Comments on: Top 50 DC Characters #50-46 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/ Comic Book Resources Presents... Comics Should Be Good! Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:18:10 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-203007 Brian Cronin Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:54:54 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-203007 I don't think DC would approve of us considering Conner Kent the same as the original Superboy. ;) I don't think DC would approve of us considering Conner Kent the same as the original Superboy. ;)

]]> By: Todd Lawrence http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-202997 Todd Lawrence Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:41:45 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-202997 Fair enough. So, by that yardstick, can we expect all votes cast for pre-Crisis young Clark Kent and Kon-El to be added toward a common "Superboy" total, as well? Fair enough.

So, by that yardstick, can we expect all votes cast for pre-Crisis young Clark Kent and Kon-El to be added toward a common "Superboy" total, as well?

]]> By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-202982 Brian Cronin Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:21:03 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-202982 <blockquote>If Helenas Wayne and Bertinelli are being counted as the same character, why are the individual Flashes, Green Lanterns, etc. being counted as individual characters? Just curious because it seems rather arbitrary. </blockquote> Huntress isn't a legacy characters like those folks are. The changes to Huntress are basically the same as the changes to Power Girl. Both of their origins were no longer possible Post-Crisis, so they came up with new origins for them (Mob boss' daughter and Atlantean descendant). They're still the same characters, though, unlike Flash, which is four very distinct characters.

If Helenas Wayne and Bertinelli are being counted as the same character, why are the individual Flashes, Green Lanterns, etc. being counted as individual characters?

Just curious because it seems rather arbitrary.

Huntress isn't a legacy characters like those folks are.

The changes to Huntress are basically the same as the changes to Power Girl. Both of their origins were no longer possible Post-Crisis, so they came up with new origins for them (Mob boss' daughter and Atlantean descendant).

They're still the same characters, though, unlike Flash, which is four very distinct characters.

]]> By: Todd Lawrence http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-201380 Todd Lawrence Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:45:21 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-201380 If Helenas Wayne and Bertinelli are being counted as the same character, why are the individual Flashes, Green Lanterns, etc. being counted as individual characters? Just curious because it seems rather arbitrary. If Helenas Wayne and Bertinelli are being counted as the same character, why are the individual Flashes, Green Lanterns, etc. being counted as individual characters?

Just curious because it seems rather arbitrary.

]]> By: Continuity Error! › Link Pull List: 9/19/07 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-200422 Continuity Error! › Link Pull List: 9/19/07 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:02:37 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-200422 [...] Comics Should Be Good has the top 50 DC characters (#50-#46, #45-#41, #40-#36, #35-#31, #30-#26) and the top Marvel characters (#50-#46, #45-#41, #40-#36, #35-#31, #30-#26). Plus comic book urban legends, why you should own a copy of From Hell, an appreciation of Kelly Jones, and a few thoughts on what there is to love (or hate) about Scott Pilgrim. [...] [...] Comics Should Be Good has the top 50 DC characters (#50-#46, #45-#41, #40-#36, #35-#31, #30-#26) and the top Marvel characters (#50-#46, #45-#41, #40-#36, #35-#31, #30-#26). Plus comic book urban legends, why you should own a copy of From Hell, an appreciation of Kelly Jones, and a few thoughts on what there is to love (or hate) about Scott Pilgrim. [...]

]]> By: g http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-196113 g Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:19:50 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-196113 that was such an amazing write-up of Mister Miracle that was such an amazing write-up of Mister Miracle

]]> By: Alan Coil http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-196006 Alan Coil Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:20:03 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-196006 2 thumbs down on Ambush Bug. ----- When this is complete, will there be a list of 51 through, well, 4781? 2 thumbs down on Ambush Bug.
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When this is complete, will there be a list of 51 through, well, 4781?

]]> By: fourthworlder http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-194347 fourthworlder Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:58:33 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-194347 Scott Free barely made the list? I had he and Barda listed jointly as my #2, behind only Morpheus and crew. There was something very moving about the spirit of Mister Miracle, the bright laughing spirit of New Genesis royalty that could not be crushed or even dented by a childhood in the Murder Machine. A miracle indeed, maybe even a bit of a desperate prayer by a middle-aged Jack Kirby who'd started his days on Delancey Street and grown up to fight the Third Reich. And Barda is my favorite comic book wife of all time. Anyone who hasn't read New Gods #7 and Mister Miracle #9 (original series, of course) should rush out and get them now. Scott Free barely made the list? I had he and Barda listed jointly as my #2, behind only Morpheus and crew.
There was something very moving about the spirit of Mister Miracle, the bright laughing spirit of New Genesis royalty that could not be crushed or even dented by a childhood in the Murder Machine. A miracle indeed, maybe even a bit of a desperate prayer by a middle-aged Jack Kirby who'd started his days on Delancey Street and grown up to fight the Third Reich.
And Barda is my favorite comic book wife of all time.

Anyone who hasn't read New Gods #7 and Mister Miracle #9 (original series, of course) should rush out and get them now.

