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Top 50 Marvel Characters #35-31

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35. Ms. Marvel – 185 points

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Carol Danvers, Ms. Marvel, was created by Roy Thomas and Gene Colan. She was a supporting character in Captain Marvel’s comic for quite awhile, until Carol was exposed to a Kree device that basically made her like the Kree, so she was, essentially, a female version of Captain Marvel.

Carol soon got her own series (soon, as in, right away), which lasted for a couple of years. Towards the end of her series, she joined the Avengers. However, in a controversial story, Carol was brainwashed by some time-traveling guy to fall in love with him so that she could give birth to him (as he did not have a body on our Earth). The two then left together all happy.

Chris Claremont, the writer of the Ms. Marvel series, took issue with this, and in an Avengers Annual, brought Carol back and pointed out how angry she was at the Avengers for taking her situation as genuine. In the same story, Carol was stripped of her powers and her personality, really, by the mutant Rogue.

Eventually, in the pages of X-Men (who Carol had been recuperating with), she gained NEW cosmic powers and a new name, Binary.

She stayed in outer space for some time, but returned to Earth, mostly stripped of her Binary powers, but re-joined the Avengers as Warbird.

She is currently the leader of the Avengers, using her old name, Ms. Marvel.

Here is why Eric Filemyr had her high on his list:

Let’s face it, Ms. Marvel is B List. And honestly, that is why I love her.

Yes, Spider-Man is the everyman. He has relatable girl and work problems, but he always goes about them in the most noble way. Carol Danvers has a lot of issues too, but she does not always correct them in the best way.

I first was introduced to Danvers in Kurt Busiek and George Perez’s Avengers relaunch. In those early issues, she had a ton of problems; she practically begged to be on the team, her powers were fading, and she was in denial about her alcoholism. On a team with figurative and literal gods like Captain America and Thor, here was a very human hero. Since she was an Avenger, I figured she would quickly recover in six issues. Instead, she quit the Avengers before they could kick her out. I was hooked; here was a heroine who couldn’t solve her own problems in one issues (this is pre-writing-for-the-trade, kids).

Carol is a hero though, and she did get herself together. She rejoined the Avengers and got help for her drinking from fellow alcoholic-super-hero Iron Man.

In the pages of “Alias,” she was lead character Jessica’s Jones’ best friend, even if Jessica didn’t realize or appreciate it. In this way, Carol came full circle, helping out a former heroine with a lot of the same insecurity she once had.

Time in the altered reality “House of M” really brought out the best in Danvers. In that reality she was Earth’s greatest hero, and when reality fixed itself, she decided there was no reason that she couldn’t be her reality’s greatest hero. In true Danvers-fashion, she went about it wrong at first, mostly through the use of a publicist. She even aligned herself with Tony Stark’s pro-registration forces in the Civil War, and traumatized the daughter of fellow hero Arachne when she arrests Arachne for opposing the registration. But again, Carol is a hero, and she fixed her mistakes, helping Arachne escape to Canada with her daughter and she even leads the Avengers now! Carol is not the greatest hero and she makes mistakes. But that is where she is relatable, and we can look up to her when she inevitably rights her wrongs.

Thanks again, Eric!

34. Adam Warlock – 186 points (3 first place votes)

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Technically, Adam Warlock was created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, in the pages of the Fantastic Four, as an artificial creation called “Him”. However, the character that we all know and (mostly) love is really a wholly original character, created by Jim Starlin, who wrote and drew the adventures of Adam Warlock.

Roy Thomas and Gil Kane were actually the creators who came up with turning Him into a superhero known as Adam Warlock, but their run on his title was short-lived. It was not until Starlin, working with relatively little restraint, took over the character that the character clicked in the minds of many fans.

Starlin told epic cosmic stories, with his first one having to do with Warlock facing off against the Magus, who was an evil future version of Warlock, himself!!

Once that story ended, Starlin pitted Warlock against another of Starlin’s creation, the evil cosmic being, Thanos.

