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Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed #120

This is the one-hundred and twentieth in a series of examinations of comic book urban legends and whether they are true or false. Click here for an archive of the previous one-hundred and nineteen. Click here for a similar archive, only arranged by subject.

Let’s begin!

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: The Ravers in Superboy and the Ravers were intended as analogues for the Legion of Superheroes.

STATUS: False

So, I was talking with my pal Mark and another fellow last month, and somehow, the topic of Superboy and the Ravers comes up, and Mark remarks about how the Ravers were meant to be analogues of the Legion of Superheroes.

So I say, “Seriously?”

And he goes on to explain it, and I had to admit, it sure seemed plausible. Then I thought, “Hey, this sure sounds like a Comic Book Urban Legend, doesn’t it?”

So here it is!

Superboy and the Ravers was a spin-off of Superboy that launched in late-1996, when Karl Kesel, creator of and writer of the first two years plus of Superboy’s series, left the ongoing title. Kesel and co-writer Steve Mattsson told the story of an intergalactic traveling party for superbeings, that you had to have a special stamp to get into. Superboy and a few of his fellow “ravers” ended up forming a loosely-knit superhero team.

Among the team was Sparx, who controlled electricity, Aura who controlled magnetism, Hero, who had a force field and Kaliber, who could shrink in size.

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Well, that sure does sound like Lightning Lad, Cosmic Boy, Brianiac Five and Shrinking Violet, doesn’t it?

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In fact, it sorta seems like a clever way to update the whole “Superboy and the Legion of Superheroes” thing.

However, as it turns out, it was nothing more than some inventive thinking on Mark’s part.

I asked Karl Kesel about it, and here’s what Karl had to say:

No. Never even entered my (or Steve Mattsson’s) mind. I can’t even begin to think who Half-Life would be a stand-in for.

Half-Life was a sort of Zombie James Dean character who also ended up joining the team.

So there ya go!

Thanks, Karl! And thanks, Mark, for giving me the idea for this one (also, so long as we’re talking credit, here is some long overdue credit, Mark is also the fellow responsible for the title of this feature – I was torn between “Uncovered” and “Revealed,” and Mark said “Revealed” sounded better. I think he was right!)!

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Ghost Rider’s origin was changed so, at least in part, to not offend religious readers.

STATUS: True

As revealed in a previous installment of Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed, a character Tony Isabella added to Ghost Rider to basically be Jesus was revealed to be a demon, mostly because Editor Jim Shooter felt that it would offend religious readers to have Jesus featured as a supporting character in a comic book.

Well, awhile later, in Ghost Rider #68, writer Roger Stern made another change to the Ghost Rider mythos.

Now, rather than being SATAN who Johnny Blaze was involved with, it was the demon, Mephisto!

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Reader Jakob asked me about this one, curious if this, too, was an example of Marvel not wanting to offend religious readers by featuring a part of their religion in the comic, and if writer Stern was forced to make the change to the origin due to editorial edict.

I asked Stern, and he told me that no, the decision was solely his, and it was partly because Mephisto was an existing Marvel character, so they might as well use him over just a nameless “Satan,” and yes, that it was better to use a fake demon than an actual religious figure, for, as Stern says, “while I don’t believe in Satan, he is a part of some peoples’ religions.”

So there ya go!

Thanks to Jakob for the question and to Roger Stern for the answer!

COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Dazzler came into being because of Bo Derek

STATUS: True

In a previous installment of Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed, I discussed how Dazzler was created as a cross-promotion between Marvel and Casablanca Records.

In fact, we even showed the piece of John Romita, Jr. art that a pal of mine, Ben, actually owns, which, while looking like Grace Jones, was most likely an attempt to get Casablanca Records owner Neil Bogart to go with the idea and have one of his disco artists be “The Disco Queen,” which is what Dazzler was to be called.

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They were to have a film called “The Disco Queen,” with songs. So it would be a whole multi-media thing going on – movie, album AND comic book.

However, Casablanca Records decided against the project, most likely due to financial issues.

So the Disco Queen was then, in effect, dead.

It was only almost TWO YEARS later that the project was resurrected, this time strictly as a film project starring Bo Derek (at least, I’m pretty sure just as a film project, the record aspect might still have been in play), now called Dazzler.

