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Top 50 Marvel Characters #20-16

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20. Jean Grey (Marvel Girl/Phoenix) – 374 points (13 first place votes)

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Jean Grey (created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby) was one of the founding members of th X-Men.

She stayed with the team for many years, using her telepathy and telekinesis as a hero. When the team was revamped a few years later, Jean took some time off, but continued seeing her teammate, Cyclops.

However, soon after the new team formed, Jean (and the rest of the X-Men) were kidnapped. After a battle, the group found themselves in a damaged spacecraft headed for Earth. Someone had to pilot the ship – but whoever did would certainly perish. Jean insisted that she be the one (much to Cyclops’ dismay). As she sat there, slowly dying – a cosmic force called the Phoenix came to Jean, and offered to save her life (and the lives of the X-Men) if Jean allowed her to be Jean, and experience life as a human.

Jean agreed, and when the ship landed, the Phoenix took over Jean’s life, albeit at a much more higher power level. Eventually, though, the Phoenix could not handle life as a human, and went nuts – killing a whole PLANET. However, even though it only COPIED Jean’s thoughts – Jean was such a great hero that even a copy of her was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, and the Phoenix killed itself.

Awhile later, the Avengers found Jean in a cocoon near where the ship had crashed, years earlier. She was alive, and the other members of the original X-Men came to her, and the five of them formed a new team, X-Factor.

When that team broke up, she joined the rest in becoming X-Men again. Along the way, she married her long-time love, Cyclops.

Also, we learned that while the Phoenix WAS a separate force, Jean was actually born able to CHANNEL the Phoenix force, which is why the force approached her to begin with, rather than some other random human.

So Jean began to exhibit her Phoenix powers again.

Eventually, Cyclops began to have an affair with Emma Frost. Soon after, Jean was killed by Magneto in battle.

Now absorbed into the White Hot Room (which is where Phoenix-bearers go), Jean’s last wish was to convince her husband to pursue a relationship with Emma now that Jean was dead. He did so.

So Jean is currently dead, but come on, her NAME is the PHOENIX!!

Here is Samuel Mendoza on why he had Jean #1…

Jean is the first X-Woman ever, and even though that’s an important part of her character that will always be something she’ll be recognized as, she grew into someone who is a lot more, becoming what I can definitely class as the heart of the X-Men, an probably the best leading figure in an ideological way to the group, right after Professor Xavier.

The Phoenix stories made her a heroine and an even bigger character within Marvel mythologies, and they continue to be, long after her death. She’s the person who’d sacrifice her life over and over again to save a universe, or just one life, because her love for the people around her is bigger than her own life for her, and that humanity is the part of her character that made the Phoenix chose her, and why I did, too.

Thanks, Samuel!

19. Jamie Madrox, The Multiple Man- 399 points (11 first place votes)

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Created by Len Wein, Chris Claremont and John Buscema, Jamie Madrox began creating duplicates of himself when he was a young boy, leading his father to create a special suit designed to guard Jamie from the kinetic energy that would create more duplicates of himself.

His parents were killed when Jamie was a young teen, and he stayed on the family farm until the suit began to malfunction. Mr. Fantastic of the Fantastic Four helped Jamie out, and sent him to live with Moira MacTaggart as her lab assistant. That’s where Jamie would stay for a number of years, although he did have some adventures here and there.

During a big confrontation on Muir Isle (where Jamie and Moira resided), a whole bunch of mutants who had been led there by the Shadow King basically did not have a purpose. In stepped Val Cooper of the US Government, who needed a replacement for their Freedom Force team. Cooper picked up the various mutants who were not already on the X-Men and made them the new X-Factor.

Jamie was one of those picked.

He served with X-Factor for years until he was seemingly killed by the mutant-killing Legacy Virus.

After awhile, this was discovered to be untrue, and Jamie basically went into the background. He was brought back recently by Peter David (who had written X-Factor), who made Jamie a private detective in mutant town. His investigation company is called X-Factor.