It is actually sort of amusing how Starlin told these stories. While well-regarded today, the books did not sell all that well back then, so Starlin, in need of continuing the stories SOMEwhere, ended up co-opting other titles to tell his tales, using an Avengers Annual and a Marvel Two-in-One Annual to bring his Warlock/Thanos conflict to a resolution, a resolution that involved both characters dying (plus two popular supporting characters, as well, the raunchy troll, Pip, and the female assassin, Gamora).

In the early 90s, Starlin took over Silver Surfer, and brought the whole gang with him, leading to the booming success that was the Infinity Gauntlet. The mini-series (starring Thanos and Adam Warlock) proved so popular, Starlin not only was given a Warlock ongoing series as a spin-off, but TWO later crossovers, Infinity War and Infinity Crusade.

Warlock, I think, has died a couple of times since then (who can keep count?), and has not been seen really since Starlin did a sort of “fourth” part to the Infinity Trilogy a few years back called Infinity Abyss (okay, I’m sure he appeared SOME places, but nowhere prominently, and nowhere in over a year).

Here’s Andy Turnbull on why he had Warlock #1…

Ironically the first appearance I read of Adam Warlock was his death at the hands of Thanos in a UK reprint of the Marvel Two in One Annual from a book fair around 1990. I’m not sure why but the way Starlin so casually disposed of the hero stuck with me. Here was a universe where anything went, it was so unpredictable. The manner of his death was particularly haunting – while pretty badly wounded by Thanos he ends up stealing his own soul, so you have a man who has lived the last eighteen months of his life knowing what will happen to him. It adds a bleakness to the character, although rather than seeking to avoid this fate – he embraced it knowing his death was the right thing to happen. Through various friends I managed to scrounge the back issues and just when I got back up to speed Jim Starlin brought him back in the pages of the Silver Surfer. Which made me very happy.

The character was never the most conventional of heroes, if you could even call him that. Often almost amoral in his actions, with the end justifying the means. There were rare hints of some more human emotion in his reaction to the fate of the High Evolutionary and his dealings with Pip and Gamora.

He’s a tricky character to portray and sadly I don’t think anyone other than Starlin can do him justice. And I don’t think anything will ever measure up against those tales from the seventies.

Thanks, Andy!

33. Power Man (Luke Cage) – 190 points (1 first place vote)

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Luke Cage was created by Archie Goodwin and John Romita for the main goal of actually having an American black superhero.

Luke Cage was sent to prison for a crime he did not do. He ended up volunteering for an experiment in prison to cut down on his time, and the result gave him superpowers. Soon after, Cage was cleared of his crime, so he set off to become a “Hero for Hire” for the people of New York.

Eventually, he became a proper superhero, by gaining the name “Power Man.”

Soon after, Cage was joined in his Heroes for Hire gig with the hero, Iron Fist. The two were paired together for quite awhile after that, becoming great friends.

Sadly, Cage was once again framed – this time for the murder of Iron Fist (don’t worry, he didn’t really die!).

After going on the run for awhile, when Iron Fist returned, Cage once again became a hero of the people.

More recently, he has become an Avenger (even leading the current team!) and married the mother of his child, Jessica Jones (they named the baby after Iron Fist).

Here is why Karl Harris had his high on his list:

For me Luke Cage has appeared so highly for one reason. Brian Michael Bendis. Having not read much of the original Heroes for Hire series, my
first real interaction with Luke Cage came in the excellent Alias title.

Maybe its the fact I’ve grown up a bit but for me, Luke Cage is the new everyman of the Marvel Universe (overtaking Spidey in this respect). He has real concerns about his wife, his baby and his ideals. He’s a man who’s unafraid to stick to his priniciples often in the face of some hard
decisions and at a real cost for him. For me, that’s what a hero is and the fact that he has unbreakable skin and super-strength is purely coincidental.

He’s had some genuinely great character moments in the past few years which in my opinion have firmly moved him towards marvel’s A-list and he’s gone on a journey and evolved as a character. That feels pretty rare these days.

These include:

Calling Matt Murdock a hypocrite

Deciding to join the Avengers because he essentially wants his daughter to be proud of him.

