CBI Archive
Top 50 DC Characters #20-16
Thursday, September 20th, 2007 at 9:43 PM EST
Updated: Friday, September 21st, 2007 at 2:21 AM EST
Now DC’s turn…
19 (tie). Lex Luthor (All Star version – 11) – 344 points (1 first place vote)

Possibly the second most famous creation of Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, Lex Luthor has worn many hats in his years in the Superman titles (and not even to cover his bald head!).
He’s been a criminal.
He’s been a SUPER criminal.
He’s been the head of an entire PLANET full of people!!
He’s been a battle suit wearing criminal.
He’s been an even BIGGER battle suit wearing criminal.
After Crisis, John Byrne and Marv Wolfman re-molded Luthor as a ruthless billionaire who only Superman knew was a criminal. This Luthor was used to being the biggest deal in Metropolis, so he was quite pissed when Superman took over.
He’s been a younger cloned version of himself.
He’s been President of the United States.
He’s been a crazy nutjob.
He’s been the head of a Society of Super-Villains.
Basically, Luthor has been it all. One of the smartest men on Earth, Luthor is disgusted at the attention people pay Superman, and has spent most of his adult life finding out ways to destroy Superman.
If only he used his genius for good…
Here’s why Koby Bailey had Luthor at the top of his list…
Luthor is absolutely brilliant embodying the paradigms of corporate executive, scientist and politician. He has effectively achieved the pinnacle in each of those areas as leader of a multi billion dollar corporation, a well-known corporate philanthropist, a brilliant inventor and president. At least in the last few years, he has been regarded as the reason behind Metropolis’ wealth and prestige. Yet, for all his achievements he is obsessed with Superman. He feels that Superman ultimately makes humanity weak as they become dependent upon him. He feels that Superman is stunting the growth of humanity. He feels that Superman is ultimately untrustworthy given Superman’s great power. And I think most of all he feels that Superman takes Luthor’s rightful place as the pinnacle of all that is the best of humanity. Luthor is Machevillian (sp) and ruthless in achieving his goals, running over, undercutting or co opting his opponents.
I don’t really like to think of Luthor as the whole battle suit facing off against the Justice League in the open concept. Luthor, I believe is likely to head up an Injustice League, but would use “supervillains” as his tools. Luthor always struck me as a figure more akin to a secret master of the Illuminati than a villainous Tony Stark in a combat suit.
Thanks, Koby!
19 (tie). John Constantine – 344 points (8 first place votes)

Created by the classic Swamp Thing creative team of Alan Moore, John Totleben and Steve Bissette, John Constantine showed up in the pages of Swamp Thing to advise Swamp Thing on supernatural matters, but mostly, he was there to con Swamp Thing into doing stuff Constantine wanted to get done. Luckily for everyone on Earth, Constantine mostly wanted to do GOOD things.
He soon became so popular that he graduated into his own title, which is now one of the longest running titles in DC history that does not star Batman or Superman.
Constantine is basically a con man who uses magic to get his way. One of his most famous deals was when he sold his soul to three separate demons, so when he died, they had to let him return to Earth, less hell go to war over the three battling for his soul.
Constantine mostly does magic as a rush, but he does get a lot of good things done, too. All while usually wearing his trademark trench coat, white shirt and black tie.
Here is Derek Pears explaining why he had Constantine #1…
For me John Constantine is a truly unique creation. Anyone can come up with a spandex-clad puncher-and-kicker (we’ve all played the TSR Marvel game, right?) but someone like John, someone who just by himself alone demonstrates the very purpose of the Vertigo line, that takes a spark of genius. In a day when most ideas are just derivations on a theme, an archetype, or a twist on the past, a John Constantine is something we all should treasure if we like to think of ourselves as ‘comic book fans’. If someone were to ask you to recommend a character ‘like Superman, but not him’ you could probably rattle off half a dozen names from around the industry. If that same person were to ask you for a character ‘like John Constantine, but not him’…who could you say? The man is just so damn distinct and that is something we, as fans of this industry, should treasure and never let die.