The mini-series led to an ongoing X-Factor series, which stars Jamie and his company, some of whom (Guido and Wolfsbane) were from Jamie’s X-Factor days, and some other mutants are new acquaintances.

Here’s my pal Pete (who had him #1 on his list) to try to explain Madrox’s appeal…

Why do I like Jamie Madrox?

Well for starters I see a fair bit of myself in him, In looks AND personality, more than any other Marvel character. An intelligent, good looking guy (what!?) who wants to do the right thing, but can occasionally act like a goofy child.

Under Peter David’s pen particularly, he’s the likable everyman with a unique and increasingly complicated power that produces a whole range of stories, and varies quandaries and dilemmas. Does he ruin the lives of a mother and son by re-absorbing a dupe who’s gotten married? What to DO!?

Then you have the dupes themselves, all the different aspects of Jamies personality, not all of them nice, not all of them heroic, but none of them dull.

Then you have the girls, the ladies seem to quite like The Multiple Man, with that name taking on a quite different meaning when he (or was it a dupe?) had a one night stand with M.

That aspect of Madrox is obviously pure wish fulfillment.

So basically, to me, Jamie Madrox is the most interesting character in the MU and the reason X-Factor is always at the top of my read pile every week.

Thanks, Pete!

18. Shadowcat (Kitty Pryde) – 427 points (9 first place votes)

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Kitty Pryde was created by John Byrne and Chris Claremont, and she first appeared right at the beginning of the Dark Phoenix Saga. She was a new student at the X-Men, and since she was much younger than the rest, she worked as a POV character for the readers.

Kitty was a nice, bright Jewish girl from Chicago who had the ability to phase through objects. She was quite down-to-Earth, and soon became a fan favorite.

Kitty began a relationship with her teammate, Colossus, which ended it heartbreak for Kitty. After serving with the X-Men for a number of years (and bonding with almost all her teammates, most notably with basically her surrogate mother, Storm, and her surrogate father, Wolverine – who trained her in the ways of the samurai), even finally getting a cool name – Shadowcat – Kitty was injured during a battle, and was separated from the rest of the X-Men.

During this time, the X-Men were believed dead – leaving Kitty to start a new group in England, along with her fellow wounded X-Man, Nightcrawler. The two helped found Excalibur, where Kitty stayed as a member for the next number of years (in fact, correct me if I’m off here, but I believe Kitty actually was a member of Excalibur longer than she was originally with the X-Men. Is that right? It’s like, 1980-88 for X-Men, and 88-98 for Excalibur, right?), even forming her next major romantic relationship with Peter Wisdom, a gritty English operative.

The two split, and so did Excalibur, leading Kitty back to the X-Men. After the apparent death of Colossus, Kitty took some time off, but was brought back to the X-men by Cyclops, and she was reunited with the not-so-dead-after-all Colossus. The two got back together, and that’s where we are right now.

Here’s CBR poster, KittyPryde (who else could I have picked?) to explain why she had Kitty #1 on her list…

When Kitty Pryde debuted in Uncanny X-Men #129 back in January 1980 there wasn’t much in the way of teen hero(ine)s: Spider-Man had already grown up and found his way. The Avengers and the Fantastic Four were well-established. The original X-Men were either senior members of the team or had moved on to other groups. The new replacement X-Men (Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Banshee, Colossus, etc.) were all older and somewhat adept at using their skills. The “New Mutants” title was still slightly over 3 years away (and probably owes a bit of gratitude for even being published to the response that Kitty received in showing that there was a fan interest in seeing young mutants grow up and learn to use their powers).

So when Kitty debuted as a 13.5 year old, she was something fairly unique at the time being that she was just a fraction of the age of most other big leaguers in the major books. If you were in your late-kid-to-teen years during the 80’s you couldn’t help but feel a sense of camaraderie with her and her growing pains. If you were a girl, you wanted to either be like
Kitty or wished she was your real life best friend. If you were a boy, you either wanted to date her or at least wished she lived down the street to build you a computer. Cute, but not overly striking, she has always been the perfect stereotypical “girl next door” (but with some pizzazz) along with a touch of “nerd” thrown in for balance.