]]> By: Patrick Zircher http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-194267 Patrick Zircher Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:26:22 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-194267 Mister Miracle at 49? Spectre at 48? Obviously, you have accidentally inverted the list. Mister Miracle at 49? Spectre at 48?

Obviously, you have accidentally inverted the list.

]]> By: ScottDMSimmons http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-194265 ScottDMSimmons Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:25:28 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-194265 Mister Miracle has a great visual design to his costume, and the idea of the character is alot of fun. He and Barda would likely be in my top 20. Scott Mister Miracle has a great visual design to his costume, and the idea of the character is alot of fun. He and Barda would likely be in my top 20.

Scott

]]> By: Hondo http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-194229 Hondo Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:43:33 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-194229 Mr Miracle - I like him, kind of, but still kind of don't get the character. I know the setup and all, and love the whole swap thing, and I know Kirby was inspired by Steranko to create the character, but couldn't say he was one of my favs, though I did vote for Orion. Love that guy ! Huntress was close, but didn't quite make my top 10 while I believe Azrael did. The original Earth-2 character had so much potential, and hopefully we'll be seeing her and her backstory more with the new DC Mega U. Spectre - again came close to getting a vote, however, I felt he really was more of a cliche, like the Punisher, than a truly well rounded character. He's more like an Old Testament force of nature. Elongated Man - Ralph and Sue are great. It's amazing they're as high on the list as they are, but the 90's JLI are what really put this character on the map. Like him but not Top 10 or even 50. Hopefully they'll get some screen time as ghost detectives, probably bumping elbows with Deadman. Ambush Bug - YES ! Voted for and glad to see others did too. DC resident maniac. He'd make a great foil to Lobo. Mr Miracle - I like him, kind of, but still kind of don't get the character. I know the setup and all, and love the whole swap thing, and I know Kirby was inspired by Steranko to create the character, but couldn't say he was one of my favs, though I did vote for Orion. Love that guy !

Huntress was close, but didn't quite make my top 10 while I believe Azrael did. The original Earth-2 character had so much potential, and hopefully we'll be seeing her and her backstory more with the new DC Mega U.

Spectre - again came close to getting a vote, however, I felt he really was more of a cliche, like the Punisher, than a truly well rounded character. He's more like an Old Testament force of nature.

Elongated Man - Ralph and Sue are great. It's amazing they're as high on the list as they are, but the 90's JLI are what really put this character on the map. Like him but not Top 10 or even 50. Hopefully they'll get some screen time as ghost detectives, probably bumping elbows with Deadman.

Ambush Bug - YES ! Voted for and glad to see others did too. DC resident maniac. He'd make a great foil to Lobo.

]]> By: MarkAndrew http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-193982 MarkAndrew Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:34:08 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-193982 Shoot. Did I mess up a quote tag. Ummm.... accidentally. OBVIOUSLY Ambush Bug's poor showing wouldn't lead me to try to sabatoge the list. What's this, fifteen tons of dynamite? Well, yes. I DO have fifteen tons of dynamite back there, like the sign says. I'm doing some gardening. That's it. Gardening. Shoot. Did I mess up a quote tag.

Ummm.... accidentally.

OBVIOUSLY Ambush Bug's poor showing wouldn't lead me to try to sabatoge the list.

What's this, fifteen tons of dynamite? Well, yes. I DO have fifteen tons of dynamite back there, like the sign says.

I'm doing some gardening.

That's it.

Gardening.

]]> By: buttler http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-193972 buttler Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:25:48 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-193972 </blockquote> I don't see what's so suspicious about 174 votes for Abnezegar. Now if it were Rath or Ghast, that would just be silly. I don't see what's so suspicious about 174 votes for Abnezegar.

Now if it were Rath or Ghast, that would just be silly.

]]> By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-193936 Brian Cronin Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:57:58 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-193936 I like Space Cabbie, and I like the character folks tried to get into this list this time around, too. I just don't like people trying to skew results. I like Space Cabbie, and I like the character folks tried to get into this list this time around, too. I just don't like people trying to skew results.

]]> By: buttler http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-193928 buttler Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:50:41 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-193928 </blockquote> Hey, don't go hating on Space Cabbie! Wow, I can't believe I forgot to vote for Ultra the Multi-Alien. Hey, don't go hating on Space Cabbie!

Wow, I can't believe I forgot to vote for Ultra the Multi-Alien.

]]> By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-193896 Brian Cronin Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:19:03 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-193896 <blockquote>The problem with Ambush Bug in the top 50 is not that he’s a bad character - he’s not - but that DC has so many good characters that at the end of this we’re going to be going, “Such-and-such didn’t make the list? Such-and-such! And what about so-and-so? How could that be? Oh yeah; Ambush Bug was in there at 46, that’s why.” Comparing to the Great Curve’s list of some time ago: Huntress was #89 on that list. Ambush Bug was #63. Mr. Miracle was #31. Elongated Man was #39. The Spectre was #34. On their list, positions 46-50 were taken up by, respectively, Alan Scott, Animal-Man, Phantom Stranger, Mr. Terrific and Dr. Fate. </blockquote> No offense intended to the Great Curve poll, which was quite a bit of fun, but I re-looked at that one, and they had a SEVENTH of the ballots cast in this one. The more votes cast, the more accurate the results will be. After 80 ballots cast in THIS one, we had Arseface in the Top 30. :) In fact, the relative small amount of ballots cast allowed for some ridiculous "Space Cabbie" write-in campaign to get him into the Top 20. Man, do I hate write-in campaigns. I am SOOO happy that there actually WAS a write-in campaign this year, and the character they tried to drive into the Top 50 failed to make it. Thank you, lots of votes cast!!! In addition, Matthew, their list was DC Universe ONLY, so of course, we're going to have some superhero characters miss this list, as there are plenty of neat Vertigo characters who will make the Top 50.

