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		<title>By: Random stuff &#124; good old reliable jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random stuff &#124; good old reliable jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wait, who was Witness again? Ah, thank you Wiki &#8211; but that clearly makes no sense at all! Was the Witness really intended to be Gambit as originally (very strongly) hinted at? And why did it change? Sounds like a job for Urban Legends&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wait, who was Witness again? Ah, thank you Wiki &#8211; but that clearly makes no sense at all! Was the Witness really intended to be Gambit as originally (very strongly) hinted at? And why did it change? Sounds like a job for Urban Legends&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TJCoolguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJCoolguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 00:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, broken link, boo! Google image search it is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, broken link, boo! Google image search it is!</p>
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		<title>By: TJCoolguy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 00:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Redfox art is gorgeous! I&#039;m going to click on Fox&#039;s post up there right now and chack out his other work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Redfox art is gorgeous! I&#8217;m going to click on Fox&#8217;s post up there right now and chack out his other work!</p>
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		<title>By: Dalton Silva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalton Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the time that Weapon X series (the Wolverine secret origin) was released, Barry Smith told in an interview that he had a lot of unfinished works, like a Hulk graphic novel that had at that time 100 - up pages. But his style had changed and there was no chance for finishing the story.

Told that, I think that it is absurd saying that someone stole his ideas.

About the Harlan Ellison thing, there is a lot of EC comics stories that suffer from the same thing regarding Ray Bradbury. Man... I think inspiration comes from a lot of places (you have the Terminator movie as an example). 

When one says about someone&#039;s habit of stealing ideas, he must be very careful!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the time that Weapon X series (the Wolverine secret origin) was released, Barry Smith told in an interview that he had a lot of unfinished works, like a Hulk graphic novel that had at that time 100 &#8211; up pages. But his style had changed and there was no chance for finishing the story.</p>
<p>Told that, I think that it is absurd saying that someone stole his ideas.</p>
<p>About the Harlan Ellison thing, there is a lot of EC comics stories that suffer from the same thing regarding Ray Bradbury. Man&#8230; I think inspiration comes from a lot of places (you have the Terminator movie as an example). </p>
<p>When one says about someone&#8217;s habit of stealing ideas, he must be very careful!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: ParanoidObsessive</title>
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		<dc:creator>ParanoidObsessive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; Yâ€™know I JUST realized that Marvel did a One Month Later kind of thing with Secret Wars similar to what DC did with the One Year Later.

Well, technically, it would have been &quot;Six Months Later&quot;, since the heroes were on Battleworld for six months, if I recall correctly.



&gt;&gt;&gt; Iâ€™m not sure whether The Witness was originally intended to be Gambit, although Iâ€™d place my money on it.

Well, in his first appearance, it was revealled that the real name of The Witness was also the real name of Gambit (and, in fact, Bishop making that connection was the first time Gambit&#039;s real name was ever actually revealled), so either they were originally intended to be one and the same, or the intent was to at least trick everyone into thinking they were one in the same.



&gt;&gt;&gt; I could most definitely be wrong here,but I just remember him being involved in the Mastrmold/Nimrod batrtel in New York when the team went through the crystal at the end of the issue.