This Top Fifty list highlights an awful lot of good characters, characters representative amongst my collection of TPBs. When The Wife was flicking through them for something to read in the bath that title she eventually settled on was Hellblazer (the one about the whole icky cancer thing, not the cheeriest bath-time reading, sorry love!). She really enjoyed it. I tried her out on a few other more…’traditional’ titles after that, but to no joy. Her reason why she picked John’s book over theirs (by a country mile)? “Because he’s much more like a real character.” That says it pretty well i reckon.
Plus he looks a bit like Sting.
Thanks, Derek!
18. Black Canary (Dinah Lance) – 352 points (4 first place votes)

Black Canary debuted during the Golden Age, created by Robert Kanigher and Carmine Infantino. Dinah Lance, like a lot of her soon-to-be Justice Society of America teammates, was basically just a brawler.
When the Justice Society began showing up again in the 60s, and teaming up with the Justice League, Black Canary (Dinah Lance)’s husband was killed by the villain Aquarius. Distraught, Canary decided to leave Earth-2, where the Justice Society resided, and move to Earth-1, where the Justice League was.
While there initially an attraction between Dinah and Batman, she eventually began a long-term romantic relationship with Green Arrow.
The two stayed in the Justice League for years, until Green Arrow quit the League, and Canary ultimately joined him.
Along the way, we learned that Canary had a superpower - the ability to emit a piercing sonic scream. We ALSO learned, through a pretty convoluted way, that Canary was actually in the body of the DAUGHTER of the first Canary. Yep, they moved her memories into the mind of her secret daughter no one knew about.
After Crisis, they just made it so that there were ALWAYS two Canaries. One was the mother, and she was in the JSA. The daughter had the superpower, and was in the JLA.
Amusingly, Green Arrow went from being the May part of the relationship to being the December part!
After Dinah left the Jusrice league (shorty after the Justice League International version started), she was captured and tortured by some bad guys, leaving her without her sonic scream.
After Green Arrow was presumed dead for awhile, Canary became an operative for Barbara Gordon, the former Batgirl. Dinah stayed with Barbara for quite awhile, even when Green Arrow returned.
Recently, though, Canary left Barbara and became the chairwoman of the current Justice League of America.
Here is Ryan Bristow on Black Canary…
I first encountered Black Canary in, where else, Birds of Prey (Gail Simone-era). What made like this character is her character growth or development. Prior to BOP, she was mostly known as Green Arrow’s girlfriend who gets kidnapped (one would mostly remember her torture during Mike Grell’s GA run) or being Ollie’s wet blanket.
Dinah Lance isn’t a faux-goddess or a deux-machina. She, like everyone else, started at the lowest of the lows and has risen her way to the top. She doesn’t give crap on what others think of her and she values her friendships. When deciding she’s had enough of being a damsel-in-distress, she begins a training with Lady Shiva that may corrupt her into something that’s worst than Shiva herself. But in the end, she pulls back from the dark stuff and decides to become a heroine and a foster mother.
Not to mention she’s now the JLA’s chairwoman.
That’s the best I can give about Black Canary. I think others may give better opinions on her.
Coincidentally enough, I also have one from Susan, as well!
Black Canary is my favorite character because I find a kindred spirit with this character. She is a survivor. She has had really bad luck with men and has pulled through it. Also, despite the attempts of artists and writers to do otherwise, she’s been around a while and is a cheerfully hot woman over 30 with a cool job and no babies, but still has time for her extended family and good friends. She has always been written as someone with a really normal core and even though she had every right to play the victim card, she refused to be the victim. She is someone I can relate to who gives me hope.
What can I say?
She’s my hero.
Thanks Ryan and Susan!!
17. Rorschach – 363 points (5 first place votes)

Rorschach was created by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons in their classic mini-series, Watchmen.
Based on Steve Ditko’s The Question, Rorschach was a ruthless investigator who believed in absolutism and objectivism, and also was probably more than a little bit insane.