His growing relationship with Spider-Man

Imposing real change on the Avengers (although some have maligned it, Cage making the Avengers stand on the street and stop drug dealers was a great moment for me)

And of course, his Civil War focus issue which for me was the best single issue of 2006 by any publisher.

I anticipate and look forward to more great moments with Luke over the next few years.

Thanks, Karl!

31 (tie). Galactus – 191 points (4 first place votes)

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Galactus showed up in the Fantastic Four (he was created by Jack Kirby and Stan Lee) with basically one goal – he wanted to eat the Earth.

And the Earth was basically the first planet to ever rebuff his advances.

Since then, we have learned more about him, like how Reed Richards believes Galactus is actually a necessary part of the cosmic universe.

So Galactus is still out there, hopping around, eating planets.

Here’s Laszlo, explaining why that’s so cool (enough that he was #1 on Laszlo’s list):

Galactus is the original “unbeatable foe”. The Galactus Trilogy launched a character that couldn’t be punched out or levelled by a laser blast. Heroes were forced into negotiations or conflicts that ended in stand-stills as opposed to emerging victorious. As a result Galactus was firmly established as the heaviest of heavy hitters in the Silver Age Marvel Universe.

His characters strengths have been diminished over the years with a multitude of defeats at the hands of a plethora of Marvel heroes and villains. He’s also been marred with a parade of ridiculous heralds since Nova, also underscoring his demotion from the top echelons of the Marvel food chain. But through all the poorly thought out uses for his character, compelling concepts of Galactus’ history, future and purpose have often flowered. Is he galactic population control? The destroyer of Celestial embryos? One thing is clear, he is above our standard classification of hero or villain, he is a force of cosmic nature. And that’s pretty darn cool.

Thanks, Laszlo!

31 (tie). Colossus – 208 points (2 first place votes)

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Piotr Rasputin was a farmer on his family’s farm in Russia when Professor Charles Xavier recruited him to join the X-Men (like most of the other new X-Men, he was created by Len Wein and Dave Cockrum).

Known as Colossus for his ability to grow in size and strength (and turn into metal), Rasputin became a longtime, and valued, member of the X-Men. He entered into a relationship with his teammate, Kitty Pryde, which Piotr sorta screwed up by falling for an alien lady during Secret Wars.

Piotr is a sensitive, artist-type, which is a cool irony with his powers, which are basically aggressive ones. After serving with the X-Men for many years, Colossus, distraught that his sister, Illyana Rasputin, was killed by a mutant virus, Colossus actually left the X-Men to join Magneto!

After awhile, Colossus realized that that was silly, and ended up joining up with Excalibur, and when that team disbanded, he re-joined the X-Men, staying with them until he seemingly perished in an attempt (a successful one, at that) to cure the virus that killed his sister.

More recently, he has returned to life, and is once again in a relationship with Kitty Pryde.

Tina had him #1…explain why, Tina!

I’ve always admired Colossus’ sense of love, honour and duty. He would do anything to protect the people he loved. From when he jumped in front of the tractor to save his sister Illyana which was the first manifestation of his mutant power to when he sacrificed himself, again because of his love for his sister, to stop the Legacy Virus that claimed her life. He has wanted to live an uncomplicated life in a highly complicated world. He is a warrior poet of sorts. He can look around after a battle and while others will see untold devastation, he will be the one to find a flower amongst the rubble. A massive hulk of a man who can crush a car with his bare hands but will go to any length to shoo a fly out of the house rather than swat it. He lives his life everyday to make it better on the day he leaves rather when he came into the world.

Thanks, Tina!

That’s it for today! More tomorrow!

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… And, so far, none of my choices have made it into the list.

In four cases I’m pretty confident that just means they were high-scorers. The other six almost certainly just don’t feature. Which, no surprise for Rhintrah or Cecilia Reyes, but still.

Of course I may be making dumbass assumptions here.

I assume you notice you titled this wrong, Brian?

Warlock is my second character to make the list. The whole Thanos saga will always be among my favourite comics. There’s little I love more than that Warlock series and the Avengers annual which followed. Warlock was a man searching for a place in the universe. Finally finding peace within the soul gem was a beautiful moment.