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So the name was changed, her features were now to be based on Bo Derek, and ta da – the Dazzler we now know and love (some, like Ben, more than others – he sure loves him some Dazzler something fierce).

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Thanks to Ben for supplying all this neat-o information (and for sharing the JRjr picture with the world)!

Okay, that’s it for this week!

Feel free to drop off any urban legends you’d like to see featured!

50 Comments

The RAVERS? Really? The RAVERS!?!

God…the ’90s…

It never occurred to me before, but Dazzler’s eye makeup, especially as drawn by Romita, makes her look like a Dave Cockrum creation. Was she?

SanctumSanctorumComix

September 14, 2007 at 6:48 am

While I have no real interest in DAZZLER, I still own a copy of # 1, solely due to that SWEET Bob Larkin painted art.

He was so awesome on painted covers.
I’d take his stuff over Alex Ross ANY day.

Not meant as a slam to Ross, because I do like his stuff (well, moreso his older stuff than now), but if I had a chance for a choice…)

~P~
P-TOR

While that’s a great Dazzler cover [now there's something I never thought I would say] Iron Man sure looks grumpy. Hey Tony, stop being such a gloomy Gus!

I was thinking “Oh, you must mean John Romita SENIOR,” right? But no… I often forget just how long Junior has actually been a comics pro in his own right.

This would be kinda lame as “urban legends” go, but was Dazzler ever officially or even quasi-officially (like in preliminary advertisements?) named “The Disco Dazzler?”

I’m a sucker for oddball, goofy Marvel stuff. Dazzler more than qualifies. I liked her until she joined the X-Men. For some reason, Scarlet Witch is the only significant mutant not to be put in the X-books. Anyway, Dazzler was just plain silly. She fought off Galactus. How silly is that? What in the heck is the original G doing in Dazzler? Crazy fun.

suedenim, Marvel Directory lists Disco Dazzler as one of her previous aliases, but I’m not sure when that would have been. Marvel Database says it was only used a couple of times in-text, with the rest of the references being in solicitations.

Ah, thanks Matthew, that makes sense. A friend of mine remembers her name as “The Disco Dazzler” and thinking how ridiculous it was, but while I knew she was associated with disco, of course, I never remembered seeing that precise name anywhere.

But it likely would’ve shown up for in-house ads or something during the time he was reading pretty much everything Marvel put out (and I wasn’t.)

My memeory of it is that Disco Dazzler was the name we heard when the project first started being hyped, but by the time it came out, disco was gone.

I wanna say “Disco Dazzler” was mentioned in a Stan Soapbox. Now that I think about it, that would’ve been the most likely place for me to have heard it at the time.

I had totally forgotten that I had said that revealed sounded better, but you mentioning it made me think, “Oh yeah, I did didn’t I?”

So I was right on that and wrong on the Ravers huh? I was so sure. I can’t remember if I thought Half-Life was someone or not. I may have thought that by that time they were trying to get away from the Legion connection (after all Hero no longer had his force field vest at that time) or maybe I thought he was supposed to be Mon-El (after all he was time-lost and all). I may have to find out if my Superboy and the Ravers issues are here or still among those in storage.

I should have mentioned that at the time, I was finding things I thought were Legion references in everything from Star Trek Voyager to Hercules the Legendary Journeys. And more recently I swore I saw a ship that looked like the Legion Clubhouse in an episode of Firefly.

There was also the Dazzler: the Movie graphic novel that had the Bill Sin(butcheringthename)iz cover where Dazzler was modled after Bo.

Yeah, that cover was super cool. Larkin cover are great! Dazzler would’ve been cool starting off like that and eventually kind of morphing into another identity more like Carol Danvers did.

Yeah, that sketch does clearly evoke a Dave Cockrum vibe!

BTW, what’s the latest on her ?