She doesn’t have flashy offensive powers (although, granted, she can use her defensive phasing ones in some brutal offensive applications if she chooses) and is a fair balance of femininity and tom-boy. She’s incredibly well-spoken, smart, and witty, with a strong moral compass who knows when to follow diplomacy and when to speak her mind. Readers, like me, who prefer
characterization-focused (rather than action-focused) stories couldn’t ask to see a finer character every month (although, admittedly it takes a good writer who emphasizes dialog to be able to use her correctly).

Kitty’s heart is her biggest attribute. She’ll give you her all in a loving and caring manner. A reluctant hero who’d really rather be leading a more normal life, she’s answered the “with great power comes great responsibility” call to arms. When the pressure is on and it’s do-or-die, she has the grit and gumption to step up and do whatever it takes at any personal cost to see the plan come to fruition and the good guys win. I couldn’t ask for anything more, and thus she’s been my long-time running #1 character in all of comic-dom.

Thanks, Catherine!!

17. Deadpool – 443 points (13 first place votes)

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Created by Rob Liefeld and Fabian Nicieza in one of the last issues of New Mutants before the book became X-Force, Wade Wilson, Deadpool, is known as “the merc with a mouth,” as he is a highly sought-after mercenary who, well, talks a lot.

Deadpool is a funny guy, and thanks to Joe Kelly, he had one of the funniest comics of the late 90s, especially the issue where Kelly had Deadpool go back in time to an early issue of Amazing Spider-Man, leaving Deadpool to mock the characters, MST3K-style. Classic stuff.

More recently, Deadpool had begun a forced partnership with Cable, although Cable’s apparent death has led to Deadpool now being at a crossroads in his life.

Here is Tom McKenna on why he thinks Deadpool is tops…

Put Bugs Bunny, Wolverine and Dennis Miller in a blender and what would you get? A bloody mess, probably?

But if you could create a character who had Bugs’ sense of the ridiculous (and his ability to break the fourth wall), Wolverine’s healing factor, and Dennis Miller’s ability to create gut-busting comedy out of semi-obscure pop culture references you might end up with something resembling Deadpool.

A well written comic with Deadpool as a central character is a captivating event here just about anything is possible, and many of the clichés of superhero comics go out the window. Outlandish moments like Deadpool cross-dressing in a Marvel Girl outfit, Deadpool firing a sheep-gun, Deadpool wielding Thor’s hammer or Deadpool being decapitated by Wolverine are all within the realm of possibilities.

And yet for all of the humor, Deadpool is a horrible human being who is often miserable. He tries to make himself a better person, and often fails. And occasionally, we get to see a glimmer of hope that one day Deadpool may actually overcome all of his despicable tendencies and become the hero we know he can be.

Deadpool will never suit everyone’s taste, and that?s what also part of what makes him special to his die-hard fans. Chimichanga!

Thanks, Tom!

16. Beast – 456 points (8 first place votes)

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Hank McCoy was an original member of the X-Men (so he was created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby), and he was a classic case of not judging a book by its cover, as the gigantic, well, beast of a man was actually one of the smartest person anyone could know.

It was his smarts that led to Hank becoming the first X-Man to actually leave the nest, and take a job working as a scientist. Sadly, some evildoers messed with Hank, turning him into an even MORE of a beast, making him look blue and furry and ape-like.

Undeterred, Hank kept on keeping on, and even joined the Avengers, where suddenly he was no longer an outcast, allowing his jocular side to really take over. Here he was, a blue-skinned “freak,” but since he was a member of the Avengers, people loved him! He embraced this role for many years, until he took leave of the Avengers and tried out leading a superhero team – the Defenders.

It did not go so well, even though Hank enlisted two of his old friends, co-founding X-Men Angel and Iceman.

Later, he reunited with the other members of the original X-Men to form X-Factor, where Beast stayed a member of until the team rejoined the X-Men en masse. That is where Hank has been, basically ever since.

Fairly recently, Hank further mutated, now looking more like a cat than an ape.