The Master Mold/Nimrod fight was in 246-247, at the end of which Rogue was sucked into the Siege along with the giant robot.  The other X-Men didn&#039;t enter the Siege until issue 250.  Longshot left in-between those two events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Yâ€™know I JUST realized that Marvel did a One Month Later kind of thing with Secret Wars similar to what DC did with the One Year Later.</p>
<p>Well, technically, it would have been &#8220;Six Months Later&#8221;, since the heroes were on Battleworld for six months, if I recall correctly.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; Iâ€™m not sure whether The Witness was originally intended to be Gambit, although Iâ€™d place my money on it.</p>
<p>Well, in his first appearance, it was revealled that the real name of The Witness was also the real name of Gambit (and, in fact, Bishop making that connection was the first time Gambit&#8217;s real name was ever actually revealled), so either they were originally intended to be one and the same, or the intent was to at least trick everyone into thinking they were one in the same.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; I could most definitely be wrong here,but I just remember him being involved in the Mastrmold/Nimrod batrtel in New York when the team went through the crystal at the end of the issue.</p>
<p>The Master Mold/Nimrod fight was in 246-247, at the end of which Rogue was sucked into the Siege along with the giant robot.  The other X-Men didn&#8217;t enter the Siege until issue 250.  Longshot left in-between those two events.</p>
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		<title>By: Desert Son</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desert Son</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How low does your self-esteem have to be for the only way to boost it is bying calling fans of a comic character &quot;stupid?&quot;  I&#039;d imagine pretty fucking low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How low does your self-esteem have to be for the only way to boost it is bying calling fans of a comic character &#8220;stupid?&#8221;  I&#8217;d imagine pretty fucking low.</p>
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		<dc:creator>The mondego group wiki xwiki buy ultram.</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ultram.&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Comics Should Be Good! &#187; Marvel Comics Comic Book Urban Legends</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comics Should Be Good! &#187; Marvel Comics Comic Book Urban Legends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] * Kitty Pryde was in the original treatment for Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars, but was removed before the comic was released. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Comics Should Be Good! &#187; Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed History</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comics Should Be Good! &#187; Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] #100 - The Scorpion was originally going to be the child of Viper and Silver Samurai  Marvel Adventures: Fantastic Four #12 was an intentional knock-off of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang  Chris Elopoulos draws the Mini-Marvels series.  Jay Faerber&#8217;s run on Titans featured some prominent supporting characters that were not in Jay&#8217;s intended plan for the series.  Walter Simonson compiled a list of all the appearances of Doctor Doom in comics and determined which ones were actually Doom and which ones were Doom-bots.  #101 - Jim Shooter got the idea for Spider-Manâ€™s black costume from a piece of fan fiction.  The dentist of the Superman movieâ€™s producerâ€™s wife auditioned for the role of Superman.  The clone of the Guardian was originally going to be a member of the New Warriors.  #102 - Marvel came out with a Broadway musical starring Captain America.  One of the members of Youngblood was originally announced as a cast member of the New Mutants.  Justice League Unlimited had to create the Justice Guild at the last minute for their Legends episode, because DC would not let them use the Justice Society.  #103 - Orson Welles was planning on doing a Batman film in the 1940s.  DC had a completed Xena/Wonder Woman crossover comic book but decided not to publish it..  Marvel and DC taking turns making crossover comics resulted in George Perez missing out on X-Men/Teen Titans  #104 - DC Comics almost bought Diamond Comics Distrubutors.  A character who was appropriate enough for a DC cartoon was found not appropriate for a DC toy.  There was purple Kryptonite.  #105 - Jack Kirby was okay with DC redrawing his Superman faces.  DC redrew Supermanâ€™s face on a comic drawn by the same person who designed Superman on the popular Super Friends TV series.  Marvel had Dave Cockrum redraw the X-Men in an X-Men guest appearance in a John Byrne-drawn issue of Iron Fist.  #106 - Jesus Christ was a supporting character in Ghost Rider.  The second volume of Ghost Rider was not supposed to be an ongoing series.  Howard Mackie took an issue to trash anything that had happened in Ghost Rider since he left the book.  #107 - The Fantastic Four were going to wear masks originally.  Steve Englehart came up with an interesting plot to protest his exit from the Fantastic Four.  Steve Englehartâ€™s Silver Surfer book was designed as the Surfer exploring outer space.  #108 - J.M. DeMatteis finished the story from a canceled Marvel comic series in a DC comic series.  Steve Epting broke into comics by entering a non-existent contest!  Chuck Dixon was the original writer on Heroes Reborn Captain America  #109 - Marvel had an agreement with Frank Miller that they would not bring Elektra back unless Miller wanted to do so  Harvey created Little Aubrey to avoid having to license Little Lulu.  The sequel to Batman: The Cult became a Punisher mini-series.  #110 - A comic character was made an actual citizen in Japan!  The Astro Boy name came about because NBC was afraid DC would sue them over the name â€œThe Mighty Atom.â€  In Japan, the re-runs of Astro Boy they use are sub-titled American versions.  #111 - Marvel Comics once had a line of female superhero comic books.  Thor appeared in a Marvel Comic BEFORE the Silver Age!  A doppleganger of Superman created in a special Superman comic was originally intended to be the way for Superman to return from the dead after his death against Doomsday.  #112 - Marv Wolfman got his job working on the Superman animated series not because of his comic work, but because of his Garbage Pail Kids work.  Marvel published a toy tie-in comic book without an actually toy to tie-into!  Casper the Friendly Ghost was not known as Casper until the first issue of his comic book, four years after he first debuted!  #113 - Jack Kirby left DC because he thought they lied to him about the sales of his New Gods titles in order to pay him less money  The Superman radio show had a drastically different origin for Superman  JM DeMatteis changed a storyline in Justice League of America because he didnâ€™t know how the story was supposed to go.  #114 - Disney once had a series of Mickey Mouse comic strips depicting Mickey trying various ways of killing himself.  DC had to change the name of their Helix line of comic books because of the Shadowrun role playing game.  Bernie Wrightson once thought he had some sort of disease due to the paint brush he was using.  #115 - Marvel had a line of female heroine comic books in the 1970s.  