The last time I recall seeing him (hehe) was Thanos’ series, the one that Giffen took over.

I had tried my best to predict who the next 35 would be. I was right about Ms. Marvel, Luke Cage and Warlock making it. I didn’t bet on Colossus or Galactus, though I should have. Galactus was my #11 choice and I dearly regret not giving him a vote.

Also, are Galactus and Colossus actually tied?

Thanks, Chris. This is what I get for pushing to get it out there before you go to sleep. ;)

By the by, Warlock had a GREAT run at the end to get this far.

Halfway through, Warlock was EIGHTIETH!!!

I believe Colossus was on my list in the latter half, so he’s the first of my selections to make it.

Curiously there’s been relatively few X-characters so far, which makes me wonder if the rest of the list will be stacked with them. But at the same time Colossus and Rogue are 2 I would have expected much higher if the X-Men were to dominate the list.

Who else is definite?

Kitty Pryde, Nightcrawler, Wolverine, and Magneto for sure.

If Iceman made it I’d assume Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Beast would too. Storm maybe. I’d wager Storm and Prof. X are out, and so are most of the others.

I was just thinking about X-Men. I’ve thought of 23 non-X-Men I figure for shoe-ins (though I could be wrong). But that doesn’t leave space for a lot of X-Men.

I would bet Storm would make it. At least she should.

Obviously Wolverine and Deadpool

I agree Kitty, Nightcrawler, and Magneto.

I’d also expect Beast.

Jean would be my next assumption.

I wonder if Cyclops and Angel will make it? Or what about Havok or some newer people from Morrison or Whedon’s stuff? Bishop on the strength of the District X series?

Longshot is a bit of a lon– no, I’ll avoid the pun.

Psylocke might get points for being hot. It really just depends who’s voting.

I did vote for Psylocke, but not because she’s hot. I just happen to be old enough to remember the time when she had a personality, and was ruthless and sensible and took bubble baths with Storm. Not that the last part was a factor.

I’d now bet on her not charting, though. Much as I disdain Gambit, his fans tend to be a lot more shameless than the Betsy lovers, so she almost certainly wouldn’t beat him.

Great to see Ms.Marvel place on the list.Feel good I voted for her.

She’s made quite a comeback from long years of relative inactivity,and some misuse,to become an enjoyable and fresh heroine once again.

Hooray! one of my top ten finally makes it into the listing with Ms Marvel- I was beginning to get a bit worried. Luke Cage so nearly made the list as well- I’m currently reading Essential Luke cage volume 2 and my affection for the character is.
Its almost inevitable that some of the remaining 30 characters will be X-Men probably Jean Grey, Storm, NightCrawler, Wolverine (possibly!), Kitty Pryde and Beast. Not so sure about Angel/Archangel and many, many others.
Incidentally, How I failed to even think of Adam Warlock for the list is a mystery to me

Ms. Marvel? Seriously? It’s a good thing Frank Cho isn’t penciling a Shanna series, or she’d be #1. The same people who voted for Ms. Marvel should all have their votes thrown out unless they listed Captain Marvel as their first overall. He was the real hero, not Danvers.

Ms. Marvel? Seriously?

You took the words out of my mouth.

but also…

Colossus? Seriously?

and

Adam Warlock? Who??

I actually would have agreed with Ms. Marvel…until ‘Civil War’. Her actions in that crossover really made me dislike her intensely.

Both Ms Marvel and Luke Cage seem to be currently leading the Avengers. I bet the actual story is way more complex than that.

And I like Adam Warlock. The original Starlin story, at least.

Ms. Marvel is another one of my faves. Apparently, I like the ones no one else does. Like Colossus too!

I love Adam Warlock– #5 on my list. Jim Starlin did wonders with the character, making him one of Marvel’s first “complex” heroes. Sad, tragic, doomed. He has a wonderful theatrical appearance and a science/fantasy setting that would be a delight to draw.

SanctumSanctorumComix

September 18, 2007 at 6:50 am

DanCJ said:
“Adam Warlock? Who??”