He is currently searching frantically for a cure to Scarlet Witch’s “no more mutants” proclamation, which has left the world with no more mutants at all – possibly striking down the future of the mutant race!!

Here is why Philip Trostler had the Beast #1…

Hank McCoy is one of those characters who stands out among the untouchable Supermen or Wolverines of the comic book universe. Originally, his power was that his hands and feet were extraordinarily big. Somehow this enlargement of limbs enabled him to perform feats of superhuman agility and strength. Compared to a hero who was bitten by a radioactive spider, came from another planet, or even trained himself to being a model of human perfection, McCoy’s powers seemed somewhat realistic, at least to a 10 year old child.

In the mid 1990’s, when the X-Men were at the height of their mainstream popularity, I was just starting to collect comics. Aside from picking up whatever the newest book was, I would always try to find some book that reprinted older Marvel comics. I believe it was originally Professor Xavier and The X-Men, which introduced me to the human-looking Beast. The novelty of learning that Cyclops, Iceman, Angel, and Jean Grey were the original X-Men was something that didn’t wear out for a while, but then there was the Beast, who just didn’t look anything like the Beast I knew from X-Men: The Animated Series. This Beast was just some stocky guy with glasses who was really good at gymnastics. Nonetheless, he steals the show in those early Stan Lee X-men issues. His dry sense of humor, overbearing intellect, combined with such crazy escapades like quitting the X-Men to become a pro wrestler are just entertaining as hell.

It probably took me discovering the Beast of the Avengers for him to become my overall favorite. Somehow, between the 60’s and 70’s, the Beast had lost any semblance of a human appearance and had become a blue ape. It’s during this era that the Beast’s personality really started to come out and shine. He became the Avengers’ resident joker/lothario and when he was later combined with Wonder Man, the laughs just kept coming. The X-Men and Avengers (with all due respect to the Fantastic Four) were always the two big teams in the Marvel Universe and the fact that the Beast fit in so well in each one just shows how multi-layered his character is.

Unfortunately, except for a few entertaining stories (his de-evolving in X-Factor, some of Morrison’s work), the Beast for the most part peaking with the Avengers. Later writers seem to focus too much on his intellect and not enough on his sense of humor. Whenever he’s not pigeonholed as the doctor of the group, he’s usually in his prime. And don’t even get me started on his cat-like appearance. But nonetheless, I’d be hard pressed to think of anyone else in the Marvel Universe that I could follow from book to book always being entertained, always caring, always loving it.

Thanks, Philip!

More characters tomorrow!

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I don’t want to do it, but being the first is too great a temptation.

Madrox? Him?

Very surprised that Madrox placed this high. Did not expect that even though his character and his abilities has incredible potential that is only beginning to be explored by Peter David. Unfortunately, it seems like Jamie is doomed to fall back into obscurity if X-Factor gets cancelled in the midst of the big X-Universe shake up that is set to happen.

I love Madrox,but I’d never guess he’d score higher than Jean.

I like Madrox a lot, too. Have ever since the Fallen Angels mini back in the 80s. But other than with Peter David on X-factor, he’s been a C-list character at best. Out of Marvel’s 40+ years of current continuity, I wouldn’t consider him in the top 20.

Karl 'Melonhead' Harris

September 21, 2007 at 3:07 am

Madrox has taken a massive step forward lately.

Heck, his T-shirt is rapidly becoming Iconic. (I think back to the recent ES one-shot). He also has a huge following on the CBR X-boards so I can’t say I’m too surprised at being this high. I see it as a glowing endorsement of PAD’s excellent work on this run so far.

Feeling the Madrox love. I found this website to late to put in a top ten and I don’t know if he would have made it anyway but still a good choice.

To me the real question, five x characters today?

Wow and there are still a lot of Xers who could make it. Could be in intresting 15-11.

I was wondering if Jamie would make it or not, I am pleasantly surprised. He was my #1 Marvel vote and I am glad to see that I am in such good company especially that ten others love him as much as I do..

Hank didn’t get that way thanks to “evildoers.” He got that way because he drank a serum of his own invention.