Regarding the “Dazzler” being a real-life Casablanca Records artist, I think the biggest problem was that the company didn’t really have a huge stable of performers from which to choose. Donna Summer was already the “Queen of Disco” (having taken the title years earlier from Gloria Gaynor–the first “Queen of Disco”) and was, far and away, Casablanca’s top star. (Given the label’s strong connection with the disco era, the label’s other marquee name at the time was, somewhat oddly enough, KISS–and Dazzler’s facial makeup does seem to hint at Ace Frehley’s.) The vast majority of the label’s roster consisted of studio-based groups with largely anonymous lead vocalists (easily replaceable as necessary) or artists who stayed for only a project or two before the company’s bankruptcy and Bogart’s death (Cher and the Captain and Tennille come to mind here). Donna’s status was already changing by early 1980 as she sued Casablanca and Neil and Joyce Bogart over contract and management issues, and she signed with David Geffen’s new label in the spring of 1980, releasing “The Wanderer” on Geffen Records that fall.
Interestingly enough, while the image of the “Disco Queen” may have resembled Grace Jones, Grace never recorded for Casablanca. Her label (until 1986) was Island Records.

“The Ravers”….it was at that point in my collecting-life that DC jumped the shark.

Boy, talk about Flashbacks!

X-Men # 130 was one of the first comics I bought (along with Dazzler #1 and Flash 275) completely because of the disco dazzler character which appealed to me as a kid!

And what a cover that X-Men 130 was!

I remember the whole Disco Dazzler, Bo Derek movie thing which never came to be but I still loved the comic and still love the character in her original incarnation.

It sure would be neat if one of these guys could do a statue based on the Bob Larkin painting, one of my all time favorite paintings ever!

Thanks for the neat article!

Iron Man sure looks grumpy. Hey Tony, stop being such a gloomy Gus!

That’s just the mask. On the inside, he’s laughing at Dazzler’s disco ball medallion.

“studio-based groups with largely anonymous lead vocalists (easily replaceable as necessary)”

I wonder if, perhaps, the Dazzler character actually tied in with this? The makeup could allow you to have an anonymous singer playing the “character” of Dazzler, and you could replace her without it being particularly noticeable (see also the mystique of KISS’s makeup.)

Superboy and the Ravers is a really great book.

Flush it all away

September 14, 2007 at 4:47 pm

I thought the issue of Dazzler where she fights Wolverine and Colossus to gain entrance into the X-Men was pretty darned good. I got it in one of those plastic-bagged comic three-packs they used to sell in bookstores and convenience stores. Those were fun.

I can’t help but giggle at the people making fun of Disco or Raving. Every generation thinks it’s cooler than the one before. I can’t wait until people start saying, “God! I can’t believe I was into Rap once!” :D

One thing’s for sure: Dazzler was at first the Pet Character of somebody influential at Marvel- because in the first few issues, she met everybody from Spider-Man to the X-Men and battled the Hulk, Dr. Doom and almost became an herald of Galactus! Hard to believe these days, huh? Even other characters created for merchandising purposes, like the Micronauts or Rom, never had such a free ride!

ROM earned everything he got.

ROM: The People’s choice.

Pet character, or attempt at having a big name female character to merchandise?

The Goodwin/Chadwick issues of Dazzler were good. The others? Well, let’s just say that everyone involved has done better work on other characters.

Woo! Dazzler! Sal Buscema did some very early pre-lim concept sketches of Dazzler, but — to the best of my knowledge — Cockrum had nothing to do with Dazz.

The face make-up is a throwback to KISS, another band managed by Casablanca Records. The Dazzler idea was partially born by KISS anyhow, because Marvel/Casablanca had success with the super-sized KISS comic specials. Dazzler was basically the same concept, but in reverse: a singer would be molded based on the comic personality, rather than the comic coming from the established singer(s).

:: [B]ut was Dazzler ever officially or even quasi-
:: officially (like in preliminary advertisements?)
:: named “The Disco Dazzler?”

She was, but this was before Casablanca bailed. The creative team over at Marvel working on Dazzler knew better than to market Dazzler as a strictly “disco” singer, so it was all dumped by the time Dazzler #3 (the first script that Marvel did on their own — #1/#2 were, for the most part, the commissioned story for Casablanca) saw print.

The early solicits for the character called her The Disco Dazzler. Uncanny X-Men 130-131, Amazing Spider-Man 203, and Fantastic Four 217 tagged her as “Guest Starring The Disco Dazzler,” and all three comics clearly identified her as a disco singer, but mind that this was all a year before DAZZLER saw print, and when Casablanca was still in on the project.