And there we have one of the main reasons* that I did not send in any of my selections (although I did write up a great list).

I knew that far too many readers today do not have the “historical grasp” on SO MANY great characters that might be “before their time” or out of their X-fan interest.

I’m enjoying the article as a cross-section of what’s “popular” today, but still, I know it won’t be a “true” representation of great characters.

Still, Brian Cronin deserves a LOT of credit for his efforts and the work that must have gone into compiling the list after tabulating the data.

SO, I’m enjoying this countdown for what it is.

——-

*BTW…One of my OTHER reasons was that I desperately wanted to add ROM to my list, but he’s a formerly licenced character, and thusly, void.

~P~
P-TOR

Matthew Lazorwitz

September 18, 2007 at 7:14 am

Whoo-hoo! Adam Warlock was my #1, so I’m glad to see he made it. Now, all I need to see is Thanos, and I’ll be perectly happy.

Ms. Marvel? Really?

I’m sorry, but the character has never impressed me. She was originally just a third-tier female version of a male character, and the most notable thing she ever did was get her powers stolen by Rogue. Hell, ever since Civil War started her role as Tony’s bitch has basically led me to hate her guts (particularly that whole “beating up Spider-Woman in front of her kid” thing).

None of this batch would’ve made my list, though Luke Cage and Ms. Marvel would probably be in my top 50 somewhere.

Galactus is a fine concept, but I wouldn’t vote for him because he really *is* more force of nature than “character” – there’s not much *personality* there (and when writers occasionally try to give him one, it usually doesn’t work for me.)

Adam Warlock is the only one who definitely wouldn’t crack my top 100. Admittedly I’ve only seen him in various post-1980 stuff (and his first FF “Him” story that didn’t especially wow me) and haven’t read his original storyline, but Marvel’s “cosmic” stuff tends to bore me to tears.

Actually, Adam Warlock was last seen in the short-lived series “Thanos”.

Galactus is great! Happy he made the list, even if he didn’t make my top 10. HE EATS PLANETS!
Stoked that Ms. Marvel made it. If she made it at all, I figured it would be close to 50. Glad to see Carol get some support.
Now come on She-Hulk! I’m rooting for you!

Adam Warlock was on my list, too. Along with Luke Cage and Ms. Marvel. Guess who started reading comics in the 70’s?

GALACTUS, MOTHER FUCKER! DO YOU SPEAK IT?!

Good god I love me some Galactus.

I almost left Galactus off my list on the aforementioned grounds of his being more a force of nature than a truly developed character, but in the end: “Galactus, Devourer of Worlds!” A big dude that eats frakin’ planets. I love it. There’s just something so awesomely over the top about that concept. In the end, I had to put the Big G on my list.

Just a quick correction: Luke Cage wasn’t cleared of the crime that sent him to Seagate prison until Power Man and Iron Fist #50, long after he started his Hero for Hire gig. Never knowing if and when the wrong person would recognize him as an escaped convict was a running theme through the first five or so years of his series.

Warlock was eightieth at one point? Glad to see sanity prevailed and he was pushed higher up the list.

suedenim I do recommend picking up the Starlin run of Warlock from the seventies, there was a six issue mini done in 82 and reprinted again in 92 which has the the full run. Cracking stuff.

Andy

“I’m enjoying the article as a cross-section of what’s “popular” today, but still, I know it won’t be a “true” representation of great characters. ”

I’m sure you didn’t mean that to sound quite so self-centered.
While I’m always eager to take Cronin to task for boneheadedness these are not his choices, he is just counting. I am really enjoying the surprises and I think its interesting that a character like Ms. Marvel DID place well, it makes her having her own book seem more justified.

I don’t think SHRA positions are terribly relevant.At least not to me.I definately didn’t,and don’t,agree with Iron Man.Nonetheless,he merits a high list spot imo.

Carol’s classic series was enjoyable for what it was.I liked her in Busiek’s Avengers.Particulay upon ironing out her personal problems.And her new series has improved pretty nicely.I’m not particulary warm to her in Mighty Avengers yet.But then,I’m not warm to anyone in that book so far.