Welcome to the Top 50 Favorite Marvel X-Characters. Sheesh.

I’m still regretting that I didn’t vote for Deadpool instead of one of the really obscure characters on my list. Ah, well, sin in haste, repent at leisure.

And I’m very glad to see Jamie in there, even though I didn’t vote for him.

Yep. Today is the X-edition. We probably all figured we’d have more mutants as we got higher in the count. It’ll even out as we hit the top-10.

Quick trivia: Since y’all love Madrox so much, what was his first appearance?

Can’t give you an issue number, but it was Fantastic Four. He thought the Thing, and did surprisingly well.

Yay, Kitty! I have to admit, over the years she’s had more than her share of Mary Sue-ism (professional dancer/computer whizz/ninja/superheroine/wielder of soul sword/has a pet space dragon etc.) but I can’t help liking Kitty Pryde. First off, we’re both called Katherine, with the same Shakespearian spelling, which is cool. Mostly though, I like Kitty because apart from the whole ninja/dancer/computer whizz/superheroine thing, Kitty is, in terms of personality, as close to a normal girl as you usually get in a superhero book. She never tries to be cool or badass, she just tries her best to live through stuff. Finally, she was the inspiration behind ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’…and that’s awesome.

The list is now being overrun with X-characters! And come of the more popular ones are yet to show! I hope there’s room in top spots for some of the non-mutants…

5 X-related characters? Hum, but now the only ones who have yet to show are Nightcrawler, Cyclops, Magneto and Wolverine (unless Sinister ranks that high, which i think is unlikely). Is great to see Beast (who got a vote from me) rank that high, i imagined he would be somewhere around 21-30.

I’m terribly worried now that my #1 Marvel Character didn’t rank.

(in fact, correct me if I’m off here, but I believe Kitty actually was a member of Excalibur longer than she was originally with the X-Men. Is that right? It’s like, 1980-88 for X-Men, and 88-98 for Excalibur, right?)

That’s pretty close…in fact you were a little generous on your original Uncanny run, unless you count a lone appearance there in ’88 a year later as being part of it. The basic Kitty timeline is as follows:

Uncanny #129 (Jan ’80) – Uncanny #215 (Mar ’87). In #215 she is taken to Muir Island as a dissipating “ghost” who’s about to die after getting harpooned with energy during the Mutant Massacre. At that point her story breaks off into the 4-issue mini Fantastic Four vs X-Men (Mar – Jun ’87) where Reed Richards & Dr Doom save her from the dissipating condition.

She does appear again in Uncanny #227 (3/88) but its just while she’s still on Muir Island finishing her recovery and she sees the rest of X-Men on TV “die” in Dallas (which then kicks off the Outback Era). So 7 or 8 years and 87 or 99 issues (depending on how you view that year gap at the end).

Excalibur then runs from the “Sword Is Drawn” one-shot (May ’88) to become a regular series with #1 (Oct ’88) – #125 (Oct ’98)…so 10 years and 125 issues; definitely longer than the original Uncanny run.

As soon as Excalibur ends, she rejoins the X-Men (mainly in New/Adjectiveless). Starts in Uncanny #360 and New/Adjectiveless #80 (both Oct ’98). She stays in New/Adjectiveless through #110 (Mar ’01).

Then off to school away from the X-Men life; Mekanix mini #1-6 (Dec ’02 – May ’03). Then gets sucked back in after getting kidnapped by Lady Deathstrike & Rev. Stryker and pretty much sticks around: Xtreme X-Men #25 (Jul ’03) – #46 (June ’04). Then off to Whedon’s Astonishing (Jul’ 04 – present).

So if you add the back-end post-Excalibur stuff, she’s been in the core books more than Excalibur. But Excalibur is certainly the longest most-consistent run for her.