It is Rorschach who leads the drive of the murder mystery in Watchmen, as he attempts to discover who killed the former superhero, The Comedian.
Rorschach is known for his mask, which is based on the Rorschach psychological test.
Why did Tyson Wright pick him #1?
I chose Rorschach as my #1 because I think he’s the most interesting character. Not the most powerful, not the best, certainly not the most admirable.
In general, I’m more of a classic Marvel guy than a classic DC guy. Marvel’s heroes tend to be defined by their flaws (Spider-man’s guilt over Uncle Ben, for example) and how they struggle with them, where it always seemed to me that DC’s classic characters were defined primarily by their strengths (Superman comes to mind here). Rorschach was different than either of those - his greatest strengths are his greatest weaknesses. His complete rejection of moral ambiguity, for example, enables him to do things that are morally ambiguous (at best!). His single-minded focus allows him to achieve things that most people couldn’t (surviving the prison riot, or tracking the mask-killer back to Veidt), but this same thing makes it hard on Nite-Owl to be his friend.
Rorschach is clearly a commentary on Objectivism - we all know about the connection between him and Ditko’s Question (and Ditko’s Mr. A, to a lesser extent). But I also think that Rorschach is the comic book, super-hero, real-world answer to Howard Roark in Ayn Rand’s novel The Fountainhead. (Dave Gibbons drawings of Rorschach’s alter-ego Walter Kovacs even look like Rand’s descriptions of Roark.) Rand uses Roark to exemplify the virtues of this uncompromising morality, and Moore answers this by using Rorschach to show that this is such an oversimplification that it’s ultimately meaningless. The writing and art are so good that the reader is forced to feel compassion for this compassionless character as we see how lost he really is.
The last scene with Rorschach is one of the best character scenes I’ve seen in super-hero comics. He tears off his mask (his “face”) as he’s goading Dr. Manhattan to kill him. He’s struggling with the fact that he can’t accept Veidt’s solution, but he can’t really assail it, either. Moore has said in interviews that he’s not sure why he had Rorschach remove the mask there, but that it just felt right. I’ve always thought that, since he finally faced a moral dilemma that he couldn’t resolve, he felt that he couldn’t be Rorschach any more, so he removed the mask. And, since Kovacs couldn’t be Rorschach, he got Manhattan to kill him. That was the end result of his black-and-white view of the world. It’s a heartbreaking scene - this merciless character can’t even extend mercy to himself. And, even if you don’t buy any of that, let’s be honest: Rorschach is one of the coolest-looking super-heroes ever. That he is!
Thanks, Tyson!
16. Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner) – 364 points (6 first place votes)

Kyle Rayner, created by Ron Marz and Daryl Banks, was just an average struggling Los Angeles artist when a strange little man came up to him outside a bar and gave him one of the most powerful weapons in the whole universe.
For quite a time, Kyle was the last Green Lantern in the universe, given the responsibility to carry on for the entire Green Lantern Corps legacy. Kyle soon found that being a hero came with a price, as his girlfriend was murdered by a government agent looking for Kyle’s power source.
In fact, Kyle has had three notable girlfriends, all of whom have been killed at one point. Luckily, one of them at least, Donna Troy, has returned.
Kyle soon got the hang of being a superhero, joining the Titans and then the Justice League of America, where he served with distinction.
When the Green Lantern Corps were finally reborn, Kyle was honored as being the torchbearer for the Corps. He was also given a NEW responsibility, the “Ion” power.
Recently, though, Kyle was possessed by the yellow fear monster, Parallax, and became a bad guy. Luckily, this did not last long, and now Kyle is back to being a Green Lantern once again!!
Who else could I get to write Kyle’s explanation than the biggest Kyle fan I know, Lisa Fortuner…
Kyle Rayner’s likable and relatable because he is a daydreamer artist with the power to make those daydreams take form in my favorite color. He’s entertaining because he could be forced to crawl naked through the mud on a distant solar system, completely lost and with no way home, and his internal monologue would consist of gripes about his love life and resentful statements about Wally West.
