible for the deaths of Thor, Ant Man, and the Vision?  And then send her to Europe and never speak of her again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does she have to die?  Why not just make her crazy when the Wasp asks her about Mayday Parker and have MJ be responsible for the deaths of Thor, Ant Man, and the Vision?  And then send her to Europe and never speak of her again...</p>
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		<title>By: MarkAndrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkAndrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve totally got it.  We were all completely on the wrong track.

Mary Jane isn&#039;t going to die.  She&#039;s going to kill Aunt May.  (Probably with Uncle Ben&#039;s frozen corpse.)  Then she&#039;ll turn into the New Venom or something.

See?  It&#039;s all so obvious!  

(I tried to work some rape in their somewhere, but I couldn&#039;t think of a way to do it.  This is what separates amateurs like me from professional comic writers like Brad Metzler.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've totally got it.  We were all completely on the wrong track.</p>
<p>Mary Jane isn't going to die.  She's going to kill Aunt May.  (Probably with Uncle Ben's frozen corpse.)  Then she'll turn into the New Venom or something.</p>
<p>See?  It's all so obvious!  </p>
<p>(I tried to work some rape in their somewhere, but I couldn't think of a way to do it.  This is what separates amateurs like me from professional comic writers like Brad Metzler.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jaleel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaleel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s not possible to get her in a fistfight with Bullseye, definitely have her ganked by Mephisto</description>
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		<title>By: DaveB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait... Spider-Man still has a comic book?</description>
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		<title>By: Davarino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davarino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Iâ€™m always vexed when comics readers actually advocate for the Illusion of Change. Itâ€™s a narrative style designed to trick children into thinking something has happened and characters are growing when in fact nothing has happened and they arenâ€™t growing, and everything will be the same when they come back next time.&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s not the definition for illusion of change, but of status quo - as already pointed out by the Fragmented In Defense article.

Everything I like, everything &lt;b&gt;you&lt;/b&gt; like has a status quo.  We each see value in certain types of stories and want to see them continue, as long as they&#039;re of quality.

The &quot;illusion of change&quot; comment above was likely an acknowledgement that apparently **some** people apparently need to see Spider-Man get older, get grey hair.  Probably just because it&#039;s happening to them.

I think that&#039;s crazy.  And egomaniacal.  Spider-Man existed before most of us were born.  Same as Superman, or Batman.  They&#039;re going to outlive us...not age like a &quot;real&quot; person.

And MJ will not be married to Spider-Man forever...because that&#039;s simply not according-to-Hoyle Spidey.  It&#039;s just not his identity.  Therefore - it&#039;s only a matter of time before someone at Marvel has the marbles to act accordingly.

But I&#039;m still kinda doubtful that it&#039;s going to be Quesada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Iâ€™m always vexed when comics readers actually advocate for the Illusion of Change. Itâ€™s a narrative style designed to trick children into thinking something has happened and characters are growing when in fact nothing has happened and they arenâ€™t growing, and everything will be the same when they come back next time.</b></p>
<p>That's not the definition for illusion of change, but of status quo - as already pointed out by the Fragmented In Defense article.</p>
<p>Everything I like, everything <b>you</b> like has a status quo.  We each see value in certain types of stories and want to see them continue, as long as they're of quality.</p>
<p>The "illusion of change" comment above was likely an acknowledgement that apparently **some** people apparently need to see Spider-Man get older, get grey hair.  Probably just because it's happening to them.</p>
<p>I think that's crazy.  And egomaniacal.  Spider-Man existed before most of us were born.  Same as Superman, or Batman.  They're going to outlive us...not age like a "real" person.</p>
<p>And MJ will not be married to Spider-Man forever...because that's simply not according-to-Hoyle Spidey.  It's just not his identity.  Therefore - it's only a matter of time before someone at Marvel has the marbles to act accordingly.</p>
<p>But I'm still kinda doubtful that it's going to be Quesada.</p>
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		<title>By: Mullon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mullon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She dies finally taking down the Hulk where everyone else failed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She dies finally taking down the Hulk where everyone else failed.</p>
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