The Beast is my #10 pick on the Marvel list.
Really, he’s a simple character– a genius in the body of a brute. But simple can be a lot of fun. When the ‘Astonishing’ X-men made a guest appearance in Cable Deadpool, I enjoyed drawing the Beast more than any other character. That’s an impression I’ve gotten when seeing him in other books, too– that artists like Perez and Byrne and Neal Adams enjoyed drawing the Beast. That enjoyment carries over to the reader. The Beast has been a bright spot in his books, furry or not, X-men or Avenger, for years.

Madrox first appearance: Giant Size Fantastic Four #4 (seventies-ish, I think?) The FF found him living “by himself” on his parent’s farm, or something.

Didn’t vote for Madrox, but almost did. Surprised he ranked this high-definitely a testament to Peter David’s recent work with him; before that, no way he’d appear on this list, let alone this high up.

Now, >fingers crossed

Madrox is a surprise, but not an unwelcome one. I imagine much of his popularity is coming out of his recent miniseries and X-Factor, both of which have fleshed out and deepened his character immensely.

These are all very solid choices, although seeing Jean at this point makes me a bit doubtful about whether or not my preferred Phoenix/Marvel Girl will make the list (I’d be thrilled if Rachel turned out to be more popular than Jean, but I don’t really see it happening).

And boy did I forget how much of a Madureira clone Roger Cruz used to be. I was positive that Beast cover was Mad’s work until I saw the signature.

I thought Jean was killed by Xorn?

Yeah, but we didn’t know that until the post-Morrison creators retconned the Magneto-Pretending-To-Be-Xorn to Xorn-Pretending-To-Be-Magento-Prentending-To-Be-A-Different-Xorn. Or something.

It’s all a big mess, and I try not to think about it.

I am thrilled with how well Madrox did on the list! He’s one of those characters that may not bring a book to the top 10 with a cameo appearance, but its hard to step into a group of comic book readers and not find a die-hard fan. X-Factor is amazing and its good to know a lot of other people think so, too.

Anyway, its cool to see so many X-Characters back-to-back, even if the only one I voted for was Jamie (9th). Cool stuff.

Very interesting to see Madrox this high up. Says alot of what Marvel, and more specifically PAD, have done with the character over the past couple of years.

Also nice to know that Cyke is in at least the top fifteen. :)

X-cellent. Sorry, had to. All decent choices, and a testament against the people (Quesada) who say that Avengers are Marvel’s major franchise.

Reading those recaps of the X-Men’s histories only served to remind me why I dropped all the mutant titles years ago, right around the time Psychlocke turned Japanese.

So happy to see Jamie ranked this highly! He’s been one of my favourites for many years, now (Since PAD’s original X-Factor run). I didn’t think that he’d rank this highly (he was in my top 3), but its awesome that he did. Everything PAD has done with him in the last few years, with the mini and the new series is obviously reaching a wider audience. I am feeling the Madrox love!

By the way, I’ve been doing a little number crunching on the Countdown, alternating between the two lists. (The current one is on the DC 20-16 list.

I thought Psylocke turned Korean. It doesn’t make much of a difference to the absurdity of it all, though. I so don’t miss the hosed up X-stories. I cut the whole line loose around X-Men #325. I just couldn’t take it anymore. Reading the synopsis from then ’till now confirms that I did the right thing.

Cyclops, ugh. I know, I know, he’s the iconic X-Man, which is part of the reason I dislike him so much. (The other parts have largely to do with his treatment of the women in his life, but I’ll spare you that rant for once. :) ) The gang listed here are much more to my taste.

So who’ve we got left that’s about guaranteed a spot? Cyclops, Ben ‘The Thing’ Grimm, Wolverine, Spidey, Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, the Silver Surfer, Daredevil, probably Magneto, Nightcrawler and Professor X…not going to be a real surprising list from here on in, is it?

I don’t think Cyclops is gonna make it, actually.

I realise that everybody else from Astonishing X-Men has, so I could be wrong. There seem to be well over 15 obvious omissions though and many I’d put money on over Cyclops.

Captain America will be there.Dr.Doom should be too.I’m getting a wee bit concerned about Dr.Strange though.

I’ve still only seen 3 from my list: Vision, Warlock and Thanos.