Disney once kept a company from publishing comic strips that, at the time, were most likely in the public domain.  Al Milgrom was blacklisted from Marvel Comics after he snuck an insult of Bob Harras into a comic book.  #116 - Marvel got rid of the X-Ternals because of threats of litigation by the Highlander folks.  Scott Lobdell introduced Onslaught without knowing who or what Onslaught was.  Larry Hamaâ€™s origin for M and Penance was not what Scott Lobdell originally intended for the characters.  #117 - Kitty Pryde was in the original treatment for Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars, but was removed before the comic was released.  Marvel and DC only trademarked â€œsuperheroâ€ because Mego trademarked it first.  Marvel took a British comic book character and basically just put her into Alpha Flight wholesale.  Ta da! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] #100 &#8211; The Scorpion was originally going to be the child of Viper and Silver Samurai  Marvel Adventures: Fantastic Four #12 was an intentional knock-off of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang  Chris Elopoulos draws the Mini-Marvels series.  Jay Faerber&#8217;s run on Titans featured some prominent supporting characters that were not in Jay&#8217;s intended plan for the series.  Walter Simonson compiled a list of all the appearances of Doctor Doom in comics and determined which ones were actually Doom and which ones were Doom-bots.  #101 &#8211; Jim Shooter got the idea for Spider-Manâ€™s black costume from a piece of fan fiction.  The dentist of the Superman movieâ€™s producerâ€™s wife auditioned for the role of Superman.  The clone of the Guardian was originally going to be a member of the New Warriors.  #102 &#8211; Marvel came out with a Broadway musical starring Captain America.  One of the members of Youngblood was originally announced as a cast member of the New Mutants.  Justice League Unlimited had to create the Justice Guild at the last minute for their Legends episode, because DC would not let them use the Justice Society.  #103 &#8211; Orson Welles was planning on doing a Batman film in the 1940s.  DC had a completed Xena/Wonder Woman crossover comic book but decided not to publish it..  Marvel and DC taking turns making crossover comics resulted in George Perez missing out on X-Men/Teen Titans  #104 &#8211; DC Comics almost bought Diamond Comics Distrubutors.  A character who was appropriate enough for a DC cartoon was found not appropriate for a DC toy.  There was purple Kryptonite.  #105 &#8211; Jack Kirby was okay with DC redrawing his Superman faces.  DC redrew Supermanâ€™s face on a comic drawn by the same person who designed Superman on the popular Super Friends TV series.  Marvel had Dave Cockrum redraw the X-Men in an X-Men guest appearance in a John Byrne-drawn issue of Iron Fist.  #106 &#8211; Jesus Christ was a supporting character in Ghost Rider.  The second volume of Ghost Rider was not supposed to be an ongoing series.  Howard Mackie took an issue to trash anything that had happened in Ghost Rider since he left the book.  #107 &#8211; The Fantastic Four were going to wear masks originally.  Steve Englehart came up with an interesting plot to protest his exit from the Fantastic Four.  Steve Englehartâ€™s Silver Surfer book was designed as the Surfer exploring outer space.  #108 &#8211; J.M. DeMatteis finished the story from a canceled Marvel comic series in a DC comic series.  Steve Epting broke into comics by entering a non-existent contest!  Chuck Dixon was the original writer on Heroes Reborn Captain America  #109 &#8211; Marvel had an agreement with Frank Miller that they would not bring Elektra back unless Miller wanted to do so  Harvey created Little Aubrey to avoid having to license Little Lulu.  The sequel to Batman: The Cult became a Punisher mini-series.  #110 &#8211; A comic character was made an actual citizen in Japan!  The Astro Boy name came about because NBC was afraid DC would sue them over the name â€œThe Mighty Atom.â€  In Japan, the re-runs of Astro Boy they use are sub-titled American versions.  #111 &#8211; Marvel Comics once had a line of female superhero comic books.  Thor appeared in a Marvel Comic BEFORE the Silver Age!  A doppleganger of Superman created in a special Superman comic was originally intended to be the way for Superman to return from the dead after his death against Doomsday.  #112 &#8211; Marv Wolfman got his job working on the Superman animated series not because of his comic work, but because of his Garbage Pail Kids work.  Marvel published a toy tie-in comic book without an actually toy to tie-into!  Casper the Friendly Ghost was not known as Casper until the first issue of his comic book, four years after he first debuted!  #113 &#8211; Jack Kirby left DC because he thought they lied to him about the sales of his New Gods titles in order to pay him less money  The Superman radio show had a drastically different origin for Superman  JM DeMatteis changed a storyline in Justice League of America because he didnâ€™t know how the story was supposed to go.  #114 &#8211; Disney once had a series of Mickey Mouse comic strips depicting Mickey trying various ways of killing himself.  DC had to change the name of their Helix line of comic books because of the Shadowrun role playing game.  Bernie Wrightson once thought he had some sort of disease due to the paint brush he was using.  #115 &#8211; Marvel had a line of female heroine comic books in the 1970s.  Disney once kept a company from publishing comic strips that, at the time, were most likely in the public domain.  Al Milgrom was blacklisted from Marvel Comics after he snuck an insult of Bob Harras into a comic book.  #116 &#8211; Marvel got rid of the X-Ternals because of threats of litigation by the Highlander folks.  Scott Lobdell introduced Onslaught without knowing who or what Onslaught was.  Larry Hamaâ€™s origin for M and Penance was not what Scott Lobdell originally intended for the characters.  #117 &#8211; Kitty Pryde was in the original treatment for Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars, but was removed before the comic was released.  Marvel and DC only trademarked â€œsuperheroâ€ because Mego trademarked it first.  Marvel took a British comic book character and basically just put her into Alpha Flight wholesale.  Ta da! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Comics Should Be Good! &#187; DC/Marvel Comic Book Urban Legends</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comics Should Be Good! &#187; DC/Marvel Comic Book Urban Legends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] * The sequel to Batman: The Cult became a Punisher mini-series. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] * The sequel to Batman: The Cult became a Punisher mini-series. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;About Crimson Fox: One would think that the name of the late comedian, Red Foxx, would be more likely to be the cause of DCâ€™s decision to rename their character, than some obscure British comicâ€™s.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Perhaps, but that&#039;s not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>About Crimson Fox: One would think that the name of the late comedian, Red Foxx, would be more likely to be the cause of DCâ€™s decision to rename their character, than some obscure British comicâ€™s.</p></blockquote>
<p> Perhaps, but that&#8217;s not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Question for a future edition:

Over on the the â€˜Rama Talk@ Marvel boards thereâ€™s a thread ( http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=126838 ) running about a Steve Ditko cover to Amazing Fantasy #15 that was ditched for the one we all know (the poster found the image over on Sam Rubyâ€™s site, I think). Can we get the dirt on what happened to this Ditko cover that was never used? (that is, unless it has already been in a past Urban Legends that I just donâ€™t know aboutâ€¦) &lt;/blockquote&gt; Amusingly enough, that thread links to the urban legend installment on the topic! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Question for a future edition:</p>
<p>Over on the the â€˜Rama Talk@ Marvel boards thereâ€™s a thread ( <a href="http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=126838" rel="nofollow">http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=126838</a> ) running about a Steve Ditko cover to Amazing Fantasy #15 that was ditched for the one we all know (the poster found the image over on Sam Rubyâ€™s site, I think). Can we get the dirt on what happened to this Ditko cover that was never used? (that is, unless it has already been in a past Urban Legends that I just donâ€™t know aboutâ€¦) </p></blockquote>
<p> Amusingly enough, that thread links to the urban legend installment on the topic! <img src='http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Albertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Albertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mantlo was accused of plagiarism at least twice:  He did a Hulk story (286) that was similar enough to a Harlan Ellison story that a subsequent letters page noted that Marvel inadvertently left off credit for Ellison or something like that.  In recent years, Barry Windsor-Smith has claimed that Mantlo ripped off the abused Bruce Banner/multiple personality idea from some unfinished Hulk story that Windsor-Smith did.