I also have an old childrens halloween costume of “The Disco Dazzler” from 1979/1980, which is a year before the solo series was launched:

But after that? Dropped. But it stuck.
The first musical reference in the series was Pink Floyd, anyhow. I don’t think Dazzler herself ever mentioned disco after the first arc where she was clearly singing IN a disco, and Danny Fingeroth used all rock musical references until Marvel decided to 80s jazzercise her later in the run.

… Wow, I just totally out-gayed myself with that comment. But kudos, Brian!

Oh, and pictures:

Early Sal Buscema sketches:
Sketches.

“Disco Dazzler” costume:
Costume Insert.

Actual Costume.

The picture of Iron Man only looks odd because they edited out the word balloon over his head in the original.
It was supposed to say, “Mark Millar is going to do WHAT to my character in 30 years…?!?!!?”

:)

So Dazzler was a black woman? That would have been cool, but she does look like she’s Storm’s cousin or something.

I love that Ghost Rider cover. The pose of Johnny Blaze in agaony is just perfect.

It’s funny, but seeing the cover for SUPERBOY AND THE RAVERS # 1

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makes me think of the cover of SUPERBOY # 5 (from the comic book series based on the SUPERBOY TV show).

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I always wondered in the back of my mind if young Kal-El’s appearance on that cover (with sunglasses and leather jacket) in any way inspired the look of REIGN OF THE SUPERMEN’s Superboy (later of the Ravers).

And in the case of SUPERBOY # 5, the new heroes on the cover with Superboy were intended as Legion analogues.

Is that Superboy #5 cover by Kevin Maguire? It is, right?

Yes, Anthony, the cover to SUPERBOY # 5 was drawn by Kevin Maguire and Ty Templeton.

Double-checking with comics.org, it looks like Maguire did 20 of the 22 covers of that series. I like them all, but my favorite covers of his from that run are issues 5, 6 (kryptonite raining down on Superboy while Lex Luthor watches, under an umbrella), 8 (Bizarro taking up painting), and 19 (Superboy’s apparent alien abduction). To me, those four stand out enough to be included amongst my all-time favorite covers of the “Superman Family.”

Novaya, thanks for the pics, but don’t you mean JOHN Buscema, not “our pal” Sal? The scan you have there is credited to John Buscema.

Oh, and that Halloween costume is one of the most hideous things I’ve ever seen. =^)

I can’t help but giggle at the people making fun of Disco or Raving. Every generation thinks it’s cooler than the one before. I can’t wait until people start saying, “God! I can’t believe I was into Rap once!”

Both of those were a lot shorter-lived as trends, than rap has been, so far.

And every generation is cooler than the one before. They get all the collected knowledge of cool from their predecessors, and then add in their own current coolness.

I bought the Dazzler: The Movie GN back in the day because the house ads with the Dazzler movie poster with the word “Mutie” painted over it totally hooked me. The GN was actually a very good story (and somewhat shocking for a 10 year old not used to seeing nudity and adult situations in comics). Other than Empereror Doom, I’d say it’s the best of the giant sized GNs Marvel came out with.

And yeah, I always liked Dazzler because of that story. I followed her comic and liked her a little more when they did the one story set at a comic convention (San Diego, I believe). It’s funny because after all the child stars of the 80′s become druggies and burn outs, i expected them to do something like that with Dazzler but they never really “darkened” her. Nowadays, I’m waiting for Joey Q to have her “reimagined” as some sort of Lindsay Lohan/Paris Hilton type getting high, crashing cars, and flashing her beat up junk. Hmmm…where’s Garth Ennis when you need him?

ROM should be revisited (this time with license to use the character’s name and likeness) It would make a great animated show.

“Scarlet Witch is the only significant mutant not to be put in the X-books.”

hmmm…. her first ever appearance was in Uncanny, and she was a prominent member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants for a year or two, although it does surprise me the amount she wasn’t used in that book.

And is Namor still a mutant or did they ret-con the whole thing?

Yea, we all know all about her origins as a member of the original Brotherhood. I’m talking about when she became a hero. The trent to shove all mutants into the X-books is still an unfortunate reality. I’m surprised they let Storm out of the box.