He’s at the top of my list because even when he comes off as a spoiled, self-absorbed slacker you can still believe he’ll jump blindfolded and powerless into the Grand Canyon (even if the bottom was lined with broken glass) if there’s a way it will help someone else. This is a guy that has jumped into an alien hell and dragged another character out of the afterlife. He makes a hobby of resurrecting (and helping to resurrect) dead heroes at the same time his own romantic history proves he has the kiss of death. How can you not want to read that?
Thanks, Lisa!
That’s it for today!
More tomorrow!!






28 Comments
Graham Vingoe
September 21, 2007 at 4:00 am
There’s a little piece inside me that desperately , desperately wants to gloat at Hal Jordan probably beating Kyle Rayner in the poll. BUT I love Kyle as much as Hal Anyway before people complain - I just have a longer history of Jordan worshipping.
And a good showing from Rorscach on the list. Will Doctor Manhattan make the top 15?
Mecha-Shiva
September 21, 2007 at 4:42 am
I’m a little surprised Luthor wasn’t higher.
Danar
September 21, 2007 at 5:12 am
The trend continues with Marvel going up decisively after trailing DC until rank 23. Now at #16, Marvel is up 92 points and still has a much higher rate of increase (17 points per rank for Marvel, 6 points per rank for DC).
A few more interesting tidbits from the top 15-50 :
Heroes - Marvel 33, DC 30
Villains - Marvel 5, DC 6
Heroes & Villains (villains who have switched sides or vice versa) - Marvel 3, DC 1
Primarily from another setting - Marvel (Unlimited) 2, DC (Vertigo, etc) 10
Power Team - Marvel (Avengers) 6, DC (JLA) 11
Other “Teams” Marvel - X 11, Defenders 1, Avengers 5, FF 7, Spiderman 3.
Other “Teams” DC - Birds of Prey 3, JSA 4, Teen Titans 1
Galactic Level (Anyone can go into space, but these have made Galactic level action a primary focus) - Marvel 4, DC 6
Legacy (characters who share their name/identity with others, such as Flash, Green Lantern and Huntress) - Marvel 0, DC 13
Magic - Marvel 0, DC 8
Supporting Cast - Marvel 2, DC 0
Humor (Characters known for humor more than traditional action) - Marvel 2, DC 2
Comments: About the same level of heroes and villains from both lists.
Heroes are far more popular than villains. What were the odds?
JLA is coming in far higher than Avengers, but there are a lot of characters from both lists yet to come.
Odd that the Fantastic Four have 6 members on this list without even getting to the Thing.
I expected more of the Spiderman characters, but it looks like the X-characters took their slots.
I expected more Teen Titans by now, but I think some of them scored higher than I expected.
Vertigo is coming on much stronger than Unlimited,
DC has a LOT more magic and legacy than Marvel on this list.
Supporting characters appear in very low numbers and solely for Spiderman.
Humorous characters appeared in low numbers and mostly at the bottom of the list.
avengers63
September 21, 2007 at 6:00 am
It only stands to reason that Vertigo would be a lot stronger than Ultimate. V has been going for around 17 years. U has been only 6-7.
I’m surprised that any Watchmen ranked. They were around for 12 issues…period. I guess it’s a real testament to the writing.
Chud
September 21, 2007 at 7:15 am
Kyle Rayner beat out Rorschach? REALLY?!
Andrew Brown
September 21, 2007 at 7:22 am
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
BrianC
September 21, 2007 at 7:39 am
The legacy and magic differentiation is really interesting to me. Personally I love the idea of handing down a cape/cowl/cosmic rod to the next generation (and probably why I like DC a little more), but I know the idea of continuity (or baggage, depending) turns some people off. A strength of DC and also a curse, I imagine.
sean
September 21, 2007 at 7:57 am
Hmmm… I’m starting to suspect Tommy Monaghan isn’t gonna make it.
If he can’t even make an esoteric list composed by small group of die-hards, it’s no wonder he got cancelled prematurely.
