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John Seavey’s Storytelling Engines: The Brave and the Bold
Here’s the latest Storytelling Engine from John Seavey. Click here to read John’s description of what a Storytelling Engine IS, anyways. Check out more of them at his blog, Fraggmented.
Storytelling Engines: The Brave and the Bold
(or “The BATMAN Team-Ups?!”)
When a modern comics fan looks at the era of ‘The Brave and the Bold’ collected in DC’s “Showcase Presents” series, it’s pretty likely that they see a storytelling engine similar to that in Marvel Team-Up. Sure, Batman replaces Spider-Man as the “notoriously anti-social, lone wolf superhero”, but apart from that, they’re pretty much identical.
Except that modern comics fans are familiar with a different Batman, and to some extent a different DC universe than the one presented in ‘Brave and the Bold’. A pre-Crisis, pre-Frank Miller Batman wasn’t a “notoriously anti-social” superhero; in fact, it’s only in relatively recent DC history that the notion of an anti-social hero gained currency at all.
What we’re talking about here is, again, the notion of a macroscopic storytelling engine. Over the years, DC made a decision–not necessarily a conscious decision, but a decision nonetheless–to have their super-heroes be fundamentally group-friendly. Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Flash, et cetera et cetera–when they met up, their basic reaction was to assume the best of this other super-hero and work together. ‘The Brave and the Bold’ represents one way this can work to help generate stories; Batman seems fundamentally more comfortable teaming up with other super-heroes than Spider-Man ever did, despite the fact that we’re now used to thinking of him as a scowling loner who builds giant killer satellites to “take out” rogue capes.
Part of the reason that modern Batman is so different from his pre-Frank Miller counterpart is that Marvel, when they began their Silver Age dominance, took a different approach on the macroscopic level. They decided–again, not necessarily consciously–that their super-heroes would default to suspicion. After all, who’s to say that the mysterious caped and masked stranger with a warrant out for their arrest is really a nice person at heart? This, in turn, provided its own set of storytelling opportunities. It meant that many times, the meeting of two super-heroes was in and of itself a story (such as early issues of ‘Fantastic Four’ and ‘Avengers’, where the Sub-Mariner and the Hulk were sometimes antagonists there and protagonists elsewhere.)
The Marvel approach struck a major chord with comics fans, and over the years DC has tried to play “catch-up” by introducing their own anti-heroes, and by trying to create friction between its existing heroes. But even today, you can see the difference between the two universes in structure and approach. In DC, Oracle unites the heroes with communication and assistance, making sure that not even Batman is really alone. On the Marvel end, well…’Civil War’ really does sort of say it all, doesn’t it? Both totally different ways at looking at super-heroes as a group dynamic, but each one opening and closing different doors of storytelling opportunities.
And fittingly, this has involved a returning ‘Brave and the Bold’ title, complete with the same rotating cast of super-heroes. Although the less social modern Batman plays a less prominent part, he’s still joining in. Some things never change.






6 Comments
Levantine
August 21, 2007 at 1:09 pm
Seems like you kind of got off of the B&B storytelling engine there.
Apodaca
August 21, 2007 at 3:15 pm
Yeah, are we missing a part of the article?
FunkyGreenJerusalem
August 21, 2007 at 9:38 pm
What’s the engine for B&B?
Tornado Ninja Fan #1
August 22, 2007 at 1:36 am
It seems the B&B story engine goes like this:
Act 1: Batman fights enemies. Other superhero(es) fight(s) same enemies.
Act 2: Batman and other superhero(es) meet (while fighting the enemies).
“Hey Bats. What’s up?”
“Fighting crime. Having a bud”
“Cool. Let’s fight together.”
Act 3: Batman and other superhero(es) beat enemies.
John Seavey
August 22, 2007 at 4:17 am
Sorry, the original version of the article on my website had “Marvel Team-Up” as a link to the actual article about “Marvel Team-Up”, because really, apart from the fact that it features Batman instead of Spider-Man, they’re kind of the same comic.
So instead of a paragraph repeating the details of what happens in a team-up comic, I just linked my previous article.
Somewhere along the line, the link must have gotten turned into ordinary text, which does put the burden on the reader to go re-read the entry on ‘Marvel Team-Up’. But it’s in the archives, and if you just pretend there’s a link there and go read it, wow will this all make a lot more sense! (This article was originally intended to go a while back, closer to the ‘Marvel Team-Up’ article, but the Spider-Man stuff got in the way, and then I got distracted, and this is the first time I got back to the idea. The ‘Marvel Two-In-One’ column will, I hope, be placed closer to its spiritual cousins.)
FunkyGreenJerusalem
August 23, 2007 at 5:39 pm
So there was no real engine then?