I guess I was one of those late votes for Warlock as I got my votes on the last day of the poll. Glad I was able to raise his position from 80th !

Starlins 70’s run on the character is amazing. As a kid I didn’t understand a word it but as an adult I love it :)

It’s hard to believe Warlock almost didn’t make it. I wasn’t one of the late helpers as I think my vote got in relatively quickly, but I had him at #6 (though I desperately wanted him to be #2)

Thank you to all the late voters who saved the day. You’re the real heroes.

It didn’t even occur to me that ROM would be void. I didn’t pay enough attention to the licensed characters thing, I guess. Is ROM the type of character you were trying to exclude with that?

I wonder if my #2 choice was even appropriate under the rules.

I knew that far too many readers today do not have the “historical grasp” on SO MANY great characters that might be “before their time” or out of their X-fan interest.

If, y’know, ANY of us have a decent grasp on Marvel’s history. I’m probably better read in the Timely/Atlas stuff of the fifties than 98% of the voting public. And I’ve read maybe 30-40 books. I certainly wouldn’t consider myself able to effectively judge the best work Marvel comics (or whatever it’s been called, historically) has done throughout it’s history. And I am scary, SCARY comics nerd.

I would agree that while I consider myself something of a Marvel guy, my presuperhero reading is limited to the point of being inconsequential.

Even my post-1961 reading has lots and lots of holes in it. Things I’ve read only in part or not at all. And I don’t pay attention much to what’s been going on this past year.

The list is certainly telling us about the voters, but it’s supposed to. Brian was pretty explicit in the instructions that “favourite” didn’t mean “best”. People could come up with their own criterion and pick the characters that meant the most to them. So in a sense the point of the exercise was to tell us about the voters. I think you can tell a lot about a man by what characters they choose.

It seems to me the instructions didn’t call for a separation between characters and voters. Because somebody making this list reveals something both about the strength of the character and the people who voted for that character. I think these things are inseparable and should be. It’s all part of why I find this a valuable exercise.

That’s what I think.

Adam Warlock who cares?

It just seems like a lot of people’s “favorites” are really just kind of trendy picks. Make this list 10 years ago and I’d wager most of these people wouldn’t have Ms. Marvel or Power Man in their top 100 Marvel, let alone top ten. They won’t be on this list ten years from now, either.

I’m glad to see that Colossus made it onto the list. I didn’t have him on mine because I felt that it already had enough mutants, but he definately deserved a spot on the final tally.

People choose their favourites from what they’re exposed to.

It seems sensible that the more recent stuff has reached the largest percentage of voters.

I suspect for example Iron Fist’s new series helped him get far more votes than he would have prior to its start. His presence in New Avengers doesn’t hurt either, I’m sure. That just seems sensible that it’s how this should work. Hence Ms. Marvel and Luke Cage make the list, where they may not have just a decade ago.

But the real top spots will probably need support of old and new fans though. Daredevil will probably do well because of the people who love Brubaker’s take combined with the people who love Miller’s (hopefully there’s a large intersection there).

DanCJ said:
“Adam Warlock? Who??”

And there we have one of the main reasons* that I did not send in any of my selections (although I did write up a great list).

I knew that far too many readers today do not have the “historical grasp” on SO MANY great characters that might be “before their time” or out of their X-fan interest.

I’m enjoying the article as a cross-section of what’s “popular” today, but still, I know it won’t be a “true” representation of great characters.

Still, Brian Cronin deserves a LOT of credit for his efforts and the work that must have gone into compiling the list after tabulating the data.

SO, I’m enjoying this countdown for what it is.

——-

*BTW…One of my OTHER reasons was that I desperately wanted to add ROM to my list, but he’s a formerly licenced character, and thusly, void.

~P~
P-TOR

I understand your point there, Peter, but I’m a bit confused as to what you thought it would be, otherwise. Right from the get-go, it was pretty clear that yes, this IS a popularity contest.