I doubt the last one is really a case of swiping BWS idea.  It strikes me more as an idea whose time had come.  I also note that I, at least did not read the rumor until after Bill Mantlo could not defend himself.  One wonders why BWS didn&#039;t bring it up earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mantlo was accused of plagiarism at least twice:  He did a Hulk story (286) that was similar enough to a Harlan Ellison story that a subsequent letters page noted that Marvel inadvertently left off credit for Ellison or something like that.  In recent years, Barry Windsor-Smith has claimed that Mantlo ripped off the abused Bruce Banner/multiple personality idea from some unfinished Hulk story that Windsor-Smith did.</p>
<p>I doubt the last one is really a case of swiping BWS idea.  It strikes me more as an idea whose time had come.  I also note that I, at least did not read the rumor until after Bill Mantlo could not defend himself.  One wonders why BWS didn&#8217;t bring it up earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Marino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Marino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question for a future edition:

Over on the the &#039;Rama Talk@ Marvel boards there&#039;s a thread ( http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=126838 ) running about a Steve Ditko cover to Amazing Fantasy #15 that was ditched for the one we all know (the poster found the image over on Sam Ruby&#039;s site, I think). Can we get the dirt on what happened to this Ditko cover that was never used? (that is, unless it has already been in a past Urban Legends that I just don&#039;t know about...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question for a future edition:</p>
<p>Over on the the &#8216;Rama Talk@ Marvel boards there&#8217;s a thread ( <a href="http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=126838" rel="nofollow">http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=126838</a> ) running about a Steve Ditko cover to Amazing Fantasy #15 that was ditched for the one we all know (the poster found the image over on Sam Ruby&#8217;s site, I think). Can we get the dirt on what happened to this Ditko cover that was never used? (that is, unless it has already been in a past Urban Legends that I just don&#8217;t know about&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: JosephW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JosephW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on 24 Aug 2007 at 2:32 pm  31.Chris L said â€¦

If both DC and Marvel received joint trademark onwership on â€œSuper-Heroâ€, did they co-own â€œSuper Villainâ€ too? 
 
I&#039;m not absolutely certain, but as both companies have released books with &quot;Super-Villain&quot; in the title, it&#039;s pretty safe to say they do.  Marvel currently has the book &quot;Super-Villain Team-Up Modok&#039;s 11&quot;, and DC will be issuing a Showcase TP of &quot;Secret Society of Super-Villains&quot; featuring stories from the 1970s title of the same name.  The current Marvel book even harkens back to that company&#039;s own short-lived 1970s title, which seemed to primarily be a Dr Doom team-up book.  (More accurately, the book was a Dr Doom/Sub-Mariner title for 11 of the 17 issues, Doom/Red Skull for 3 issues, Doom/Magneto for 1 issue, and the Red Skull/Hate-Monger for 2 issues.  There were also 2 Giant-Size issues, both featuring Doom &amp; Sub-Mariner.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on 24 Aug 2007 at 2:32 pm  31.Chris L said â€¦</p>
<p>If both DC and Marvel received joint trademark onwership on â€œSuper-Heroâ€, did they co-own â€œSuper Villainâ€ too? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not absolutely certain, but as both companies have released books with &#8220;Super-Villain&#8221; in the title, it&#8217;s pretty safe to say they do.  Marvel currently has the book &#8220;Super-Villain Team-Up Modok&#8217;s 11&#8243;, and DC will be issuing a Showcase TP of &#8220;Secret Society of Super-Villains&#8221; featuring stories from the 1970s title of the same name.  The current Marvel book even harkens back to that company&#8217;s own short-lived 1970s title, which seemed to primarily be a Dr Doom team-up book.  (More accurately, the book was a Dr Doom/Sub-Mariner title for 11 of the 17 issues, Doom/Red Skull for 3 issues, Doom/Magneto for 1 issue, and the Red Skull/Hate-Monger for 2 issues.  There were also 2 Giant-Size issues, both featuring Doom &amp; Sub-Mariner.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Iverson</title>
		<link>http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/08/23/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-117/comment-page-2/#comment-171051</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Iverson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s enough dirt on Gambit for a new Urban Legends Revealed. Just read the comments on this post http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/11/26/did-marvel-steal-gambit/ Personally I think Gambit was &quot;inspired&quot; by Alan Oldham&#039;s Johnny Gambit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s enough dirt on Gambit for a new Urban Legends Revealed. Just read the comments on this post <a href="http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/11/26/did-marvel-steal-gambit/" rel="nofollow">http://comicsworthreading.com/2006/11/26/did-marvel-steal-gambit/</a> Personally I think Gambit was &#8220;inspired&#8221; by Alan Oldham&#8217;s Johnny Gambit.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;While Byrne may well have said that, itâ€™s a little unfair, since Mantlo was off the book by the time this happened. The issues shown were by James Hundall unless my memory is completely messing with my head.&lt;/blockquote&gt; As I mentioned before, while Hudnall wrote the majority of the stories with Dream Queen in them, she was introduced into the comic by Mantlo.