The problem with Ambush Bug in the top 50 is not that he’s a bad character - he’s not - but that DC has so many good characters that at the end of this we’re going to be going, “Such-and-such didn’t make the list? Such-and-such! And what about so-and-so? How could that be? Oh yeah; Ambush Bug was in there at 46, that’s why.”

Comparing to the Great Curve’s list of some time ago:

Huntress was #89 on that list.
Ambush Bug was #63.
Mr. Miracle was #31.
Elongated Man was #39.
The Spectre was #34.

On their list, positions 46-50 were taken up by, respectively, Alan Scott, Animal-Man, Phantom Stranger, Mr. Terrific and Dr. Fate.

No offense intended to the Great Curve poll, which was quite a bit of fun, but I re-looked at that one, and they had a SEVENTH of the ballots cast in this one.

The more votes cast, the more accurate the results will be. After 80 ballots cast in THIS one, we had Arseface in the Top 30. :)

In fact, the relative small amount of ballots cast allowed for some ridiculous "Space Cabbie" write-in campaign to get him into the Top 20. Man, do I hate write-in campaigns. I am SOOO happy that there actually WAS a write-in campaign this year, and the character they tried to drive into the Top 50 failed to make it. Thank you, lots of votes cast!!!

In addition, Matthew, their list was DC Universe ONLY, so of course, we're going to have some superhero characters miss this list, as there are plenty of neat Vertigo characters who will make the Top 50.

]]> By: buttler http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-193889 buttler Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:13:54 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-193889 We're all blockquotes on this bus. *shakes fist at MarkAndrew* We're all blockquotes on this bus.

*shakes fist at MarkAndrew*

]]> By: Brian Cronin http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-193886 Brian Cronin Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:11:34 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-193886 Surround the thing you want to quote with the following word - blockquote. Put the word blockquote in <>, with the latter <> having a / before blockquote. Surround the thing you want to quote with the following word - blockquote. Put the word blockquote in <>, with the latter <> having a / before blockquote.

]]> By: Eric http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-193818 Eric Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:39:49 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-193818 <blockquote>While I didn't vote for Mr. Miracle, I did vote for his wife for one of the reasons listed for Scott Free (their unique marriage dynamic). I'm hoping that she makes the cut.</blockquote>I was thinking that DC has a lot of legacy characters and I'm kinda worried that the rest of the list will be family characters (Batman, Robin, Nightwing, Alfred; Superman, Supergirl, Steel, Suberboy).

While I didn't vote for Mr. Miracle, I did vote for his wife for one of the reasons listed for Scott Free (their unique marriage dynamic). I'm hoping that she makes the cut.

I was thinking that DC has a lot of legacy characters and I'm kinda worried that the rest of the list will be family characters (Batman, Robin, Nightwing, Alfred; Superman, Supergirl, Steel, Suberboy).

]]> By: John Seavey http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/comment-page-1/#comment-193812 John Seavey Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:32:46 +0000 http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/09/12/top-50-dc-characters-50-46/#comment-193812 For the record, I think that Ralph and Sue are still broken as ghost detectives; they worked well in their classic appearances as people who led charmed lives and spread that charm to others (a bit like Agatha Christie's classic couple, the Beresfords, from 'Partners in Crime'.) The whole "dead" thing kinda works against that. :) Plus, anyone who'd read the old Elongated Man material, with the Carmine Infantino art, wouldn't call Ralph's stretching a rehash of other characters...Infantino really brought the power and the character to life with dynamic, clever artwork that showcased the way a character could use stretching in a fight. Ralph was a very different person to Plastic Man or Mister Fantastic just in the way the art made him move, and Infantino deserves tons of credit for that. For the record, I think that Ralph and Sue are still broken as ghost detectives; they worked well in their classic appearances as people who led charmed lives and spread that charm to others (a bit like Agatha Christie's classic couple, the Beresfords, from 'Partners in Crime'.) The whole "dead" thing kinda works against that. :)

Plus, anyone who'd read the old Elongated Man material, with the Carmine Infantino art, wouldn't call Ralph's stretching a rehash of other characters...Infantino really brought the power and the character to life with dynamic, clever artwork that showcased the way a character could use stretching in a fight. Ralph was a very different person to Plastic Man or Mister Fantastic just in the way the art made him move, and Infantino deserves tons of credit for that.

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