And that’s the point – to see which characters are the most popular from a (fairly significant) cross-section of folks who read Comic Book Resources, which I am pretty sure are a pretty good cross-section of the people who read comics and follow comic content on-line, which was once the province of the devoted, and now seems to have become more of a generalized thing, to the point where lists like these probably DO match “general” views a great deal more than a similar list would have, say, ten years ago.

And that’s interesting to see, no? Who DO “the people” like RIGHT THIS MINUTE, September 2007?

They won’t be on this list ten years from now, either.

Yeah, but then we’ll see trendy favorites like Captain KingBadAssInfinity and the Qwueueueuevu%l.

I’m enjoying the article as a cross-section of what’s “popular” today, but still, I know it won’t be a “true” representation of great characters.

And I gotta point out that the problem of exposure is MUCH worse for DC, just because there have been many more DC comics published than Marvel books.

I think Sugar and Spike is an absolutely fantastic comic book. But in order to read it you have to spend lots of time and money, ’cause most of S & S has NEVER been reprinted.

And even Sugar and Spike is FAR more available than much of DC’s Golden Age output. How many of us can judge the effectiveness of the Terrific Whatzit as a character?

So, yeah, I think that having even a FAIR historical knowledge of Marvel or DC is a silly criteria to expect of people. (Because, well, I don’t think I have a fair historical knowledge, and I certainly feel qualified to vote. :)) There’s just too damn many comics, and too few of them in print.

Heh.

Just for the record, I’m really enjoying the format as is. Thus far, if I’m not seeing genuine greatness, I’m definitely seeing a ton of (often unexpected) coolness. Which, in re: mainstream comics, is still saying a lot.

But the real top spots will probably need support of old and new fans though.

Right. I’d also point out, re: the ‘trendy’ argument, that at least three of the Fantastic Four came out lower than Adam Warlock – despite the whole ‘blockbuster movie starring Jessica Alba’ gig. Clearly, even if these are the trendy picks of the moment, there’s some thought been put into why.

Galactus and Warlock in the top 35? I didn’t see this one coming.

Luke Cage and Ms. Marvel are more or less around i’d expect them to.

I’m surprised Colossus finished ahead of both Rogue and Iceman, and i think if he made it that high, at least Wolverine (duh!), Beast, Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, Magneto and Cyclops are sure bets to be on the list. Although except for Wolverine, i don’t see any of them in the top 10.

Magneto in the top ten. Betcha a dollar.

“I think Sugar and Spike is an absolutely fantastic comic book. But in order to read it you have to spend lots of time and money, ’cause most of S & S has NEVER been reprinted.”

Wow, I wouldn’t have gone back that far, but maybe a shout out for the Inferior Five wouldn’t be out of the question.

Ms. Marvel is the first one I’m really surprised by. She’s one of the very few Marvel characters that does nothing at all for me.

18.Matthew Lazorwitz said …

Whoo-hoo! Adam Warlock was my #1,

Here’s Andy Turnbull on why he had Warlock #1…

I feel like I must have my first post on CSBG now, as mine was the third #1 vote for Adam.
Even if I found him only by chance, as here in Italy was the backup of Fantastic Four during the 80s, he was one of my favourites from the start.
And Andy summed up almost perfectly why.

I’ve never cared for any of those characters. Not a one, and I’m a huge Marvel fan.

I haven’t read the original Warlock/Magus epic in ages. Who at Marvel do I need to berate to get a TPB of those stories? I have the comics, but they’re stored at my brother’s house over 7 hrs drive from here.

I’m thrilled that Colossus did so well, and I did vote for him. I’m glad Adam Warlock made the list, which is a bit of a surprise, and I’m disappointed that Ms. Marvel, as she is now, did as well as she did. As of Civil War, she’s one of a very few characters (along with Iron Man, for reference) that invoke a truly negative reaction in me.

“Make this list 10 years ago and I’d wager most of these people wouldn’t have Ms. Marvel or Power Man in their top 100 Marvel, let alone top ten. They won’t be on this list ten years from now, either.”

These lists shouldn’t be immutable though. As new stories are written about the different characters, their relative positions [i]should[/i] change. Whether Ms Marvel or Power Man are on the list in 10 years will depend on whether there are interesting stories about them in the next 10 years.

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