Hudnall took over the book soon after.

I can&#039;t speak, though, as to whether Mantlo did this thing often - this is the only time I&#039;ve heard of him doing this sort of thing, but obviously, I could just be unfamiliar with other instances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>While Byrne may well have said that, itâ€™s a little unfair, since Mantlo was off the book by the time this happened. The issues shown were by James Hundall unless my memory is completely messing with my head.</p></blockquote>
<p> As I mentioned before, while Hudnall wrote the majority of the stories with Dream Queen in them, she was introduced into the comic by Mantlo.</p>
<p>Hudnall took over the book soon after.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak, though, as to whether Mantlo did this thing often &#8211; this is the only time I&#8217;ve heard of him doing this sort of thing, but obviously, I could just be unfamiliar with other instances.</p>
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		<title>By: NickPheas</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickPheas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox wrote:
&quot;I spoke to John Byrne at a convention later that year and he wasnâ€™t surprised to hear about it. Apparently Mantlo had something of a reputation.&quot;

While Byrne may well have said that, it&#039;s a little unfair, since Mantlo was off the book by the time this happened. The issues shown were by James Hundall unless my memory is completely messing with my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox wrote:<br />
&#8220;I spoke to John Byrne at a convention later that year and he wasnâ€™t surprised to hear about it. Apparently Mantlo had something of a reputation.&#8221;</p>
<p>While Byrne may well have said that, it&#8217;s a little unfair, since Mantlo was off the book by the time this happened. The issues shown were by James Hundall unless my memory is completely messing with my head.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dork Knight Returns</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dork Knight Returns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had afew drinks too and am not typing up to the standard of an English major!</description>
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		<title>By: The Dork Knight Returns</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dork Knight Returns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Cole Burns
I completely forgot about Colossus becoming a powerless artist in Sho. Thanks! I still feel ver strongly about the Gambit/Longshot situation though. I could most definitely be wrong here,but I just remember him being involved in the Mastrmold/Nimrod batrtel in New York when the team went through the crystal at the end of the issue. Please understand though, this is all from memory, my collection is long gone and I&#039;ve no way of verifying my beliefs beyond this column! I just love comics and enjoy talking about them and am open to differing view points and theories regarding these old stories. I&#039;m in no way saying that I&#039;m absolutely right in my beliefs. I&#039;m just saying that this is how it seemed to me when I was reading the books.
these days the only books I still read are Astonishing X-Men and Savage Dragon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cole Burns<br />
I completely forgot about Colossus becoming a powerless artist in Sho. Thanks! I still feel ver strongly about the Gambit/Longshot situation though. I could most definitely be wrong here,but I just remember him being involved in the Mastrmold/Nimrod batrtel in New York when the team went through the crystal at the end of the issue. Please understand though, this is all from memory, my collection is long gone and I&#8217;ve no way of verifying my beliefs beyond this column! I just love comics and enjoy talking about them and am open to differing view points and theories regarding these old stories. I&#8217;m in no way saying that I&#8217;m absolutely right in my beliefs. I&#8217;m just saying that this is how it seemed to me when I was reading the books.<br />
these days the only books I still read are Astonishing X-Men and Savage Dragon.</p>
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