Patrick Zircher
September 21, 2007 at 7:57 am
John Constantine is #9 on my list of DC faves. He’s a character that an artist can really get behind, because, in addition to the dark mood of the series, there’s a wonderful juxtaposition of supernatural elements and real moments.
Whether Constantine’s one-of-a-kind, as Derek mentions, or not is debatable. The ‘realistic’ supernatural detective has been around a long time. There was a wave of Brit writers telling “supernatural detective” stories in the 20’s, 30’s and 40’s. They may have inspired Siegel & Shuster’s 1935 creation, Dr. Occult. They probably inspired Constantine’s co-creator, Alan Moore. Mister E and Hannibal King, both trenchcoat-garbed, “realistic” combatants of the supernatural, pre-date him as well. But Constantine is, obviously, the most successful, popular, and, frankly, best of these types of comic characters.
The Mutt
September 21, 2007 at 9:00 am
Looks like Rorschach is going to take the “fewest appearances and still made the list” prize.
Eric
September 21, 2007 at 9:46 am
I had Green Lantern and Black Canary on my list. Dinah was actually a contender for my number 1, but I had to give that one to Wonder Woman after really hard consideration. Susan, you are my hero for your description of Dinah. At the start of Birds of Prey, she was at her lowest rung after Ollie’s death, and over the course of Dixon and Simone’s runs, we have seen to climb her up to chairperson of the frakkin Justice League of America. Unlike what would have happened with a lot of franchise characters, Dinah got built up over years to her current level, isntead of off-panel or over six issues. Also, Simone didn’t have a single serious romantic thread during her several years with Birds, so it was great to see a group of sexy, powerful women not have every story deal with men. I’ll eat my hat if Oracle doesn’t show up still, further testament to how great the Birds of Prey are.
Honestly, it made my day to see Dinah rank so low; I have a serious ear-to-ear grin. Which is awkward, because I am at work.
Danar
September 21, 2007 at 9:59 am
I think the legacy thing is going to help AND hurt certain DC characters. It certainly looks like all 4 Flashes will make the list and I won’t be surprised if we see at least 4 Green Lanterns. While that is kind of cool, it also means there are fewer slots for some of the more esoteric and unique DC characters. (I’m going to be very disappointed if Amanda Waller doesn’t make the list.) It also means that some characters don’t show up as highly as they should. For example, I could see someone deciding that they couldn’t put 2 Flashes on their list, so they skip Wally in favor of Barry. Result might be that Wally drops a few ranks. I can’t prove that happened, but I find it likely.
By the way, are there any other categories that might be interesting to look at? Most of the ones I noted came about as I looked at the list and spotted interesting trends (like Ambush Bug and Howard the Duck coming in close to the same rank).
Danar
September 21, 2007 at 10:01 am
Oh, and almost forgot to mention. Based on the current trendlines, #1 for DC will be coming out to about 550 points and #1 for Marvel will come out just under 900 points. I know these are NOT going to be accurate, but that’s the way the current trend is going.
Steve T
September 21, 2007 at 10:16 am
Canary was my #1.Narrowly nosing out Barbara Gordon/Oracle.(Though I’m not so sure about that in retrospect as Barb has been highly successful in multiple personas.)Regardless,one way or the other,they’re the highest quality DC characters of those who are among my favorites.
Birds of Prey has been one of the most consistently high quality and enjoyable runs in recent comics.Gail’s part in particular has done much to define and raise the character’s involved.Dinah has been depicted as strong,professional,and independent.While also still having a light hearted side.Even her status among DC’s top fighters was upgraded smoothly without damaging others.I’m enjoying her as the JLA chairperson,too.The scene with Canary attacking the Tornado android and comments with it were priceless.
I’ll admit to perhaps being slightly surprised Canary didn’t places a few positions higher even.