I have 3 more I’m sure will still make it. And one I assume will make it, but I’m beginning to wonder.

The other 3… ah well.

Dr. Strange will make the list no problem. He’s a favourite among older fans, plus he’s in New Avengers now and had the recent Vaughn mini which was popular.

I’m surprised no one is saying ‘Deadpool!? Really?’

Just for the reason he’s a Liefeld creation.

Deadpool rocks IMO.

As does Madrox. If you’re not reading X-Factor you’re missing out.

Joe Kelly’s enjoyably take on Deadpool, and the humorous takes of those to follow, allowed people to forget the… shall we say, circumstances of his creation.

I figure Cyclops is a shoe-in, if only because I don’t want to live in a world in which he’s less popular than Gambit.

And, in a spirit of insane optimism, I’m still hoping Jubilee will make it. That’s hoping, not expecting.

It will be interesting to see this poll conducted on yearly basis and look at how “favorites” will change over time. For example, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Jamie Madrox would not have made the top 50 if this poll was taken prior to the Peter David mini-series and X-Factor re-launch.

Well, Gambit was my #1 and he hasn’t made it yet – does this mean that the Ragin’ Cajun is in the top 15! W00T! Forget that momma’s boy Cyclops or even the usuals like Wolverine or Iron Man, Gambit is the one to bet on!

Umm… Gambit was number 41….

Like that post…

I hate to burst your bubble, Rob, but Gambit was #41.

Deadpool is an internet favorite…from Joe Kelly’s great run, to Priest’s incosistent, then brilliant Super Villain sitcom run, to the current Niceazian goodness, net fans just dig him.

(which shows the disconnect between what the net likes and what the general buying audience likes).

“Hank didn’t get that way thanks to “evildoers.” He got that way because he drank a serum of his own invention. ”
As with the Punisher I think someone is using the “Ultimate” stories.

I do it as well, totally forgetting to put Beast in my top 10, but I think it is fascinating that fandom seperates X-characters and the rest of the Marvel universe. I think this was helped a great deal by Harras in the mid-90s by making everything X-men and not-X-men, but still its odd. X-fans rally around their faves and ‘traditionalists’ decry the placing of “X-characters”. An interesting phenomenon.

I think Madrox’s placing is very interesting, very similar to Animal Man’s placing on the DC top 50. A really high rank from a pretty obscure character mostly due entirely to one writer.

Heh. I was about to argue that Madrox was moderately popular long before the current X-Factor, but then I remembered that was mostly down to the All-New, All-Different X-Factor, as initially written by Peter David.

Jean Grey? Really? Meh.

Goes to show that some characters don’t even need to have a proper personality to be popular.

As opposed to Cyclops, who, last I saw, doesn’t have anything resembling a personality, AND is expected to be in the top 15 by many.

But my recent exposure to him if through HoM, Civil War & WWH crossovers.

Today’s boring list just proves to me that I’m not missing much from the recent output from Marvel.

Mutants…………. *yawn*

Both Kitty and Beast were a good deal higher halfway through, and both fell backwards quite a bit (I mean, like, from 7th and 11th to here).

One character, in particular, surprised me by rising from, like, 30th to, like, 9th.

I had Kitty, Beast and Madrox in my Top 10. I’m fairly certain I had Madrox at #2.

But he’s been my #2 for more than a decade. I had no idea that many other people liked him. I guess I just didn’t realize how much his recent exposure had bolstered him.

Oh, and I HATE Deadpool. I’m surprised he made it this high as well.

Kitty was my number 1. Glad to see Madrox and Deadpool even though they didn’t quite make my list.

YEAH! The X-Men are finnaly in like I expected! Despite this rush of X-Men, not one of my favorites has made it. LOL.

“X-fans rally around their faves and ‘traditionalists’ decry the placing of “X-characters””

I don’t know what it’s like for other people, but I just can’t give a crap about any of the X-characters. I bought many an X-title back in the day and recently read the entire Morrison run and I still just never care about what happens to any of them. For some reason, they just never resonate with me.

I want to like what lots of other people like. But I just don’t get it.