Wasn’t Namor made a mutant in the early 90′s? Everyone had to be a mutant then. They even did it to Cloak & Dagger. That was the exact moment when I no longer cared about THOSE two!

Man, all that fanboy X-everything mutant fever crap still gets under my skin. They just got too popular for their own good.

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Isn’t Namor a mutant by birth?

Yep. That excludes him from any proper definations of Marvel’s mutants, who develop their powers through puberty. It was cool to be a mutant at that time, though, so Marvel was milking it for all it was worth. Thay were calling Namor the first mutant ever, just for the sake of labeling him as a mutant. Even if he qualified, which he doesn’t, the title has been taken from him anyway. Wolverine/Lagan/James has been established to be in the , what… late 1800′s? Namor’s origins have been cannon as the 1910′s-20′s for decades.

Apocalypse was around during the time of the Pharaohs. I would suspect that makes him the first Marvel mutant that we know of.

speaking of Rom, didn’t he start of as a licensed product. How come Marvel owns his rights now?

speaking of Rom, didn’t he start of as a licensed product. How come Marvel owns his rights now?

Unless they just recently purchased the rights to the character, Marvel does not, in fact, own Rom’s rights.

That’s why the recent Spaceknights mini-series was not allowed to use Rom in it (or even refer to him by name).

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“Oh, and pictures:”

I don’t think Dazzler would wear a plastic smock with her picture on the front…

ParanoidObsessive

November 20, 2008 at 5:40 pm

>>> Yep. That excludes him from any proper definations of Marvel’s mutants, who develop their powers through puberty.

Untrue.

While it’s most common for mutants to develop their powers around puberty (partly because of all the hormones and emotional overload acting as a trigger, but mostly so they could use yet mutants to explore yet another metaphor), it’s never been stated that mutants ALWAYS gain their powers at puberty – in fact, a number of cases have clearly been established where the onset of mutant powers occurred long before puberty. Off the top of my head alone, Jean Grey and Illyana Rasputin definitely manifested before puberty, and there are at least a few others. And then there’s Franklin Richards…

>>> Even if he qualified, which he doesn’t, the title has been taken from him anyway.

When a normal human male and an Atlantean woman somehow manage to produce a child who is not only super-strong but can fly (traits neither parent possesses), he’s pretty much a mutant by definition. Whether or not he holds the title of FIRST mutant (he almost certainly doesn’t, since Apocalypse, Wolverine, Mystique, and Destiny have all been shown to predate him), it’s difficult to dismiss his mutanthood.

>>> Apocalypse was around during the time of the Pharaohs. I would suspect that makes him the first Marvel mutant that we know of.

Since one of the key premises of his origin story is that he’s literally the First Mutant, he’s officially the first mutant ever… at least until Marvel retcons again and winds up writing a story about how Abel was the first mutant, and Cain killing him was the first case of anti-mutant hysteria.

So because one character (who joined later) out of five doesn’t have an analogue with the Legion that makes it untrue?

I find it hard to believe that you can have one guy controlling electricity and not think of Lightning Lad, another guy controlling magnetism and not think of Cosmic boy, yet another guy with a force field like Braniac 5 and a girl who can shrink and not think of Shrinking Violet.

I know you can only go by what you’re told but that seems awfully thin.

Nightcrawler was a mutant from birth. Artie Maddicks, Leech, and several other Morlock children all displayed mutant tendencies well before puberty.

Namor was in one of the earliest X-men, #6 i think. Magneto convinced Namor that he was a mutant so that he would join the Brotherhood. Magneto was kind of a wild-eyed loon in those days and he was also conspiring with Namor’s cousin, so he might have made it all up. The Sub-Mariner ended up getting shot in the back with a giant magnet.

helo! Hot picture alert! If Paris Hilton is your fave, then I have a website for you to see. Who wants it?

I hope that they start adopting the explanation from X-Factor that the earliest mutants predominantly manifested at birth, but where killed by the superstition human population, so only those whose powers manifested at puberty and knew to hide it survived in enough numbers to be the dominant form of x-gene carriers (and/or only the parents with the inactive x-gene that manifested at puberty had enough offspring).

[...] The character was so dynamic and popular that she later resurfaced as a possible film project featuring ‘10′ star Bo Derek (all true, check out the incredible story here). [...]

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