Andrew Collins
September 21, 2007 at 11:11 am
I always loved that John Constantine came about as a character after Steve Bissette told Alan Moore he wanted to draw a character who looked like Sting. Speaking of which, I would have much preferred to see Sting in the Constantine movie than Keanu Reeves, but anyway…
Constantine and Rorschach both just barely missed my list. I’m glad they both still scored so high though.
Trevorfrost
September 21, 2007 at 11:22 am
Whoo Hoo! Way to go Kyle!! #4 on my list. I am very happy to see him so highly ranked.
suedenim
September 21, 2007 at 11:29 am
Not sure if others used this logic, but I didn’t really think of characters whose stories are “done.” Like (notwithstanding JLA/Hitman) Tommy Monaghan, a character who was great, but he’s dead now, or Rorschach.
(Though I have to admit to some inconsistency in this not-totally-conscious approach, as I voted for Barry Allen, but he still has something of a presence.)
Ian
September 21, 2007 at 11:44 am
It never really occured to me before but DC has a real branding problem on their hands. The legacy characters are neat in concept, but when 4 (or 5 counting Jon) of your most popular characters all go by the same super hero identity, it really limits your liscensing and title options.
I guess Kyle, Guy, and John might never have been popular if there weren’t ring-wearers, but I sure bet DC wishes they could do more with them instead of only getting to focus on one at a time.
Basically all of this applies to the Flash as well. And Robin too to a lesser extent.
Ian Astheimer
September 21, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Kyle! Woot!
He was, I believe, #3 on my list.
Rebis
September 21, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Animal Man, Oracle and Black Canary were my top three. I’m confident Oracle will crack the Top Ten. That whole first career as Batgirl surely boosts her up big-time … though I don’t think I’d've ever voted for her in my Top Ten if she’d never become Oracle. For which I thank not Alan Moore but John Ostrander. Thank you, Mr. Ostrander!
Will
September 21, 2007 at 4:32 pm
That whole first career as Batgirl almost got me to not vote for Oracle. Almost.
I guess I have a problem with imitations.
The Mutt
September 21, 2007 at 4:49 pm
You know, this is so much fun I wish it had been the top 100.
Can we do a poll of favorite Non-DC/Marvel characters next?
Please?
Andrew
September 21, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Hmmm, if Kyle’s already on the list, I don’t much like the chances of John Stewart making it too. Which is a shame, because his supporting role in the Rayner era Lantern series was one of the best aspects of the book.
stephen cade
September 21, 2007 at 7:30 pm
Well, I’ve only seen 2 of my top ten so far–does that mean the other 8 are in the top 15?
Probably not, but I should see a couple of them at least.
Joe Gualtieri
September 21, 2007 at 10:07 pm
Wow, just wow. This hte first time the DC results have annoyed me. Luthor, only 19th?
Constantine 19th?
Every character owned by Marvel or DC has, at some point, had some violence done to it. That’s what happens to coporate intellectual property that bounces from hired hand to hired hand. From both companies, Constantine’s the character who has, by far, had the least amount of violence done him. I’m shocked he got only 7 other first place votes. Ofr my money, the only character with as little coporate taint on him is Doom, and that’s thanks in no small part to the brilliant Doombot idea.
The Mutt
September 21, 2007 at 11:35 pm
I hadn’t really thought about it until you mentioned it, Joe, but for having been around twenty years, Constantine is amazingly like his first appearance. Hell, most characters have been through four costumes and three names after twenty years. Constantine is Constantine and always has been.
Kristen
September 22, 2007 at 6:47 am
I struggled with Rorschach. Ultimately, I left him off. And he probably would have been my #1 if I hadn’t. I’ve even broken down in the past and bought memorabilia with him on it, and that’s the only time I’ve done that. But Watchmen is just too far removed from the DCU for me. That was my limiter, like Susan using completed stories. I did make one Vertigo exception that I couldn’t resist, although it looks like he’s not making it. But overall, if I can’t use Elijah Snow, who has appeared with Batman, then using a title that could really have been published under any name with no changes seemed outside of the spirit of the survey. (This doesn’t mean I didn’t understand the logic of ownership. Just how it then impacted my voting.)
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