*pats Da Fug consolingly* There, there…I don’t get pretty much the entire JLA, ‘cepting Batman and maybe Martian Manhunter, so I know exactly how you feel.

Actually, I’m finding that’s one of the most fascinating things about this list; how a character that means the world to one fan lands with a hollow *klunk* in the brain of another.

How could I miss Gambit being at #41!?! I feel a little silly – sorry about that. I bet he still beat Cyclops though!

Well I can write the same thin here I did in the DC comments-

Well, I’ve only seen 2 of my top ten so far–does that mean the other 8 are in the top 15?

Probably not, but I should see a couple of them at least.

Well, Jean’s a favorite of mine and I’m glad to see her in the top 20 – but she was beat by Madrox and Deadpool? And it looks like Cyclops is going to top her as well? That is just…odd. Last Summer the X-Boards did a big top 50 X-Men similar to this and the top five went (from number one to five): Nightcrawler, Rogue, Shadowcat, Jean Grey and Cyclops. Rogue placed much lower in this and Beast (and presumably Cyclops and Wolverine) are going to be above Shadowcat and Jean Grey.

Nightcrawler won with just one first place vote. He’s just a generally liked character I guess. It will be interesting to see how high he ranks in this.

All solid choices, though Wade Wilson is way too low. I blame Marvel for not trading more of the Kelly run and people being afraid to try Nicieza’s Cable/Deadpoool series.

Well, Jean’s a favorite of mine and I’m glad to see her in the top 20 – but she was beat by Madrox and Deadpool? And it looks like Cyclops is going to top her as well? That is just…odd. Last Summer the X-Boards did a big top 50 X-Men similar to this and the top five went (from number one to five): Nightcrawler, Rogue, Shadowcat, Jean Grey and Cyclops. Rogue placed much lower in this and Beast (and presumably Cyclops and Wolverine) are going to be above Shadowcat and Jean Grey.

Nightcrawler won with just one first place vote. He’s just a generally liked character I guess. It will be interesting to see how high he ranks in this.

Remember, that list was done with about 80 ballots cast.

This one has had almost six HUNDRED cast.

In addition, if you’re told you HAVE to pick an X-Men character, folks like Kitty and Rogue will make most lists. If you can pick ANY Marvel character, then not so much.

Vincent Paul Bartilucci

September 22, 2007 at 4:05 pm

Lost interest in the X-Men decades ago so 20-16 are a bust for me. In fact, this portion of the list actually contains my #1 least favorite Marvel character and one of the reasons I stopped reading the X-Titles.

The only X-character who made my personal Top Ten was Banshee. I wonder if he’ll still appear? :-)

… no, I’m not serious …

Madrox is out of the blue for me. If I didn’t happen to get the solo Madrox TPB that Peter David did really cheap on eBay I’d never have even heard of the character. That said it’s an excellent TPB so I’m happy to see Madrox here.

Awesome stuff. I’m glad to see them all do so well, especially Madrox and Kitty, but it never ceases to amaze me how popular Beast is. I like ‘im, but he’s waaayyy down the list of X-characters for me. I’m expecting it’s a real longshot that Wolfsbane and Rictor are going to make it now. I was hoping they’d make some lists next to Madrox. Most of the rest of mine are going to make the top 50, I think. I’m probably the only person who voted for MJ and edged Spidey off the list, so that’s not too bad. Hawkeye and Wolverine still remain.

Deadpool rocks

Despite what Ian said, it wasn’t just the Ultimate version– Hank McCoy did turn furry after drinking a formula of his own invention. It was in Amazing Adventures # 11. I have that issue, which is shocking, because I’m poor and I never spend very much for any single book. Somehow I managed to find that one for a quarter. It had the original price crossed out with a black marker, which is why I assume it had no value. But it was a great deal because the cover art and the interior pages are all in good shape.

I’m horribly shocked that Kitty ranked so low.

I quit reading marvel when deadpool appeared. Still haven’t recovered.

Josh is an idiot!!!!

Deadpoool nananananana

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